Animal rights - protest gone too far?

[Jin]

Originally Posted by Sasquatch

Wow. I don't think I've ever met an environmentalist like that, that's awesome. Most are like Jintatsu here. I really respect that of you. And remember, this is me talking, you treehugging wacko.

How very tactful of you, not that I should expect any better. Not that it's really relevant, but what exactly are you basing it on that I don't agree with La Fée Verte as well?

Originally Posted by OnOneRyder

I am stating my opinions strongly as I believe them to be true. Humans have traveled to the moon, we can perform surgery on a living person’s brain with them awake at the time, and we’re capable of nuclear war. We're something special unlike anything else that has ever been seen on this planet and I do feel that I am superior to an animal who lives its life on instincts while I live mine from day to day.

And in your opinion that makes us superior, very well, but I don't fully agree. I agree that it makes us superior in intellect and sentience, but overall, I don't really think that makes us "superior", but you may have your opinion.

I don't believe in senseless animal torture and I don't condone mass slaughtering of animals for our consumption.

I don't understand your previous statement about the tortured guine pigs then.

[VIVI17]

that is so funny i mean so funny im dieing in a wired way u have to be stupid to do something like that

Originally Posted by Jintatsu

I don't understand your previous statement about the tortured guine pigs then.

I think he is trying to say that if you kill a lot of those piggy things than it is as equivelant to taking a human life. But in reality it isn't. As I tried to point out. Truth is, we have the brains to understand tourcher an pain on a completely different level. Not these animals. All they know is that they are going to die. Which is something everything in this world has to deal with inorder to progress. Humans an animals die everyday, it is a fact of life. An I would rather kill one animal to save thousands of people. Because no matter how many piggy things they may have killed. If they had found a cure, than the people that cure would save would turn out to be a much bigger number.

Well if you look at history, you will see that there are smart protests (Dr. King) and stupid protests (Malcom Little, or Malcom X as he is reffered). The stupid protesters didn't have much voice in their 'project' to create equality, however, Dr. King was smart and look at the US today, no segregation.

About animal rights, we as humans are still animals. Remember that while you read this-
In the jungle, the lion stalks it's prey, lets say a zebra, now does the lion care about the zebra? No. Now lets say that a panther trys to sway the lion away from the zebra, what does the lion do? Kill the panther, then kill the zebra. BUT the lion will only eat the zebra and not the panther. Why? Because it's survival of the fittest in the animal world.
Seeing as how we are at the top of the foodchain (at least last I checked), we have every right to do as we please to animals. I mean, a shark or alligator won't have any remorse for the animals, humans included, which they kill.


Now with this all said, torturing animals for the progressiveness of technology is wrong. Theres one thing about killing an animal to eat it, or to even kill an animal for sport, however, to torture an animal, to me, would be like torturing a baby human- they have no idea why or what they did, they don't even have any idea what you are doing, they just know it hurts.
So to all of those monkey, rat, mouse, cow, lamb, etc. experimental bastards out there- Next time your doing your little experiment, imagine doing it on a, hell not a YOUR newborn baby. If you (like there are any reading this) could do that to your own kid, then you need to be shot in the eye and forced to run backwards though a forest in the middle of winter.

I don't think they were torturing the animals. Animals that do those types of things have to be tsken care of. If they are sick or injured they do not make very good canadates for the project. There are rules for experimentation that they have to abide by. If not they can be charged with animal cruelty. Dr. or not they are still a citizen.

[Chez Daja]

I agree with animal testing. But only if it's something truly inferior, rats, mice, etc. I would protest against testing on less inferior animals. Rat and mice farms would be fine. Digging up somebodies' dead mother is... not.

O.o;

Who the hell had that idea? Did somebody just decide "I think I'll go dig up this woman because she tests on animals."

If it's for thename of science, and to help us further medical knowledge, then I'm all for animal testing. Maybe it's evil or wrong... but humans are a higher species then animals.

Originally Posted by Chez Daja

I agree with animal testing. But only if it's something truly inferior, rats, mice, etc. I would protest against testing on less inferior animals. Rat and mice farms would be fine. Digging up somebodies' dead mother is... not.

O.o;

Who the hell had that idea? Did somebody just decide "I think I'll go dig up this woman because she tests on animals."

If it's for thename of science, and to help us further medical knowledge, then I'm all for animal testing. Maybe it's evil or wrong... but humans are a higher species then animals.

Well, humans are not a 'higher species then animals' seeing as we are animals, your statement contradicts itself.
Why would rats and mice be fine? If you think back to the movie 'Planet of the Apes', I know it's just a movie but it's the closest, the humans didn't really like being treated how we treat 'lower classes animals'. Yes we know what going on, but don't the animals we harm or test on do? I mean, they don't know what we are really doing to them and why, but they know what they are there for, and they know that it hurts them hell-of-a-lot more than they were hurting us. Yes we are the 'domesticated and more intelligent animals', however, that does not give us the RIGHT to be wrong, it just gives us the POWER.

[OnOneRyder]

I certainly don't aggree with animal testing for cosmetics and such, but for medical research they are neccissary. Thousands of people have lived because of the tests perfected on animals and in my eyes that makes it a worthwhile thing.

Next time your doing your little experiment, imagine doing it on a, hell not a YOUR newborn baby.

So because something can feel pain it is our equal? Animals cannot love, they cannot cure diseases. We're the dominant species on this planet and it is our duty to ensure our survival even if that means some animals will suffer and die.

You think these animals would think twice about eating us if they were hungry and needed to survive? We're animals too yes, the only difference is the way in which we kill.

aye, I agreed with you if you would read my posts...

I'm saying that we shouldn't torture animals for our needs. Animals don't need to cure diseases, we do, which is why we should be the ones who find a cure and we should be the ones which help in finding that cure, not the torture of endless animals.

Yes that they feel is what makes them equal to us, however, we are still at the top of the foodchain.

[Chez Daja]

Originally Posted by OOR

I certainly don't aggree with animal testing for cosmetics and such, but for medical research they are neccissary. Thousands of people have lived because of the tests perfected on animals and in my eyes that makes it a worthwhile thing.

Agreed. I'd love to watch all of these hardcore animal rights protesters be diagnosed with something horrible... and not be cured -- all because they wouldnt agree on testing on some mice/rats, which makes no difference to the world because they breed like wildfire anyway... Rats are scum.

[Sasquatch]

Originally Posted by Jintatsu

How very tactful of you, not that I should expect any better. Not that it's really relevant, but what exactly are you basing it on that I don't agree with La Fée Verte as well?

First and foremost, the idea that you believe that the life of a guinea pig and the life of a human are even remotely comparable. I'm sure you agree on some issues, I was merely pointing out that opinions like the one La Fée Verte stated were respectable, whereas the opinion that the life of an animal is anywhere near being on the same level as the life of a human is not. If you do hold the same opinions, by all means, but equating the life of an animal with that of a human doesn't reflect that.

Originally Posted by Plinko

So to all of those monkey, rat, mouse, cow, lamb, etc. experimental bastards out there- Next time your doing your little experiment, imagine doing it on a, hell not a YOUR newborn baby.

We don't have to do it to our babies. Because animals aren't as important as humans, and we can do it to them.

How many dozens, if not hundreds, of cures or treatments for diseases have been found through testing on animals? How many millions, if not hundreds of millions, of human lives have been saved because of technology and medicine first tested on animals?

[Pete]

I think that animals have rights... namely the right to fit nicely on a plate, preferably cooked medium.

So long as it isn't a domesticated animal, it is basically nothing but another living entity. Granted, it's ****ed up to test cosmetics on animals, but trying to find a cure for cancer by treating mice and rats is a completely different story. I'm sure people with cancer would willingly subject themselves to radical and experimental treatments, but there is far too much danger and risk involved. Not by the drugs, but by family members trying to sue the drug corporations, saying that the family member who signed up was delirious or not in their right mind, and was taken advantage of and killed by the drug companies experiments. So they use mice, rats and other lesser animals.

I'm sure if a relative of yours had cancer, you would rather them try a drug proven to work, that had been tested on animals rather than have them become a guniea pig for something that may harm more than help.

[Tiffany]

Originally Posted by Cheesevixen

Are we not animals as well? They can eat us can't they? It is the circle of life. They naturally eat other , and they do it by torturing them for the most part. They eat eachother alive!!! I think wacking them over the head an putting them in a meat grinder is nicest thing we can do , while still getting our supplements

Yes, we're animals as well, to a certain extent. But like you keep saying, we have brains. And we can use these brains to find different ways to get protien rather than eating meat. It can be done.

Animals, on the other hand arn't out there making Tofu or eating peanut butter. That's why I don't think I have the right to eat them. I could very well be finding other ways to get my nutrients. I choose not to though, because I am a big fan of steak.