who do you think would win in a fight between sephiroth and sin - Page 3

Anomaly · 02-12-2006, 12:36 AM

I disagree. Every monster is made up of millions of pyre flies. We KNOW there is mroe than one soul inside sin, as both Yevon and Jecht are there. It stands to reason each monster (I mean in the city, not just the sin spawn) are composed of other souls as well.

Sin is not Jecht nor is it the final Aeon, its just Armor. Sin is nothing. Sin is little more than Legion. And it doesn't even MATTER...so long as it is composed of Souls or A Soul, Sephiroth and Kuja both could feed off of it.

**Andromeda** · 02-12-2006, 12:50 AM

I am beginning to wonder if you even remember FFX. They say specifically in the game, without question that Yu Yevon merges with the Final Aeon and it becomes the new Sin, the new armor. And at the end of the game where Yu Yevon is merging with Yuna's Aeons those are all becoming Sin. You in a technical aspect defeat Sin 7 to 10 times there because Yu Yevon hides behind Aeons to shield him from the world. That armor is Jecht, he controls the armor known as Sin for the most part, Yu Yevon does excerise control, though Jecht was still hanging in there. The armor is the Final Aeon, and the monsters on it Sin Spawn, thus meaning spawned from Sin, not from people that are unsent.

Anomaly · 02-12-2006, 01:00 AM

I'm already questioning your understanding.

SIN is just armor. That big ugly thing with the myriad of eyes that swims around in the ocean and sky like an insectoid whale...THAT is SIN. The final Aeon becomes Sin by being encased in that armor...that concentration of spirits and monsters. ALL monsters in spira are made from pyre flies...the unsent spirits of Spira . Yu Yevon DOES take control of the Fayths Aeons, yes, as well as the Final Aeon...but it is SIN that is the armor. The Aeons are just pawns that anchor Yu-Yevon to this world.

After a Final Aeon is defeated by another final Aeon, the summoner of that final Aeon is killed by their own final Aeon being controled by Yu Yevon and turning on them. Spira then has a period of peace known as 'The Calm' in which Yu Yevon must take the time to REBUILD SIN around the final Aeon. After this is complete Yu Yevon goes on a rampage again, using the Final Aeon and the armor Sin as a puppet. Yu Yevon manipulates souls...as Kuja did and Sephiroth did.

Yu Yevon, however, is HIMSELF nothing more than a dead soul...an Unsent. As such it doesn;t matter who is whats armor, who has to die, or what is said about protection. The souls of the dead are ultimately vulnerable to Sephiroth and thus only Yu Yevon could pose a threat to Sephiroth. Yu Yevon is NO THREAT WHATSOEVER. Did you beat FFX?

to clarify matters further...what do Sin spawn do when they die? They DISSOLVE INTO PYREFLIES. they may be part of Sin, but ALL of Sin and its spwan are still just Fiends made of unsent.

**Andromeda** · 02-12-2006, 01:22 AM

Yes, I beat it more times than I can remember.

And Sephiroth can absorb the souls of the dead that sort of thing, the lifestream. However, Sin is not simply a dead soul, it is a physical being, whether it is dead or not. Well actually it is an aeon, the Final Aeon from the High Summoner. All the aeons by nature are dead, since they are merely projections of the souls of the faith that are sealed away. They are a part of the faith. But the Aeons are real beings, even if they are simply reflections of the dead. This makes them a little different the simply lifestream or pyreflies. All things are made of pyreflies in the idea that when you die you become pyreflies.

This also holds true in FFVII in that people have a similar thing in their bodies to the lifestream. Which would put them in a very similar situation as the people of Spira. This information is coming from Advent Children. It is not exactly the lifestream, but is quite similar. And under that logic Sephiroth could not simply drain a person of their life energy, it is not really lifestream in the form that he absorbs. It is not the right type, just like it would for the people in Spira. Sin is a soul, and like anyone in Spira you cannot just simply take its soul away. You have to defeat it first.

The Armor known as Sin is the Final Aeon of the High Summoner. The one that died whenever the last calm started. Sin the Armor is defeated when the Summoner gains the Final Aeon from Yunalesca, who transforms a person into the Final Aeon. Depending on their bond, the strength of the Final Aeon can vary. The Summoner then confronts Sin the Armor and summons the Final Aeon, unfortunately in the process of the summoning the Summoner's life is drained away and they die. The Final Aeon cracks the Armor known as Sin and in whatever fashion destroys the Armor known as Sin. However, when this happens Yu Yevon the ultimate master, merges with the Final Aeon and hides itself within it. Then it goes into hiding control the Final Aeon letting grow and expand until it is ready to return to destruction.

The number of Pyreflies do not count up to more souls. If each Pyrefly meant one soul, then why would Auron release into a couple dozen. Why would the Aeons during Yuna's Final Sending release into several dozen. They are the reflection of one soul, not many, just like Auron he is one soul, the pyreflies are parts of the soul or memories, it is the sum of the parts that make the person and the soul. Just because Sin releases into thousands of pyreflies does not add up to a ton of souls. If Sin really did add up to hundreds or thousands of souls, you will have to wonder where they are getting them from. The population of Spira is not that great, due to Sin's attacks. Ten years is hardly any time to completely restore a population. And Sin has hundreds of monsters, probably thousands. There are not nearly enough people for Sin to have killed. The only way would be for Sin to be going into the Farplane and stealing souls from there. And there is no real simple way into the Farplane. And all the souls in the Farplane are peaceful ones that have been sent or accepted death. That is not exactly angry soul material. But Sin does not steal souls, it is only one soul, well two souls Yu Yevon and the Final Aeon, who ever that is at the time.

Anomaly · 02-12-2006, 01:31 AM

I still disagree. Even given that EACH and EVERY monster in FFX is composed of only one full soul, there are several monsters within Sin that do not class as Sin spawn. Gemini, Monolith, Tonberry, and that like are not Sin Spawn. In this, Sin is both a monster, a place, and a means of transportation...but ULTIMATELY it is the shell and the armor, and it is composed of monsters which are in turn composed of souls, which in turn (under your own logic) are each composed of their own souls. Thus it isn;t ONE GIANT being but many that come together ot form the whole.

Where odes it get all these unsent souls? Why by GOING AROUND SPIRA AND DESTROYING IT. A Summoner is not always present when people die, and there's no rule that says unsent can only become fiends near their dead bodies. Like Auron, they can wonder.

Next you'll be telling me all the monsters in Omega ruins are just peices of the monk Omega's soul. That just doesn;t make sense.

But here, lets say you're right. Lets say Sephiroth would first have to kill Sin in order to absourb his souls. Why bother? It is proven fact that Sephiroth can posses people and bend them to his will. Why could he not simpley enter Sin in spiritual form and unseat Yu Yevon and take the shell of Sin for his own? It would be childs play.

neoistheone · 02-12-2006, 06:13 AM

it would have to be Sephiroth I mean that guy is pure evil. He is super fast and somewhat invincible too. So well Sin wouldn't stand a chance against him.

Sasquatch · 02-12-2006, 07:42 AM

The real question here is... Who gives a damn? Why do people keep comparing characters from two different video games?

Just because it has a soul doesn't mean Sephiroth (or Kuja, for that matter) can automatically beat it. And since the battle systems for FFVII and FFX are so different, Sin would be able to do damage amounting to dozens of thousands, while the best Sephiroth could do would be 9,999, as pointed out before. Sephiroth would get pwned.

Anomaly · 02-12-2006, 07:29 PM

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The real question here is... Who gives a damn? Why do people keep comparing characters from two different video games?

Just because it has a soul doesn't mean Sephiroth (or Kuja, for that matter) can automatically beat it. And since the battle systems for FFVII and FFX are so different, Sin would be able to do damage amounting to dozens of thousands, while the best Sephiroth could do would be 9,999, as pointed out before. Sephiroth would get pwned.

I was fairly certain the question was from a theoretical standpoint in which the two characters themselves could clash outside of game. If we're going off of intergame strategem...then Sephiroth would still win hands down. Sin never did damage amounting to over 9999 and he had significantly LESS HP than Sephiroth. At least the Sin that is the outer shell. If we talk about Sephiroth having to go through all the monsters inside Sin as well, thats rather cheap because the question isn't 'could Sephiroth beat Jecht' or 'Could Sephiroth beat Yu Yevon'.

Palazzo · 02-12-2006, 09:34 PM

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Sin never did damage amounting to over 9999 and he had significantly LESS HP than Sephiroth.

He could cause an instant Game Over.

I don't know about having significantly less HP than Sephiroth though. He had 140,000

Anomaly · 02-13-2006, 06:49 PM

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He could cause an instant Game Over.

I don't know about having significantly less HP than Sephiroth though. He had 140,000

Right. Fine. Be all end all time.

NO character in FFX has the same capacity for carnage as Sephiroth for one very special reason. Merciless Angel reduces ANY characters hit points to 1 hit point. No matter how strong Sin is, no matter how powerful his attacks, SIN has to build power. All Sephiroth would have to do is use Merciless angel, and then tap Sin on the nose.

Game Over.

If he really wants ot make him suffer though, he could use Pale Horse...turn big old Sin into a little sleeping petrified frog thats got a Death Sentence.

Sasquatch · 02-13-2006, 07:18 PM

That's under the HUGE assumption that those attacks would work. Do gravity-elemental attacks work on Sin? No. (At least I don't think so, anyway). Could you turn Sin to stone, or put him to sleep? No. So what makes you think Sephiroth's special attacks would work? They worked on your characters, yes, because your characters were nothing special. Most bosses are immune to just about everything. Including, I'd imagine, Sin.

Your "be-all, end-all", well, isn't.

Anomaly · 02-13-2006, 07:51 PM

Merciless Angel isn;t a Gravity based spell and all he would need to do is perform his one winged slash attack after it hits. My be all end all smokes your ass

Under this, ANY Final Fantasy villain from the previous FF's could kill Sin. Kuja could use Ultima and then Flare Star (or whatever he deemed fit) Ultemcia could use Hells Judgement and then an insginificant spell, and Kefka...Lord Kefka would only have to use Goner and then one of his less significant attacks...possibley Ultima. The End.

Sin is nothing compared to ANY previous FF main boss.