Marijuana

[Chez Daja]

Lethal Seraphin, OnOneRyder, you guys are awesome.

My first post in this thread provided ACCURATE and correct research of the drug. Proven by scientists. Some of these effects may or may not be seen as much in the smoker, but even if it's a little, there's still some effect.

Driving while stoned? Wow, you were either drugged up and out of it when you typed that or just plain stupid.
OnOneRyder seems to have done his homework... you, Plinko, are just basing it off a few experiences. You should read my first post in this thread to really know how these drugs can effect you. Sure, experience is more then reading and studying about it, but at least if you read my post, you'd actually know some more about it. Obviously I have been ignored through this entire thread.

[Juggalomage]

Tryed Maryjane liked it but don't do it anymore. My minds f*cked as it is I don't want to make it any worst.

Well It's not worth my time to argue... but here...

Two new scientific studies have failed to find evidence
of brain damage in monkeys exposed to marijuana, undercutting
claims that marijuana causes brain damage in humans.
The studies were conducted by two independent
research groups. The first, conducted by Dr. William Slikker,
Jr. and others at the National Center for Toxicological Research
in Arkansas examined some 64 rhesus monkeys, half of which
were exposed to daily or weekly doses of marijuana smoke for
a year. The other, by Gordon T. Pryor and Charles Rebert at SRI
International in Menlo Park, California, which is still
unpublished, looked at over 30 rhesus monkeys that had inhaled
marijuana one to three times a day over periods of 6 to 12
months. Neither study found evidence of structural or
neurochemical changes in the brains of the monkeys when
examined a few months after cessation of smoking.
The new results cast doubt on earlier studies
purporting to show brain damage in animals. The most famous
of these was a study by Dr. Robert Heath, who claimed to find
brain damage in three monkeys heavily exposed to cannabis.
Heath's results failed to win general acceptance in the
scientific community because of the small number of subjects,
questionable controls, and heavy doses.
Subsequent rat experiments by Dr. Slikker and others
reported persistent structural changes in the brain cells of
rats chronically exposed to THC. The studies did not show that
pot kills brain cells, as alleged by some pot critics, but they
did show degeneration of the nerve connections between brain
cells in the hippocampus, where THC is known to be active.
Although scientists have regarded the animal evidence
as inconclusive, some critics have cited it as proof that pot
causes brain damage in humans. Thus Andrew Mecca, the
director of California Department of Alcohol and Drug Abuse,
recently stated on the Ron Reagan, Jr. talk show (Sep. 2, 1991)
that marijuana "leaves a black protein substance in the
synaptic cleft" of brain cells, a claim apparently based on
Heath's monkeys. When asked by a NORML member for his
evidence, Mecca sent a list of three references, none of which
turned out to have anything to do with brain damage.
Although the new monkey studies found no physical
brain damage, they did observe behavioral changes from
marijuana. Slikker's group found that monkeys exposed once a
day to the human equivalent of four or five joints showed
persistent effects throughout the day. Slikker says that the
effects faded gradually after they were taken off marijuana,
and were not detectable seven months later, when they were
sacrificed. Autopsies did reveal lingering chemical changes in
the immune cells in the lungs of monkeys that had inhaled THC.
However, Slikker's group concluded that experimental exposure
to marijuana smoke "does not compromise the general health of
the rhesus monkey."

References:

William Slikker, Jr. et al, "Chronic Marijuana Smoke Exposure in the Rhesus
Monkey," Fundamental and Applied Toxicology 17: 321-32 (1991)

Guy Cabral et al, "Chronic Marijuana Smoke Alters Alveolar Macrophage
Morphology and Protein Expression, Pharmacology Biochemistry and
Behavior 40: 643-9 (1991)

Merle Paule et al., "Chronic Marijuana Smoke Exposure in the Rhesus Monkey
II: Effects on Progressive Ratio and Conditioned Position
Responding," Journal of Pharmacology and Experimental Therapeutics
260: 210-22 (1992)



Want more?... well then here

It was legal to pay taxes with Cannabis hemp in the United States
from 1631 until the early 1800s. (Los Angeles Times, Aug. 12, 1981, and other
sources). Refusing to grow Cannabis hemp was against the law in the United
States during the 17th and 18th century; one could be jailed in Virginia for
refusing to grow hemp from 1763 to 1769. (L.A. Times, Aug. 1981, and Hemp in
Colonial Virginia, G.M. Herdon).

George Washington and Thomas Jefferson grew Cannabis, a fact described in
their diaries and garden books. In 1860 the Ohio State Medical Society
concurred with biblical scholars that "The gall and vinegar or myrrhed
wine offered to our Savior immediately before his crucifixion was in all
probability a preparation of Indian hemp."

Cannabis hemp is the longest, most durable, and longest lasting
natural fiber known to exist on the earth. Ninety per cent of all ships
sails were made from Cannabis hemp since before Christ until the 1930s. the
word canvas is the Dutch pronunciation of the Greek word cannabis.
(Webster's New World Dictionary, and other sources). Virtually all canvas
paintings were painted on Cannabis hemp linen canvas. Eighty per cent of
all textiles - fabrics, clothing, linen, drapes, rugs, bedsheets, etc. -
were made from Cannabis hemp until the 1820s. The national flag itself was
made from Cannabis hemp. Virtually all stocks and bonds were printed on
hemp paper until the 1950s. (Jeffries Bank Note Company, Los Angeles, CA).

By the 1820s, industrial cotton gins allowed cotton to be produced
at less cost than hand separating hemp fiber which was then hand spun on
Spinning Jennys. Hemp was the second most used natural fiber in the United
States until the 1930s, when it was replaced mostly be new Du Pont plastic
fibers under license of 1936 German patents. Hemp fiber paper was replaced
by the cheaper wood pulp sulphide process around 1883. Again, Du Pont was
a recipient of the displaced Cannabis fiber business, with new wood pulp
sulphide process patents in 1937. Ninety per cent of all rope and twine was
made from Cannabis hemp until 1937. Hemp rope and twine has been replaced
mostly by petrochemical fibers, produced principally by Du Pont.

Marijuana seed was used in porridge, soups, and gruel by virtually
all the people of the world daily until the twentieth century. Monks were
required to eat it three times a day, they made their clothing from hemp, and
printed their Bibles on hemp. (Therapeutic Potential of Marijuana, and
Research Institute for Study of Man, and Eastern Orthodox Church). Australia
survived two prolonged famines in the 19th century using virtually nothing
but marijuana seed for protein and marijuana leaves for roughage. (Australia
history books, and the Marijuana Farmer, Jack Frazier, 1972).

The Marijuana seed, which is technically a fruit, is the second
most complete protein source known, after soybeans. The enzymes and
endistins contained in marijuana seed break down food nutrients to allow
easier digestion and more food value. (The Therapeutic Potential of
Marijuana, and three European studies). Marijuana seed contains a higher
percentage of enzymes and amino acids than any other food, including
soybeans, and like soybeans can be made to taste like chicken, beef, tofu,
etc. at five to ten per cent the cost of soybean protein. Domestic animals
could also be fed for less than 20 per cent of current costs. (Marijuana
Farmer). Marijuana can be grown very poor soil, is an excellent rotation
crop (USDA), there is no THC content in the seed.

All good paints and varnisheds were made from Cannabis seed oil
until 1937. (Sherwin Williams Paint Company testimony before Congress
against the 1937 Hemp Tax Transfer Law). One hundred sixteen million pounds
(58 thousand tons) of Cannabis seed were used in the United States for paint
manufacture in 1935. The Cannabis oil business displaced when Cannabis
production became illegal went to Du Pont petrochemicals.

A hemp pulp paper process was invented in 1916 by the U.S.
Department of Agriculture. The U.S. Department of Agriculture in 1916
wrote that one acre of Cannabis hemp for pulp would replace 4 and a half
acres of trees being cut down for pulp, as soon as the technology is
available. This technology became available in the mid 1930s and is detailed
in the Feb. 1938 issue of Popular Mechanics Magazine. The Hearst Paper
Manufacturing Division and Kimberly Clark Co. and other established
concerns could have been hurt by this development for
billions of dollars. Hearst Newspaper led the fight to have marijuana
outlawed in 1936-37 and later admitted to yellow journalism. The testimony
before Congress in 1937 in favor of making Cannabis illegal consisted
almost entirely of Hearst Newspaper articles read aloud by Anslinger.
Anslinger was Director of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics from 1931 to 1961.
Prior to 1931, Anslinger had been Assistant U.S. Commissioner for
Prohibition. Anslinger was picked to head the Federal Bureau of Narcotics
by his uncle-in-law, Andrew Mellon, the Secretary of the Treasury under
Hoover, and by the owner of Mellon Bank, Pittsburgh, the sixth largest U.S.
bank, and a banker for Du Pont since 1928.

In 1937 Anslinger testified before Congress that "Marijuana is the
most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind." After the 1944 New
York City La Guardia Marijuana Report refuting marijuana causing violence at
all, Anslinger changed his tune before Congress by 1948, when he told
Congress that he no longer thought marijuana violence-causing, but "a much
more dangerous drug than America than that." He testified that "Marijuana
causes its users to become so peaceful and pacifistic that in the future
American boys will not want to fight in our wars." Anslinger also warned
Congress that "The Communists could use marijuana to sap our will to
fight." This represents a reversal of the reasoning which originally
produced marijuana's illegalization in this country in 1937. Anslinger
retired in 1961. (Omni Magazine, Sept. 1982)

CANNABIS USE TODAY

Today China makes very popular hemp/cotton textiles. (The National
Textile Co., Shanghai, China. Canada, England and others still use hemp
fiber in their paper money. It lasts three times longer than U.S. money.

If Cannabis hemp were legal to grow with 20th century technology,
it would again be the single largest agricultural crop in the United States,
without even considering recreational smoking. (The U.S. Department of
Agriculture). If the hemp pulp paper process invented by the USDA in 1916
were legal today, it would replace 40 to 70 per cent of wood pulp paper,
and make a better and cheaper paper, with no acid rain produced in its
manufacture. (The U.S. Department of Agriculture).

MEDICINAL PROPERTIES OF CANNABIS

For more than 3,500 years marijuana has been one of the most
widely used drugs for oriental medicine. From 1850 to 1937 American
Pharmacopeia prescribed marijuana for more than 100 separate illnesses or
diseases. From 1842 to the 1880's marijuana was one of the most used drugs
in the United States to treat the illnesses of adults and children.The
American Medical Association testified against the 1937 Marijuana Tax Act.
(Dr. James Woodward, 1937, before Congress). The United States Government
forbid marijuana research for 30 years from 1931 to 1961. An active
ingredient of marijuana, Delta-9 THC was isolated in 1964-1965 by Israeli
scientists. More than 400 of a suspected 1,000 different ingredients of
marijuana have been isolated since 1964.Recent research (1966 through
1976) reconfirms marijuana to be the medicine of choice, best and safest,
for glaucoma, for epilepsy, for muscular spasms, for reduction of tumors,
for control of nausea in cancer chemotherapy, for emphysema, migraine,
depression, and anorexia nervosa.Eighty percent of asthmatic - more than
15 million people are affected - could add two to four years to their
lifespans, especially children, over the benefits of presently legal and
toxic medicines, by using marijuana (UCLA 1969-1975, and Therapeutic
Potential for Marijuana, and Life Insurance Actuarial Rates, 1985). Ninety
percent of glaucoma victims can benefit from the use of marijuana.
California eye doctors will tell their patients, discreetly, to use
marijuana to save their eyes. (Harvard; UCLA; Medical College of Georgia;
University of North Carolina School of Medicine, 1975; The Therapeutic
Potential of Marijuana; and the National Eye Institute). Marijuana is two
to three times as effective as any currently legal medicines for reducing
ocular pressure, without toxic side effects destroying liver and kidneys,
toxic effects associated with present legal glaucoma drugs. As far as the
California Marijuana Initiative can determine, no Californian receives
marijuana legally for glaucoma, even though California law (1979)
allows for medicinal use of marijuana. This provision is not implemented
because of the current Federal Natural Marijuana Prohibition, and past
California State Attorney General Deukmejians's thwarting of doctors' and
researchers' ability to acquire legal supplies of marijuana from him
within the program passed by our legislators. (L.A. Times, 1982; and
Patrick Mayers). Marijuana is also the supreme dilator of the airways, the
bronchi, opening them up to allow more oxygen into the blood. Marijuana is
the best dilator of the little air tubes of the lungs, the bronchioles.
Marijuana is the best overall bronchiole dilator. (Therapeutic Potential
of Marijuana, and studies by Taskin at UCLA from 1969 through 1983, and
the U.S. Costa Rican Studies, 1982). The original Costa rican Report was
ordered suppressed by the Reagan Administration. A copy was snuck out to
the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws. The Reagan
Administration and National Institute for Health ordered the Costa Rican
Report rewritten three times, then finally rewrote the report themselves.
The N.I.H. ordered only 300 copies to be printed. To read the suppressed
original Costa Rican Report ordered by the U.S. Government would make you
cry.

The extrapolations of health potentials are extraordinary. Medical
research indicates that light marijuana smoking would be the therapy of
choice for mild emphysema to allow more fresh areas of the bronchi to
open up for more oxygen transfer, and increase the quality of life
greatly for tens of millions of sufferers of emphysema. (UCLA, 1974-1975).
All research into the oxygen transfer effects caused by marijuana indicates
that chest pains, shallowness of breath, headaches, etc., which are
symptomatic of heavy smog exposure are usually alleviated entirely by the
light smoking of marijuana throughout the day. (Marijuana Pulmonary Research,
Taskin, UCLA, 1969-1983). Marijuana is the best natural expectorant to void
lungs of smog. Marijuana completely alleviates most migraine headaches most
of the time.

It is estimated that, if legal, marijuana would replace more than fifty
percent of Valium, Librium, Stellazine, etc. (Therapeutic Potential of
Marijuana). Marijuana is the best way presently known to dry the mouth's
saliva, in dentistry. If legal, it would replace the highly toxic
Probanthine, manufactured by Searle & Co. Marijuana is also the best
relaxant and back spasm medicine available short of morphine.Marijuana is
the best herb known for reducing malignant and benign tumors. Until 1937
virtually all fistula, corns, and fibrosis were treated with poltices made
from or treated with marijuana extracts. (The Therapeutic Potential of
Marijuana and Marijuana Medical Papers, 1972).Sixty percent of epileptics
can benefit from the use of marijuana. It is considered to be the best
medication for many types od epilepsy, and for most victim's post seizure
trauma.
(The Therapeutic Potential of Marijuana, Cohen/Stillman, UCLA, 1976).
The Drug Enforcement Administration and the U.S. Government ordered (then
ordered suppressed) studies done at the Medical College of Virginia. After
notable success in the research, orders were given by the DEA and the
National Institute of Health, to cease all research and reports in 1975.
(The Therapeutic Potential of Marijuana, and personal interviews with the
doctors and researchers who conducted the research, by the California
Marijuana Initiative in Washington, D.C., Nov. 1982). This study was
ordered originally on the premise that marijuana would harm the immune
system, based on studies done by Dr. Gabriel Nahas, Columbia University,
1972. The same Dr. Nahas who said marijuana created chromosome damage, etc.
Nahas is still the favorite of DEA and National Institute of Drug Abuse,
yet no anti-marijuana studies done by Nahas have ever been replicated in
six other university researches. Columbia University disassociated
themselves, specifically, from Nahas researches in a University Press
Conference in 1975. Old, discredited Nahas studies are still trotted out
and used by the DEA today to give unknowledgeable parents, PTA, etc. as
valid research regarding marijuana.Marijuana is the best agent for control
of nausea in cancer chemotherapy. (UCLA, Dr. Thomas Underleider, head of
California's Marijuana for Cancer Research Project, 1979-1983). Patrick
Mayers in 1979 was instrumental in getting the California Legislature to
pass legislation allowing for medical use of marijuana in California.
Mayer's life was saved in 1976 when his doctor advised him, to illegally
to use marijuana for his chemotherapy nausea. At the time Mayer's weight
was down to 93 pounds.

Mayers was shocked in 1981 when Deukmejian, then Attorney General, in charge
of the medical supply program, was absolutely refusing to supply the
confiscated marijuana he had been legally authorized to dispense to doctors
prescribing marijuana for their patients. At this point Mayers convinced
the L.A. Times and other public media to demand implementation of the
1979 California Medicine Law.It is estimated by the National Organization
for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML) and by Omni Magazine that Eli
Lilly Company; Abbot Laboratories; Smith, Kline, and French, Inc.; etc.
would lose hundreds of millions to billions of dollars if marijuana were
made legal. U.S. drug companies successfully lobbied the federal
government to ban all positive research into marijuana in 1976. In return,
the drug companies would take over research into analogues of synthetic
THCs, CBSs, CBNs, etc. Eli Lilly Co. came out with Nabilone, a synthetic
cousin of Delta-9 THC, promising great results. Nabilone is presently
legal to prescribe only in Canada. Omni Magazine states that after nine
years Nabilone is still considered virtually useless when compared with
real marijuana THC.

After spending millions of dollars in research over the last eight years,
U.S. drug companies have been unable top synthesize the therapeutic
qualities of natural marijuana THC. (Omni Magazine).NORML concludes
that the reason drug companies want only synthetic THCs to be legal
is to prevent anyone extracting and marketing the natural ingredients of
marijuana, interfering with their own monopoly-protected profit. Eli Lilly
Co. would stand to lose a third of their patented monopoly, including
Darvon, Tuinal and Seconal patented line.

Isn't it interesting that a substance so useful and applicable to so many
applications is so heavily suppressed by our government? Despite years of
research and valuable applications marijuana was recently denied an upgrade
in drug classification which would have still made it illegal except for a
few specific medical uses (such as anti-nausea during chemotherapy) and
is still considered a "dangerous substance with no medical use".



This, along with much more information, is where I get MY information from. Please tell me how you are qualified to tell me that I am wrong?

[OnOneRyder]

This, along with much more information, is where I get MY information from. Please tell me how you are qualified to tell me that I am wrong?

Because all you did was copy and paste information about how it can help slow the effects of some diseases and that hemp is a good product for rope and textiles. Nothing there shows that being under the effects of it would cause you to be a better driver. If you're going to go to a search engine and copy a bunch of text to use in your arguement read it over first.

I'm not telling you that you are wrong on some aspects. I AM tellling you that you are wrong when you say you drive perfectly while under its affects. If you can somehow you're either a very unique specimen and marijuana has no effect on you or what I suspect that is more likely is you're just smoking some dank ass bud and would be better off smoking toilet paper.

[Asheis]

The only thing I pointed to being wrong anywhere in this post was the fact that marijuana had adverse effects on your health. I was disputing people that said there were no proven medical problems caused by it.

Never once did I argue against the medical usage of marijuana, or even casual, non-habitual usage.

As OnOneRyder says, just copying and pasting information isn't enough to prove that you're an authority on the matter. You totally ignore the other side, which is bad policy when trying to argue a point.

Saying "Who are you to argue with me?" won't make ANYONE take you any more seriously.

[Lethal Seraphim]

Figures... the time he posts some possible truth(however arguably irrelevant it may be), I'm too much of a lazy ass to read it all. But he was lazy enough to copy and paste it all. Hmm... two wrongs don't make a right I suppose.

Anyway, thank you for pasting all that information, Plinko. I would read it but I've done my own research on the topic of Marijuana. Plus I really don't care to read that, especially if it's not in your own words. However, I'm willing to trust here and assume that you know what all that you pasted says. I'm also trusting OnOneRyder by saying it has nothing to do with marijuana and driving.

If I wasn't an aforementioned lazy ass, I'd post my two papers I did on the whacky tabaccy.

Originally Posted by Chez Daja

Lethal Seraphin, OnOneRyder, you guys are awesome.

My first post in this thread provided ACCURATE and correct research of the drug. Proven by scientists. Some of these effects may or may not be seen as much in the smoker, but even if it's a little, there's still some effect.

Driving while stoned? Wow, you were either drugged up and out of it when you typed that or just plain stupid.
OnOneRyder seems to have done his homework... you, Plinko, are just basing it off a few experiences. You should read my first post in this thread to really know how these drugs can effect you. Sure, experience is more then reading and studying about it, but at least if you read my post, you'd actually know some more about it. Obviously I have been ignored through this entire thread.

I see you, lol. I think your information was helpful. I did not comment cause I wanted to hit different things. That way we are not focusing on only one thing. It is very cool you did your homework

[Chez Daja]

Thank you. It wasn't really a comment directed at everybody, but more at Plinko. He was crazy enough to copy/paste loads of stuff he probally didn't even read, but he wasn't ass'd to even listen to matters more related to the subject.

Although I'm sure his gerzillion word essay was an interesting and enlightening experience to read ... I could'nt even read half, or even be bothered to read a quarter, mainly because I know what marijuana is, I know it's effects.

Maybe I'll write something for TFF on drugs study and Loco could sticky it. I'll have a talk with him about that.

[Double U]

I think we are getting off topic

for not being a spammer:


pot/mari/weed/cannabis/hennep whatever is not much or not worse at all than other drugs that are legal in your countrys (cuz pots legal ove rhere remember)

thank you

Lol, well about my "copying and pasting"... ummm duh I copied and pasted it. It was where I got my INFORMATION FROM, how about you all actually grow a brain, and stop trying to be smart, or trying to make people like you. Yah you can say whatever you want about me I could care less lol, I want to talk about this topic, which is marijuana, and not about what some choice people think about it. If you *think* marijuana is bad... umm ok... good for you, but I could careless, as well as some others here, about what you *think*. You people seem to think that this topic is about your opinion... it's not... it's about marijuana. We all know it impairs you, yes I understand how you can get the misconseption that of me saying we drive perfectly, but what you don't realize is we do drive fine. Having short reaction time is not driving, it affects driving, but it isn't technically driving, but whatever enough with all the bullshit. Lets get back onto topic.


MARIJUANA

The hemp plant, which has been proven to be a strong material (as stated in above arguments), would make for better paper, as well as many other things. Think about it... growing marijuana would provide many benefits...

It'd cut back on the crime rate.
It has never been proven to be a gateway drug, and while I'm on the point let me point out that NO drug actually has been proven to lead to harder drugs people just assume this because of some morons.
The hemp paper would save trees from being cut down, creating more, fresher air, as well as saving the animals who's natural habitats are there. (Thinkin about the hippies and 'save the trees'?)
People would all get along... On alcohol, it's chemically proven that it alters your mood in such a way that if your in a good environment, TO YOUR LIKING, then you will be happy, but if your in a bad environment or even if the good changes to bad, then you will get angry real fast...

Now when smoking, I've never felt pissed off, hell I've felt angry... but for like 30 seconds until I decided "Hey it's not even worth it to get worked up".
Eventually, if my technilogical theory works out, then it will turn up world peace.

[Chez Daja]

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