Religions - Your Opinion

Gypsy Elder · 11-06-2009, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Muramasa89

Sorry, but you was the one who started bitching about my opinion. If you can't handle someone stating an opinion then it's best you shut your mouth. I'm not bitching at people with different views, as I said it is just when they fling their crap at you and expect you to eat it up. I'm not going to bother replying to the rest of your rubbish. An opinion is an opinion, which isn't going to change with me either. I didn't come for an argument.

Dude, if you're not going to back up what you say, and rather tell people to shut their mouths every time someone quotes you, then don't post in ID. I know why people come and express their religious views that's fine, I have no problem with people wanting to save me. I don't think it makes a big difference either, but that doesn't mean I don't hear them out from time to time. It may not change my views,I've said this, but it doesn't mean I despise them for believing in something different.

So what, you don't like it when non atheist, try and prove there is a god, but it's okay for you to prove that their isn't?

Everyone thinks they're right, you probably think you're right, so don't say do don't like when people try to prove what they believe in.

I could say I don't like when atheist are ignorant and think everyone else are idiots for beliveing in something. But oh wait, I've actually listened to an atheist views before. I found it interesting, didn't change my mind, but I could understand why they think that way.

My friend is atheist, and I don't "hate" the fact that he believes that their is no god nor does he think I'm an idiot believing there is.

Maybe it's just cretin people that think that way... yeah that must be it.

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Originally Posted by Muramasa89

I find it sad that people can willingly force a belief upon people (I.E. Jahova Witnesses), and to be fair I believe you deserve all the hatred and insults you get by doing so. I also hate it when people actually try to prove Gods existance. How can you prove someone's faith? You cannot. Stop wasting your time, thinking you're right.

ziroth · 11-06-2009, 02:27 PM

Gypsy Elder---->wow i agree with every little thing you said and that just brightened my day. I think people have the right to say whta they want when they want and if someone wants to be a ignorant little punk and try to get there way or the highway than they should be shut up.[ Not that I'm suggesting anything]I believe there is a good and he loves us all and we are all his children. I mean i sometimes want to question it but i would never. I love god.

*Meier Link* · 11-06-2009, 02:37 PM

Ok I am just going to step back in here again and say, do not feed the trolls. I have taken care of this situation last night and Murasama privliges to ID have been removed for the time being. Any further derailment will be met with a warning.

Now with that said, get this topic back on track.

ziroth · 11-06-2009, 05:58 PM

sorry mister mod........
Well i have a question for everyone who takes a gander at this thread. What do you think of the old weird poeple that made the calender that says everyone will die on the year 2012? What do you think of there religion?What was there religion? What does it me to be a Pagan, mainly following in the rites of Wicca?

Alpha · 11-06-2009, 07:37 PM

Why do people equate paganism with Wicca? Paganism, broadly defined, is anything that you don't believe. Historically, and slightly more narrowly defined, is anything pre-Christian, which would include Aztec 'religion' (note that the entire concept of religion was constructed by Christians; before then 'religions' were systems that structured all of society, the world, and day-to-day life).

And I believe there is a thread about that 2012 doomsday thing somewhere. Go write about that there.

marf · 11-06-2009, 08:14 PM

i think who ever is worring about the world ending in 2012 is wasting there time

i dont believe that is going to happen

the aztec calender doesnt say anything about the world ending in 2012. the calender just ends in 2012 DEEEER

even if the world does end in 2012 what are you gonna do about it

just live life while you have it

Moogable · 11-06-2009, 10:16 PM

Well i have a question for everyone who takes a gander at this thread. What do you think of the old weird poeple that made the calender that says everyone will die on the year 2012?

Ummmm, what? Mayans have not said that we're all going to die in 2012. In fact there was recently an article that made its way through the net that stated that Mayans were getting rather Pissed that white people were spreading horsehockey doomsday stories about it. Naturally, I'm inclined to believe them.

What do you think of there religion?
TheIR religion is what they believe. Why does it matter what we think of it? Are you presuming that it's your place to pass judgement?

What was there religion?
If I remember correctly the mayans practiced paganistic (re: non-christian, as there was no christianity in that area at the time) polytheism, with elements of animism added. Animism is the concept that every animal has a spirit, I think, and that said spirits should be respected.

What does it me to be a Pagan, mainly following in the rites of Wicca?

Paganism != Wicca. It means that you aren't christian, nor muslim, jewish, buddhist, hindu, nor any other conventional religion. Most people seem to equate paganism with evil, since they don't worship the same God as most people (Re: chistians/jews/muslims). In fact Pagans have a rather large assortment of gods to choose from, depending on what they believe (there are Vast differences in beliefs from one pagan to another, you might want to read up on it)

Again, are you saying that we should judge pagans based on their highly personalized belief system? I'm not sure what point you were getting at with your post.

ziroth · 11-07-2009, 06:58 AM

I wasn't passing judgement I was just asking a simple question, and wondering about your opinions. I'm sorry.
It's a bit freaky tough how it just ends[ the calender].

How does one become a full fledged jew?

Josh_R · 11-07-2009, 09:02 AM

Ziroth I'm not quiet sure what you mean by full fledged jew, do you mean a jew that is strong in their beliefs or what...Cause full fledged jew to me just does not make sense...

Moogable · 11-07-2009, 09:28 AM

Conversion to Judaism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You might want to read this. That article discusses how to Officially convert to Judaism. However it's not necessary to formally convert in order to consider yourself a Jew. Just like it's not necessary to go to organized churches every sunday in order to be a Christian.

*Mistress Victoria* · 11-07-2009, 10:00 AM

And just like you don't have to sacrifice goats and small children and other miscellaneous things just to call yourself Nordic.

To me, religion is something meant for entertainment/something to believe in so that death isn't so boring. So I chose Norse mythology because it's the most interesting. ^_^

Alpha · 11-07-2009, 09:03 PM

Hey Sheena, I wasn't sure how serious you were being there (after all, I didn't realise people still practiced Norse mythology (is there a better term?) anymore), but I have a question.

How does one just 'choose' a religion? Is religion just a commodity on a supermarket shelf, where we pick the one that is the cheapest and most satisfying (least effort, greatest perceived spiritual benefits)?

I don't think we are able to rationally pick a religion. It's not a shop, it's an ultimate statement of how the universe is ordered, and can't be taken lightly (not saying you did this Sheena). Because no-one can actually prove their religion, how can we actually choose the 'best' one? Is it a case of finding the most 'believable'? The most compatible (with your other opinions), or the most humanistic? Is it just a matter of birth, and if anybody converts, it's more irrational than rational?

That last sentence is how I perceive it at least.

*Mistress Victoria* · 11-07-2009, 09:09 PM

Yes, I was serious. At least for me I can choose the one that best suits me, because I don't take it seriously.
If you take it seriously, it's impossible to just "pick and choose".

nix · 11-08-2009, 05:51 AM

And i choose the path of a Jedi for my religion, may the force be with you.

Reverend Red Mage · 11-08-2009, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Alpha

Hey Sheena, I wasn't sure how serious you were being there (after all, I didn't realise people still practiced Norse mythology (is there a better term?) anymore), but I have a question.

How does one just 'choose' a religion? Is religion just a commodity on a supermarket shelf, where we pick the one that is the cheapest and most satisfying (least effort, greatest perceived spiritual benefits)?

I don't think we are able to rationally pick a religion. It's not a shop, it's an ultimate statement of how the universe is ordered, and can't be taken lightly (not saying you did this Sheena). Because no-one can actually prove their religion, how can we actually choose the 'best' one? Is it a case of finding the most 'believable'? The most compatible (with your other opinions), or the most humanistic? Is it just a matter of birth, and if anybody converts, it's more irrational than rational?

That last sentence is how I perceive it at least.

This raises excellent questions that should be discussed. Does one really choose their own religion? If one is indoctrinated as a child, what causes the person to stick with it other than family tradition? Why does conversion really happen?

As an example, I was raised in a Roman Catholic household; not strict by any means, but we'd go to church every Saturday. For a while I was even an altar boy and the Chaplain Aide of my Boy Scout troop.

I'm not going to go into a deconversion story here, but I think that in most cases, 'picking' a religion doesn't happen; it's a matter of how you were raised. When people convert from one religion to another, I've found that it's usually out of confusion... these people don't really know what to believe, so they pick the religion that makes the most sense to them at the time. Whether said decision is rational or irrational? Also up for debate.

11-09-2009, 07:29 AM

I made my own belief system. It goes like this:

Trees are cool
The sky is cool
Outside is pretty when it rains
Children are the best people around
Cats are cooler than we
You have no excuse for being unhappy unless you were born on a rubbish tip in Mumbai or similar, so stop whining
Money is just money, don't hoard it - it can buy someone a roof or a flushing toilet, you know
Everyone has the right to their own faith and opinions unless they are directly harmful, it's about what gets you through the day sane
No God had anything to do with: MRI machines, defibrilators, comfy duvets; no God had anything to do with M-16's, nuclear weaponry, and Twitter
The sky will always be blue until the sun blows us up
So respect that shit and look after all of it because, here's the deal, your life actually DOES depend on it.

I'm not recruiting disciples right now, but you can apply anyway.

Faith is always a personal choice, even if you're raised a certain way. I was raised athiest, but I'm not crazy-athiest. I HATE EVANGELICALS. I don't care if you're Mormon or Muslim or athiest or what, just leave me be, thank you. I can make up my own mind.

I'm not a fan of organised religion. I really don't see why I should have to apologise to anyone for having pre-marital sex, thank you very much.

My opinion on religion can be summed up by these words: whatever gets you through the day.

SOLDIER #819 · 11-09-2009, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Reverend Red Mage

This raises excellent questions that should be discussed. Does one really choose their own religion? If one is indoctrinated as a child, what causes the person to stick with it other than family tradition? Why does conversion really happen? ...

My cousin converted. His family was not very religious, and neither was he, but part of our family is Jewish. I think our grandmother was shocked when she learned he had converted... haha.

If you asked why he converted, he would probably say it was some sort of divine inspiration. But it only started when he met his girlfriend and now wife, who seems to be quite a devout Christian herself. He loves her very, very, very much. When asked what he thought of a God who would send the rest of his family to Hell, he said, "Well, I don't know, but I think I'll be so happy in Heaven that I won't have to worry about it."

It seems like a matter of priorities and the like, to me. He loves his wife a lot and has very little attachment to his current religion, so he switched. It may be if you are presented with a religion that offers you "more" and doesn't go against every moral fiber in your body, there's a good chance you'll go for it. Yet, many people who have been brought into a particular religion from birth probably find it very familiar and comforting, and are content to stick with what they have.

I personally haven't belonged to any organized religion, though, so I wouldn't "really" know.

Unknown Entity · 11-25-2009, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Alpha

How does one just 'choose' a religion? Is religion just a commodity on a supermarket shelf, where we pick the one that is the cheapest and most satisfying (least effort, greatest perceived spiritual benefits)?

I don't think you can just choose a religion, but you can choose a path which might possibly follow a particular religion, therefore making you part of it. "Choosing" a religion isn't like choosing which clothes to wear in the morning. It's a massive decision which needs a lot of thought put into it.

I think that for a religion to be taken seriously, you'd need to of have been raised on it by your parents or school or whatever. Some people have turned to religion when something happens in their life which is either good (possibly love) or bad (illness or disease).

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Originally Posted by Alpha

Because no-one can actually prove their religion, how can we actually choose the 'best' one? Is it a case of finding the most 'believable'? The most compatible (with your other opinions), or the most humanistic? Is it just a matter of birth, and if anybody converts, it's more irrational than rational?

I was raised to be a Christian. A load of shit happened to make me question Christianity. What annoyed me was that when I put these questions forward to my teachers and even the vicar, I wasn't given a proper answer, which therefore lead to even more questions. Eventually, they stopped giving me answers because they got pissed that I was wasting their time I can imagine.

When I went to my secondary school, I hadn't heard of other religions because we were pretty much sheltered from it at my primary school. In my new class, I talked to the Muslim girls and asked about their religion. I must have asked too many questions again because they got pissy with me, leaving me saying: "I was only curious..."

Why, when religion is questioned, do people tend to back off and get defensive as if the curious people are trying to disprove or take a dig at the path this person has chosen? I know not everyone knows the answers - heck there might not even be a straight answer - but an opinion to me is as good as an answer. Everyone should be able to question their own religion, and form their own opinion of it instead of viewing it as how they're "supposed" to.

When it comes to converting to another religion, I believe it's something that requires a lot of thought and research. It's not possible to become a Christian* overnight.

*I used it as an example. Feel free to change it to whatever.

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Originally Posted by Govinda

I made my own belief system. It goes like this:

Trees are cool
The sky is cool
Outside is pretty when it rains
Children are the best people around
Cats are cooler than we
You have no excuse for being unhappy unless you were born on a rubbish tip in Mumbai or similar, so stop whining
Money is just money, don't hoard it - it can buy someone a roof or a flushing toilet, you know
Everyone has the right to their own faith and opinions unless they are directly harmful, it's about what gets you through the day sane
No God had anything to do with: MRI machines, defibrilators, comfy duvets; no God had anything to do with M-16's, nuclear weaponry, and Twitter
The sky will always be blue until the sun blows us up
So respect that shit and look after all of it because, here's the deal, your life actually DOES depend on it.

I'm not recruiting disciples right now, but you can apply anyway.

Sounds like my kinda belief system. Where do I sign?

Josh_R · 11-25-2009, 10:05 AM

Unknown you have a lot of good views and I support every single one of them...

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