Abortion: Do you Agree or Not?

[Tiffany]

I really don't think anyone was trying to say that you're potentially saving the world from a killer.

More along the lines of you never know what you're going to get. Some people have some serious disorders... some don't. I believe genetics play a big part in those things... but yeah. Brats are molded through environment through and through.

[TomStrife]

Originally Posted by Sherry Wine

I totally believe that, and they further hurt themselves by doing that.

when I got pregnant, the father wanted to punch me in the stomach and let my body abort it naturally from there, get rid of it on my own without seeking medical attention. I told him no way...and I didn't even know if I was pregnant for sure or not, because it happened in the first month when I hadn't even missed my period yet, so my body could have disposed of it without too much problem. Well...go figure...he's not in our lives...nor should he be. I'm proud I kept my son. As said before, he may be unplanned, but he's the best surprise that's ever happened to me.

Many women naturally abort their embryos within the first 2 weeks, without even knowing it, because it's just like another period when it happens that early. when a body aborts the baby on it's own....it's not always the mother's fault. Something just wasn't right and the body responded how it was made to respond. After 1 month, sometimes in the first month as well, it's a miscarriage.....just a nicer word for a natural abortion.

Once again, "the father" didn`t want the baby, he shouldn`t have had the sex.

[Kyo-san]

Yeah, but does that mean that people who don't want kids need to stay virgins their entire life? That doesn't seem fair, and even you have to admit: There ARE accidents. Not every condom is made a perfect condom!

I agree with that. People that have sex should expect a baby to happen some time. A condom is only 99 percent accurate. Think of what that means. That means that out of 100 x you have sex there is only one chance of having a baby. Now think of how much sex you have a month, a year, a decade. You are bound to get pregnant, but that does not mean that you shouldn't have sex ever. It just means that youshould prepare to have a baby, an not just prepare to throw it away. Hey if you have a chance that you might have a flat. Would you plan to just inpound the car or just to fix the tire? Either way a condom is not the most reliable source of bc out there. there are tons of other things you can do that are better. Chances are though. thanks be to somone....you are always going to have the slight chance that you are going to have a child. So why act suprized an immediatly try to abort the kid. Knowledge invokes responsiblity. An with that comes action. An morally , yu know what you are doing. An morally you should be prepared

[Hecate]

Actually...I was reading in one of my parenting mags that condoms are a lot less reliable than the shot or the patch...but even women using the patch need a condom in the first month or if they go over a day or if the patch comes off. The comdom, to me, seems to be more for preventing STDs rather than pregnancy. Some people even watch what time of the month it is and are more careful to use precaution or just not do anything at all around ovulation time, maybe add a day on both ends of the time frame to make sure about it. Doesn't always work, but it did for me for quite a while.

[SOLDIER #819]

I support the choice of abortion within the first trimester. An embryo or fetus isn't any more alive than a blood cell. It is component of a human, but not a human. It does not have a conscience.

Originally Posted by hellbred

What if certain people had been aborted. Einstein for example. It was his letter to President Roosevelt which recommended what enriched Uranium could do, and who had it already. Without that letter, Americans may very well be speaking German right now. Maybe not though, who knows.

I don't think all this "what if" stuff is a very solid argument. What if Hitler had been aborted? We could have saved millions of innocents.

What if the parent or parents just decide not to have a baby and use birth control or be abstinent? Does that mean that by using a form of birth control or not having sex that you are depriving the world of a possible life? No. But suddenly when the sperm hits the egg everything changes, despite that this embryo/fetus is not what we consider a "human life."

[Hecate]

A baby can't think for himself even AFTER his born....so that shouldn't matter. It has a heartbeat with blood running and the brain has electrical impulses, they just don't lead anywhere YET.

I'm more for PREVENTION than killing an embryo. Have you watched ANY shows on Discovery health that takes you through the process of conception through birth? They tell you when things start working and what the ebryo/fetus/baby can do at each different stage. They are only a group of cells for only a week or two....after that, it's living. Doesn't matter if it KNOWS or not....it's ALIVE and that's all that should matter.

[SOLDIER #819]

IT is alive. Do you know what IT is, though? IT is not a human in conscience. IT is a collection of cells that will continue to multiply to later create a bigger picture. The most necessary part of that picture is not there yet. IT may have human features, but it is more like a plant in function. Plants are very much alive, but we don't compare them to humans and animals.

I certainly wouldn't compare an embryo/early fetus to an actual baby, seriously. Fetuses at that stage don't think. Babies do. There are different levels of being alive. You probably don't feel any remorse when you pull a flower from the soil. This is no different. If it could actually think at that stage, this would be a totally different story.

I agree with SHerry. It IS a human. If it is not a human at the moment of conception there is something wrong with you. Because there is not way in hell it is going to turn into anything else. i.e. cat , dog, parakeet. An actually from the moment it is there it IS a human! Yes it may be a blob of molecules, but it is a blob of HUMAN molecules. That is like saying a cat that is preganant isn't pregnant with kittens. If my cat if ****ing prego then I am preparing to have kittens. Duh. An the HUMAN that kills is actually does feel remorse. I have never known even a person who is FOr abortion say it was a GOOD experience, JUst because it is not in the fetuses court to be remorseful does not mean it is any better.

[SOLDIER #819]

Something wrong with me? If it does not think, then it IS just a blob of cells at that point. A blob of human cells that is alive and growing, of course, but neither of those actually automatically denote human thought process, which is what I am concerned about. They're incomplete organs and limbs as alive as the cells that make them up.

What really is a human being without thought? I may feel bad (or terrible) that I have stopped a life from being born, but that does not mean it was alive mentally to begin with.

Just like that guy that was in a comma for 10 years. That is a human without thought, and law protcted him! Why does it not protect something that is almost gauranteed to come out in the next 9 months! That is all I am tryiing to say. Why choose one life over another? They are just splitting hairs trying to make them feel better. It is easier to save a man that you love, then a baby you don't want!

[fosterkid]

the only way abortion is ok,is if the chick was raped. other than that i think if ya get pregnant then its ur falt ,so have it then if u dont want it put it up for adoption. that way the kid will be parents wholl want it

I don't think rape is that much of an excuse. Even though I respect you opinion an agree with you that it is not right. I had this situation handed to me first hand by my mother. I figured if she can get raped an have the child an love the child. Then why can't anyone else. Maybe I base this too much on sentimental value, but stregnth to me is the object here.

[SOLDIER #819]

As far as I know, the fetus was never alive in conscience. It never felt anything or knew anything, unlike the man in a coma. What remains when it is aborted aren't what it was, just what it could have been.

When it comes down to it, I am not thrilled with the idea of abortion and have my doubts about it, but I don't consider that which has yet to experience thought to be a baby. I can't consider it "baby killing", just stopping the possibility of a newborn from being...Born. In a perfect world things like this wouldn't be necessary, but people are not perfect and make mistakes. Some of it may even be out of their control (rape for example, which has been commonly noted). Some people don't want a newborn for whatever reason(s), and I think that should be respected. Well, not even respected, just accepted. It isn't hurting anyone (directly).

There is always the possibility of a baby being born when two people have sex. When the sperm hits the egg and forms an embryo, it's still a possibility, but the conscience that makes the baby into what he or she is and not a flesh doll has yet to exist (as far as I know).

You're right though, cheesevixen. If people think (or know, I suppose) that killing an embryo/fetus is baby killing, then it's no different when someone is raped. It would still be baby killing.