Sepiroth vs Ultimecia

[Shadow Of Darkness]

thats easy...SEPHIROTH would win and we all know that.
what can Ultimecia do? uuuu cast death!!! oh please!!!
we only saw Ultimecia in one game, and Sephiroth is almost every game (you know what I mean ).

[Nin`]

Hmmm.

Now children lets think about this.

Ultimecia, being the bad ass bitch that she is, has the ability to compress and manipulate space-time. Now, and if I remember correctly, to avoid the effects of her time magic one requires a bond of friendship with another person/loved one, hence Squall and co being able travel across time (unaffected) and defeat her.

Now, what kind of bond does Sephiroth have that Squall and co have? None! Sephiroth doesn't even have any friends, at lest not any more. So by my reckoning Sephiroth is going to need to find him self some friends before he even has a hope of defeating Ultimecia, which will most likely never happen any way since he's homicidal and basically hates everyone.

I can just imagine the game now: Ultimecia v.s Sephiroth; follow Sephiroth in his quest to find some friends and bring down Ultimecia. Haha. Yeah.

He may be a bad ass (in his own little way) but Ultimecia would rip him apart given the chance.

[thatguy]

Sephiroth would kick her ace. She wouldn't stand a chance. Cloud is much stronger than Squall. Squall was able to defeat Ultimecea, Cloud had a lot of trouble beating Sephiroth.

[Anachlirium]

I'd say Sephiroth. I thought Ultimecia was a bit uber-easy to beat. Sephiroth took a while. And he definitely seemed to have more staying power.

I must say I actually like Ultimecia better, but still I believe that Sephiroth would win if they went head to head. Then you have the Jenova cell thing, too.

And for me the FFVII party seemed stronger in comparison to that of FFVIIIs.

[Violet]

My FF7 party was WAY stronger than my FF8 one, as well. I got sooo lazy in FF8, because drawing all that magic was sooo boring. I couldn't take it. So, instead of leveling up a lot, I just went through the story.. and couldn't beat the end of FF8 because my characters were so weak T_T.

In my FF7 party, I equipped Cloud with his final weapon and those HP materias.. and he did 9999 on every hit against Sephiroth. I didn't find Sephiroth that challenging. Ultimecia was hard. She would've been easy if I had beaten all those monsters to get my skills back. (I still need to beat this stupid game, damnit.. even IF I know the ending already.) Oh, and I had all the final weapons for every character in FF7, too.. and all of the summoning stuff. So it was a breeze.

[pinkanimesmiles]

The decision is kinda weird because I believe in that whole Ultimecia-Rinoa theory, so it's SORT of like comparing good and evil. Sephiroth is stronger, but Ultimecia leaves a far greater impact on the player. Just the sight of her is eeek. Sephiroth's just a psycho guy with a long sword who I don't get why he's so popular. I go with Ultimecia because she's scarier and more memorable.

[Lilium]

It's a tough decision, but I believe Ultimecia would win.

Ultimecia can control anyone's mind from any time. Therefore, from the future, Ultimecia could control Sephiroth (she controlled Adel, and even though Adel isn't as strong as Sephiroth, who's to say that she couldn't?) and make him commit suicide. But then, you would have to think, since it's a battle, she wouldn't be able to use her abilities to manipulate people in another time, since it would be just the two of them at the same time. Although, Sephiroth does have those God's cells infused inside of him, which could make it difficult for Ultimecia to do that, anyway, even if she were to try.

Sephiroth is very powerful with his gigantic sword, but Ultimecia is much more skilled and versed in magic than Sephiroth is. She even has many more and much more powerful magics than he does. Since she is also able to control time and space, she would be able to manipulate time and dodge a good amount of his attacks (I say a good amount because let's face it, both of these bosses could dodge many of each other's attacks and find ways to not be affected by them or even defend against them).

It's getting late where I am, so I'll just leave it at that for now, and maybe complete my little reasons of how each one could be affected by the other's powers or not be affected by the other's powers.

All in all though, it's very difficult to decide who would win. I mean, they're both from completely different worlds and realities, so it's very difficult to compare and contrast them, in terms of power and might. I believe that it would be a very epic and close fight, but Ultimecia would come out as the victor. I'll think of how this would work out while I'm heading off to bed and the following morning, and report back with my thoughts on the matter.

[Midgar_Minion]

Out of this one I would have to say Ultemecia she is a crazy Sorsress... maybe if sephiroth had a team with him but alone i would go with ultemecia

[Dan558]

I think Sephiroth would win because he just keeps coming back. Not only that he was very powerful physically and Magically. Utlimecia was more powerful magically but I also agree with the thought that Sephiroth is faster. Also Sephiroth would just use meteor if things got bad for him, He`s crazy like that and even though it takes an eternity for it to actually happen like I said earlier he`d probably just keep living until It happened. As for the whole mind control thing I think he would resist it, not only would he have a strong enough will but his mind is cracked and some would say supernatural due to his genetic make-up. Speaking of which

Originally Posted by Palazzo

Sephiroth isn't a clone of a god. He's just infused with a god's cells, which the god uses to control him.

he`s closer to a clone then you might think, the way Jenovas cells were introduced to him (in a zygote form) where it is clear that Jenovas DNA dominated is extremely close to how cloning is actually done. As for not looking like her, thats irrelevant as it is stated in the game that Jenova took many forms to trick the Ancients and Sephiroth shows his ability to transform in the final battles (Bizzaro and Angel form). Although I would say he is not 100% clone

[Occult]

Kay everyone's gonna scream at me but I have to ask

1) Where does it say that Jenova is a God? She was an alien with remarkable genetic traits was she not.
2) I dont think Ultimecia can control anyone's mind. We only see her control Adel, Rinoa and Edea. All of whom are sorceresses. She's looking for Ellone to use her ability, but we never see her control Ellone. If she could control anyone wouldnt she directly manipulate Ellone?

I also saw an arguement that Sephiroth doesnt need to use MP. Well nor does Ultimecia. Not only is there no MP in FFVIII, magic and para-magic are very different. Sorceresses powers are limitless because they possess innate magic (as seen in "Angel Wing" where Rinoa casts a flurry of magics without cost). Para-magic, which the rest of the party (and all non-sorceresses) uses is finite.

I would have to side with Ultimecia.
All the FFVII fanboys agree that Could would whoop Sephiroth. Well Ultimecia would simply create a GF based on the strongest being in Sephiroths mind and junction it to herself
That GF would be Cloud XD

But on a more serious note, she would absorb him into time.
Sure Sephiroth keeps coming back, but he also keeps getting his ass kicked. Also having omnipotent time magic (and magic in general), Ultimecia could easily increase her speed for those who think she is too slow.

But like a lot of people say its hard to judge. Sephiroth who is king of physical attacks (lets face it his magical attacks are somewhat lame) against Ultimecia of limitless magic.
Its a little difficult to compare

[T.G. Oskar]

Have you ever thought the repercussions of "unmaking you before you were even born?" Ultimecia can do that, definitely. One way or another, of course.

Again, stating what the former poster said: where in tarnation do they explain Jenova is a deity? I'll be going further and bolder: is Jenova capable of facing even half of a deity like the Great Hyne was? As far as I reckon, Hyne isn't much of a deity, yet he has a greater chance of being a deity than Jenova could ever do. Jenova is, to be precise, a cancer.

So, Jenova's cells do not automatically grant deity status, much like having cells of a god would grant you immortality or the like. Just try cutting the flesh and muscles of a god!! It should be normally impossible!!! However, given that Hyne could be pretty much a deity, and Ultimecia holds the entirety of his power in the future she lives, it can be safer to say Ultimecia wins that round.

Now, how does Sephiroth becomes "capable of returning over and over"? The thing is, this relies less on his "latent deity heritage" and more on his inability to accept defeat. He cannot accept he will be defeated, becoming just a memory of a bad time. He bends the Lifestream to his will, as he has a high amount of will.

But, there's another problem there. Notice how Aeris can actually be considered a real goddess? And, because of her nature, she is pretty much the antithesis of what Seph stands for. AND, canonically, Sephiroth has only resurfaced TWICE. Kingdom Hearts appearances are fan fodder; those are meant to please those rabid fanboys. So...not much of a constant reappearance in there So, speaking on terms of his "reappearing ability", you can say either Aeris stops him from resurfacing, or Ulti just traps him in time. Since...she pretty much, at full Time Compression, can trap anyone in time?

Which brings us to the nature of their powers. Sephiroth is capable of using magic, yeah. Ultimecia is the master of her magic style, and her specialization is one of the most dangerous ones: Time Magic. Aside from perhaps summoning Supernova or Sin Harvest at full power, Sephiroth is limited to whatever spells are already in existence. Ultimecia can pretty much invent new spells, given that she has all of the power of a possible god of magic. Plus create summons, and junction herself to them. Thinking on a battle, the only way Seph could win would be interrupting Ulti's spells, and when you are facing a master of Time Magic, what can you expect?

Simple. Time Stop -> Buff -> Time Stop -> Buff -> Time Stop -> Delayed Spellcasting -> Slow Time -> Quicken Spell -> Chain Spell. So, ask me again how Seph can defeat a being that has capabilities of bending time to her will, when he is unable to escape the passage of time? Unless Sephy suddenly develops timespace awareness, which would be akin to cheating...

And let's face it, something I would recommend Sephy's fanboys is to stop thinking like a munchkin (aka, thinking Seph would win any battle by giving him abilities he does not have.) For I don't think he has deific powers, or timespace awareness, or even able to summon Meteor at will. If Sephy has the ability to summon Meteor at will but Ultimecia is unable to commence Time Compression, then we're on serious trouble. But...then again, if Meteor has to progress through time, what can you say that Ultimecia just can't teleport out of the area, given that she can bend time?

If you want an idea of how Ultimecia's powers work (this is a recent one), think Hiro from Heroes. His ability? Manipulate the time stream. Hence, he can stop time, slow time, travel through time, reverse time, and teleport through space since he can travel from one point of time to another by bending the time stream. So...if we claim, which would be a correct claim, that Ulti can manipulate time, wouldn't she be able to do the same? And, those powers are quite much devastating even to Squall and team, let alone AVALANCHE or Sephiroth or Zack or Angeal. Heck, even other final bosses have a problem with that!! Zeromus could defeat her as he devours magic, which would cause a problem with Ulti, plus he works with space. Kefka MIGHT have a chance, given that he is one full god of magic, but only if Ulti offers a sliver of time where Kefka can start his own suite of Time Magic skills, then it becomes a pure battle of magic by disregarding time. Chaos would simply disregard the rigidity of time by applying pure chaos.

Sephy...erm, I think not... Besides, we all know he loves using his Masamune more than his magic. It's not like he'll automatically change his combat style to "oh, I must use Stop on her before she even makes a move!!" Sephy isn't that smart, methinks. Maybe he DOES, but then again, by the moment he begins using that, he would realize Ulti is ages ahead on her strategy.

Plus, manipulating people through time...wouldn't that mean she could manipulate Lucrecia into having an abortion? Or command Hojo to suicide? Or even worse, BOTH things? Yep, when I speak of "unmaking before you were even born", I speak of this. No matter how much Jenova's cells are within you, if you aren't capable of being born, it's pretty much useless.

So yeah, sad for you Sephy fanboys, but Ulti wins this without any difficulty. Seph is a pushover for her.