Happy birthday Kurt cobain 1967-1994

[The Waking Child]

Originally Posted by Cobain

Talk about someone who knows nothing about music. You are perhaps the most ignorant person I've ever met. But to say that you're alone in those sentiments is false. There are alot of "Nirvana-haters" out there that simply won't accept the fact that he inspired a generation as well as countless bands during and several years after there success & demise.

Am I ignorant or just not blinded by popular culture overrating the man and the band one thousand times beyond their actual worth.

I do not deny his influence, but face it, Cobain didn't do ANYTHING in terms of musical innovation like others that "died tragically."

Quarthon died of heart related problems, and he pioneered black metal.
Chuck Schuldiner helped pioneer death metal, and he died from brain stem cell cancer.
Jimmy Hendrix died from a drug overdose and helped pioneer electric guitar playing.

I could go on naming artists that did much more for music, than inspire a few bands to play because they got popular.

INSPIRATION OF SHITTY BANDS LIKE THE MAJORITY OF THE GRUNGE MOVEMENT WAS DOES NOT MEAN ANYTHING!

[Maridia]

Well I'm posting a day late for his birthday sorry.

Well I personally am a moderate fan of Nirvana. I don't have any of their cd's but I like some of the stuff they did, when I hear it on the radio. As much as I don't like a fair amount of it, I do recognize that the music he wrote did inspire many people to come. I can see where many would complain about how what he did was nothing. True he was popular for a few years and suddenly he was gone. I think he was talented and he did inspire. I don't like some of the bands he did inspire, but that's besides that point. The point was that he was a true musician, he wanted to express himself. As for the whole being blown out of preportion I do agree to a point. Nirvana was a very popular band, so they would have lived on in name regardless. They were very good in what they accomplished, but his death only sparked their names into legendary status. Anytime a star dies in their peak they will always be #1 to many. So in the end I think that he was talented and good. Not the best in my opinion, but true, he did revolutionize music, which he will forever be a star for.

[hellbred]

I'm not a fan of Kurt, or Nirvana. Although i enjoyed several of their songs, and still do... i never listened to them religously or bought any of their music.

But i will agree with the statement that Nirvana and/or Cobain inspired many musicians and bands during and after his life. Plus it's kind of cool that that Kurt Cobain commitee are still doing things in his honor. I thought i heard they were building a park and a youth center after him.

[Leroy]

Haha.

I totally love what David's saying. He's said it better then I ever could. Kobain is overrated, and a coward. The fact that he gives more recognition for being dead, then the band did with him alive? Well that just states the obvious. They were a crap band, that attracted most of Its listeners after his suicide. Why? Cause people love that shit. They were a lousy band, and I'm glad he' dead.

Arguably the best grunge band ever. And yeah, Alice in Chains does kick their asses, no doubt.

[Wrath]

Jet- "Alice In Chains, like Johnny Cash, were better than EVERYTHING."
Hahah

David- Hell yeah. Where the HELL'S all the Schuldiner worship?
Hendrix gets the recognition he deserves, and Quorthon just gets the minority recognition he would have wanted. Poor Chuck.

Originally Posted by Cobain

Overrated, I don't think so, you're an extreme minority that says that, considering nearly every magazine, periodical, or online list of greatest songs ever always has that song somewhere in the list.

This entire paragraph nearly made me choke to death laughing.

[Akira]

Originally Posted by Cobain

Overrated, I don't think so, you're an extreme minority that says that, considering nearly every magazine, periodical, or online list of greatest songs ever always has that song somewhere in the list.

Ummm, didn't you just completely legitimise his claim with that statement? He said that the whole thing was overrated meaning that all sorts of medias supported/elevated it beyond its actual status. Saying that nearly every magazine, etc. has it on their list only strengthens his arguement.

I too am going to have to say that I believe them to be overdone in referrance to musical talent. Alright, they were pretty good but definitely not an elite musical god-like force that fans make them out to be. And despite what anybody says, it WAS due to the death that everything was so overrated. Who knows if Elvis and Bob Marley would have been successful had they not died the way they did?

Presley for instance WAS already famous while he was alive but not to the extent that he is today. He is most probably the earliest example of such a "tragic" death that exploded into mass fanaticism for a musician.

[Jin]

Once again, I must laugh at the people that elevate entertainers so much higher than other people on this planet. He played music, that's it. He didn't do anything great. He entertained and got payed; nothing more.

[Omega]

Originally Posted by Samurai Kenji I

Ummm, didn't you just completely legitimise his claim with that statement? He said that the whole thing was overrated meaning that all sorts of medias supported/elevated it beyond its actual status. Saying that nearly every magazine, etc. has it on their list only strengthens his arguement.

I too am going to have to say that I believe them to be overdone in referrance to musical talent. Alright, they were pretty good but definitely not an elite musical god-like force that fans make them out to be. And despite what anybody says, it WAS due to the death that everything was so overrated. Who knows if Elvis and Bob Marley would have been successful had they not died the way they did?

Presley for instance WAS already famous while he was alive but not to the extent that he is today. He is most probably the earliest example of such a "tragic" death that exploded into mass fanaticism for a musician.

So what everyone is saying here is that if someone or thing becomes famous, then its technically overrated? Since many magazines, online sites, etc, all think it's one of the best songs ever, it's overrated because the masses think it's that good. That's called contradiction, because it doesn't make sense.

It's like what David is saying about "I'm ignorant because I don't agree with the Public Media". That's exactly how Kurt felt to, you actually sound like him, he didn't want all the spotlight and iconism that he had. He was a very private person. But what happened is that everyone listened to the music, then started to like it, and the bands fanbase grew. With that said, should we consider the group bad because they are famous and the majority of people out there like them?

It's the stupidest thing David in this thread and Kurt Cobain himself thought. Of course people are going to like you if they think you make good music. WTF? What is the point in making music if you don't want people to like it? If it's really good Kurt, more people are going to like it.

If Nirvana is overrated than so is the whole Final Fantasy series, since we all like it. Does anyone see the contradiction I'm pointing out to you? It's blatantly obvious.

[Leroy]

Originally Posted by Cobain

So what everyone is saying here is that if someone or thing becomes famous, then its technically overrated? Since many magazines, online sites, etc, all think it's one of the best songs ever, it's overrated because the masses think it's that good. That's called contradiction, because it doesn't make sense.

It's like what David is saying about "I'm ignorant because I don't agree with the Public Media". That's exactly how Kurt felt to, you actually sound like him, he didn't want all the spotlight and iconism that he had. He was a very private person. But what happened is that everyone listened to the music, then started to like it, and the bands fanbase grew. With that said, should we consider the group bad because they are famous and the majority of people out there like them?

It's the stupidest thing David in this thread and Kurt Cobain himself thought. Of course people are going to like you if they think you make good music. WTF? What is the point in making music if you don't want people to like it? If it's really good Kurt, more people are going to like it.

If Nirvana is overrated than so is the whole Final Fantasy series, since we all like it. Does anyone see the contradiction I'm pointing out to you? It's blatantly obvious.

You owe me 60 seconds, 60 seconds for reading that load of bullshit.

We don't give a shit about the masses. Or at least I don't. I'm saying they are a shit band, that the 'masses' like because their most appealing member commited suicide. Their talent is overrated, not Kobains death.

[Omega]

Originally Posted by Jet

You owe me 60 seconds, 60 seconds for reading that load of bullshit.

We don't give a shit about the masses. Or at least I don't. I'm saying they are a shit band, that the 'masses' like because their most appealing member commited suicide. Their talent is overrated, not Kobains death.

and you owe me 15 seconds, and you owe the rest of us money for pain and suffering of reading your crap and general stupidity.

It's ok, I know you're pissed, and you're pissed because you know I'm right and everyone of you staking a claim of they're popular so now they're not good, is retarted.

Your own comment has contradiction to, are you saying that people only like the band because he died? Is that everyone likes the people I previously mentioned? Do tragic deaths of overdoses and what not, make us like the bands more?

You can have whatever opinion you want, and you can act like trash during the whole thread. But you can't change the fact of the amount of fans, number of bands that were inspired by them, and there overall success.

go listen to some Oasis fag.

Lastly Alice In Chains is a good band, but they weren't that good, because Layne Staley couldn't get off the dope. You want to talk about drugged out low talent? Their Unplugged show was the first show they did in 3 years. Where was Alice In Chains is the real question.

Don't get me wrong, I love them, but damn, you need to get your facts straight. Plus lets state something else here, I don't see throngs of Alice In Chains or Layne Staley memorial threads on forums. In fact I never have, so I'm guessing while some of you as I've stated are "nirvana haters", perhaps since we don't see AIC threads, maybe they weren't as good as Nirvana? Or maybe they are to some of us who like grunge, but they're just not as good as Nirvana was?

Who knows, remember kids, don't be stupid and say stupid things like Jet has, it makes you look like an ass.

[Sasquatch]

Alright, you both owe me five dollars.

First off, Nirvana wasn't a terrible band. Great? No. Good? Sure. Overrated? Definitely. Because of Kurt Kerbang's "tragic death", they gained many times more fans than they could have ever hoped to have while they were together. Not that there's anything really wrong with that -- if anybody had died in their prime, they would end up getting more credit than they deserve.

So yes, Nirvana had some good stuff. And yes, they did inspire an entire generation of drugged-up garage bands -- take that as you will. But no, Nirvana wouldn't have nearly the fanbase it has now if it weren't for Kerbang's suicide.

[Leroy]

Haha. I'm not the idiot that likes Nirvana.

They're a crap band. Do you disagree with me when I say they wouldn't be as successful as they are if Kobain was still alive today? They'd be nothing. Their music wasn't all that innovative, and I don't see how Kobain dying revolutionised grunge. Yeah, people SAY It's because they were a talented band, but we all know It' really cause the idiot commited suicide.

[Wrath]

At first I was content to just idly berate you cobain, but christ, you're an idiot.
Your arguments are barely held together with the tiniest scrap of logic, and overwhelmingly biased. Also, trying to have an "Intelligent" argument and calling other people stupid, and THEN calling them a fag, does NOTHING on your part.

"Layne couldn't get off the dope"
....And Kurt couldn't get off heroin, what's your point?
"I dont see throngs of AIC appreciation threads, so that must mean you're all Nirvana haters"
I hope a ****ing crab lays eggs in your stomach.
Leave the forum.

[Leroy]

Originally Posted by Sardonic Wrath

At first I was content to just idly berate you cobain, but christ, you're an idiot.
Your arguments are barely held together with the tiniest scrap of logic, and overwhelmingly biased. Also, trying to have an "Intelligent" argument and calling other people stupid, and THEN calling them a fag, does NOTHING on your part.

"Layne couldn't get off the dope"
....And Kurt couldn't get off heroin, what's your point?
"I dont see throngs of AIC appreciation threads, so that must mean you're all Nirvana haters"
I hope a ****ing crab lays eggs in your stomach.
Leave the forum.

Amen. And Cobain, what the **** does Alice In Chains not having appreciation threads and hating Nirvana, have to do with anything? I don't hate Nirvana, I just feel as though their fame is bullshit. Why? I'll say it again for you. They are overrated, and all because Cobain commited suicide. Don't call me a fag just because I don't worship that poor excuse of a man you call Kurt Cobain