FFVI vs. FFVII!!

[Crazy Chocobo]

Out of both of those games, I prefer Final Fantasy VI. In my opinion FFVII is an overrated game. Everybody loves it and goes on about it most of the time. Yes, it's a good game but it's not the greatest game of all time or anything.

Final Fantasy VI had a great storyline that I found entertaining all the way through. Final Fantasy VII had its moments but I tended to get uninterested every now and then. The characters in VI were very unique and I liked them all. I didn't like all the characters in VII, Yuffie and Cait Sith were very annoying in my opinion. Kefka was a great villain because he was just so evil and his laugh was just great. Sephiroth was a great villain also but I just thought Kefka was better at it. Kefka acted like a real maniac at times and it was pretty funny to see.

The music in VI was beautiful. I loved most of the songs in the game. VII had some wonderful songs too but I think VI had better songs overall.

Those are just my opinions, don't get mad at me! I love both games but I just like VI more.

[Omega]

Originally Posted by Griffith

I think you're kind of pushing Square Enix's buttons by saying that cause how much money more would they have to use to add those scenes AND how much delay in time would they have to give? It's like the new Harry Potter movie. I read the book and was awfully pissed about a lot of shit they didn't add and rearranged, but it all comes down to 'how much money you can use' to add and subtract so and such. Sure Cloud's whole wheel chair thing was rather gay, even I admit that, but to just say FF7 is a fanlisting of people like myself is a bit too opinionated. I prefer 7 by many means and not just because of Sephiroth being a badass, even if he didn't accomplish his goal NOT MANY BAD GUYS DO! It was stereotyped, yes, SOME of the characters were not so well developed, but it couldn't be helped.

Yes, thank you Telegraph this statement is total crap. I'm being too opinionated...what the hell does that even mean? Because of the fact that you have a theory would have had to put more money into actually developing Vincent's storyline. That's total BS, some extra text here or there would not have been that hard to do, and involving him in the ending if you get him, even alternate endings if you have him and Yuffie in the game would not have been overly difficult. Friggin Chrono Trigger has like 20 endings or something based upon who's in the party and who's not, so don't tell me there budget was hurting because of making FF VII. They simply didn't take the necessary time to develop him and that's a fact.

Originally Posted by Griffith

Besides, there was ALSO a game Square made with Vincent as the main character, can't remember it's name but it came out awhile ago. If you want more story go check out that, but don't hate FF7 for the fanboys/girls. My personal opinion about 7 is that I found a lot of the characters annoying and even at times I was a bit bored. But there was ALWAYS something to do in that game, and the ways you had to get the limit breaks or ultimate weapons was decently difficult. I actually think FF8 has the best story of them all, but I'm a romance sucker. But still, FF7 had a great advanced story that was just not THAT simple. The characters are still lovable no matter how much story they are given. (Though if you would've done Yuffie's side-quest it actually went indepth with hers, and there are bits of other stories for other characters).

Don't matter even if there is another game, that game isn't Final Fantasy VII, it's a spin off that actually is an attempt at telling more of the story on Vincent, because they know they didn't do it for sh*t in FF VII.

Secondly I did do Yuffie's side quest, her character has some interaction in that main scene, and a bit during the Midgar scene. But she goes very shadowed throughout the game with little to no input into the actual events going on in the world. Aside from her home town, there really wasn't much of a Yuffie story.

Originally Posted by Griffith

Plus this isn't a thread to tell which game got something first, it's just a thread to simply say your opinion without getting into "Hey your wrong" argument like that seems to happen a lot around here. Most people should just say "I liked this" and give why, but don't diss others opinions. I respect everyones opinion here and I have no insulted anyone, even if someone might feel offended. Aeris and Cait Sith are the most useless characters ever too btw.

I don't know what you're trying to state here, I didn't insult anyone either, I gave my opinion and left it at that. You are saying I'm too "opinionated", while I'm telling you straight up that your theory on too much money and time needed for Vincent development is bs and a terrible excuse that you don't even know is true.

Ladies and gentlemen, read my prior post about FF VII fanboys and the part where people love Sephiroth for his FMV's solely. Then look at this members avatar and sig. I rest my case...

[hellbred]

personally, i'm wondering why everyone thinks that VII had underdeveloped characters compared to that of III? i'm playing VII through for the 3rd time now, and i'm still amazed, almost 10 years later, how well the story and characters were compiled.

edit: i guess it also determines which party you chose, because i personally never leveled yuffie or cait sith, but used everyone else pretty regularly. it's probably harder to get all the characters as involved with the story considering FF3 allowed 4 members per party, and FF7 only allows 3.

[Blacksmith]

Originally Posted by Cobain

Yes, thank you Telegraph this statement is total crap. I'm being too opinionated...what the hell does that even mean? Because of the fact that you have a theory would have had to put more money into actually developing Vincent's storyline. That's total BS, some extra text here or there would not have been that hard to do, and involving him in the ending if you get him, even alternate endings if you have him and Yuffie in the game would not have been overly difficult. Friggin Chrono Trigger has like 20 endings or something based upon who's in the party and who's not, so don't tell me there budget was hurting because of making FF VII. They simply didn't take the necessary time to develop him and that's a fact.

Don't matter even if there is another game, that game isn't Final Fantasy VII, it's a spin off that actually is an attempt at telling more of the story on Vincent, because they know they didn't do it for sh*t in FF VII.

LMAO! Being too opinionated simply states you are, for one, bashing FF7 fanboys/girls because of a wittle game you don't like, and two, just because Square is a large company doesn't mean it was SUPER RICH back then to add such elements. I'm sure in thinking of character development they did not think Yuffie or some of the other side-characters to have that deep of a back-story within the game. Besides, it was mainly about Cloud anyway. Oh and with these new graphics, (during there time), consider how much new technology would cost? Seriously, for a three disc game and for godsake how many hours of gameplay it has to say they didn't do shit is just more bullshit from yourself.

Originally Posted by Cobain

Secondly I did do Yuffie's side quest, her character has some interaction in that main scene, and a bit during the Midgar scene. But she goes very shadowed throughout the game with little to no input into the actual events going on in the world. Aside from her home town, there really wasn't much of a Yuffie story.

I made her an example, but I never said if you wanted her ENTIRE backround story you could do this side-quest. But hers did give more information than others.

Originally Posted by Cobain

I don't know what you're trying to state here, I didn't insult anyone either, I gave my opinion and left it at that. You are saying I'm too "opinionated", while I'm telling you straight up that your theory on too much money and time needed for Vincent development is bs and a terrible excuse that you don't even know is true.

I never said you insulted anyone pal, I was STATING that too many threads around here turn into arguements of who's right and wrong, which is stupid. You don't like FF7 because of all this? Too bad get over it.

Originally Posted by Cobain

Ladies and gentlemen, read my prior post about FF VII fanboys and the part where people love Sephiroth for his FMV's solely. Then look at this members avatar and sig. I rest my case...

Oh and I'm actually being nice about this, so giving me this bullshit is just childish dude. OMG! LOOK AT HIM! HE LIKES THE FMV'S FROM SEPHIROTH SO THAT MAKES HIM A BIASED DUMBASS! Seriously, get off my nuts you tightass FF7 fanboy/girl hater. You completely took my post wrong so now your panties are twisting so tight I'm sure your face is turning purple.

Now about Telegraphs post, I am glad you actually made an effort to not resort in indirect insults like Mr. Childish Cobain over here, but I NEVER said he was wrong for wishing they could add more storyline to the other characters. I PERSONALLY wish they could, but if he could go to the Square Enix headquaters and ASK them why they didn't give them much story like FF6 did or any other games, he will get the same answer. Besides, Vincent and Yuffie were SIDE quest characters, you didn't HAVE to get them meaning what importance they really have makes no difference.

I'm done with this shit, you can call me whatever you want and bash me for whatever means you wish. Have fun Cobain talking to a ghost cause I'm not coming back to this thread, if you'd like to talk to me about this issue from without of the thread go ahead and PM, but your little raid isn't much to go with. FF6 was definitely more rounded for character development, but 7 if you kind of take a closer look they were partially going for one thing...gameplay experience. With so many things to do, including little quest to get certain items, some times you don't care that much about the side-characters. Good day to you, feel free to quote apart my post and bash me again because you got e-problems, byes.

[Omega]

Originally Posted by Griffith

LMAO! Being too opinionated simply states you are, for one, bashing FF7 fanboys/girls because of a wittle game you don't like, and two, just because Square is a large company doesn't mean it was SUPER RICH back then to add such elements. I'm sure in thinking of character development they did not think Yuffie or some of the other side-characters to have that deep of a back-story within the game. Besides, it was mainly about Cloud anyway. Oh and with these new graphics, (during there time), consider how much new technology would cost? Seriously, for a three disc game and for godsake how many hours of gameplay it has to say they didn't do shit is just more bullshit from yourself.

First of all, you've got E-problems, I'm going to report you for trolling because that's exactly what you're doing here with your post.

Too opinionated makes absolutely no sense, the pure definition would mean one having too many opinions on a subject, perhaps even conflicting with themselves. To which I don't, I have a few "reasons" as to why I think the game is not as good as VI and one opinion on the subject. Please don't speak if you are going to talk like a retard.

I'm not bashing anyone for a game they like, you are the perfect example of what I said though, you're a Sephiroth Fanboy and your avatar and sig represent exactly what I said. The only reason why you're so pissed is because you know I'm right.

YOU DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY DIDN'T DEVELOP YUFFIE OR VINCENT FOR THE REASONS OF MONEY, YOU ARE ASSUMING...BECAUSE LAST TIME WE CHECKED YOU DON'T FU*KING WORK FOR SQUARE ENIX. I know it's bullsh*t though, how do I know that? Because I have a magazine published a few years back that tells me the sales of all the Final Fantasy Games in just the main series alone, the only time they went down in sales from the previous game was either FF V or FF VIII. There is no reason to suspect with there games selling multiple copies that money would be the problem, especially after a highly selling copy like FF VI.

Three Disc Crap, it was more like 2-Disc, the only thing different in the third disc was the Final Dungeon, everything else was pretty much accessible at that point. They could have added alot more content and if you don't know that, you don't know anything about the technology they use.

Originally Posted by Griffith

I made her an example, but I never said if you wanted her ENTIRE backround story you could do this side-quest. But hers did give more information than others.

Yes, her's gave more than others, but aside from her side-quest there was nothing else for the rest of the game. It's like playing with a robot, no story to it whatsoever, aside from where it was born or hometown.

Originally Posted by Griffith

I never said you insulted anyone pal, I was STATING that too many threads around here turn into arguements of who's right and wrong, which is stupid. You don't like FF7 because of all this? Too bad get over it.

No, you get over it. I don't have a problem that you like the game, you're the one wetting your pants because I don't like it. So you get over it.

Originally Posted by Griffith

Oh and I'm actually being nice about this, so giving me this bullshit is just childish dude. OMG! LOOK AT HIM! HE LIKES THE FMV'S FROM SEPHIROTH SO THAT MAKES HIM A BIASED DUMBASS! Seriously, get off my nuts you tightass FF7 fanboy/girl hater. You completely took my post wrong so now your panties are twisting so tight I'm sure your face is turning purple.

You are a troll, and you have flames all over that post, so don't even try to say you're being nice here. You're a fanboy, a hypocrite, a flamer, and just plain ignorant. There is no bullshit there girly, you're sig and avatar prove my point. I did not insult you, I simply pointed out what I had previously said prior to your hypocrite post(before this one) and then said look at his avatar and sig, allowing people to draw there own conclusions from there. The obvious conclusions that what I said is true.

I didn't say you were a biased dumbass, you said that yourself, but if the shoe fits, wear it.

I'm not on your nutz you delinquent jackass flamer. "FF 7 Fanboy/girl hater" < did you actually just type that? ...roflmao

I didn't take your post wrong you halfwit, your a hypocrite that says others are too opinionated yet you retort with saying things to which you don't have proof whether they are true or not. If anyone's panties are in a bunch, I'd say there probably in your throat about now.

Originally Posted by Griffith

Now about Telegraphs post, I am glad you actually made an effort to not resort in indirect insults like Mr. Childish Cobain over here, but I NEVER said he was wrong for wishing they could add more storyline to the other characters. I PERSONALLY wish they could, but if he could go to the Square Enix headquaters and ASK them why they didn't give them much story like FF6 did or any other games, he will get the same answer. Besides, Vincent and Yuffie were SIDE quest characters, you didn't HAVE to get them meaning what importance they really have makes no difference.

I never insulted you, and you flamed me and insulted me once again in your post.

For the 3rd or 4th time, you don't know that SE would give the same answer, in fact just shut the hell up about it, YOU CAN'T PROVE IT and THEY HAD THE MONEY!!

Originally Posted by Griffith

I'm done with this shit, you can call me whatever you want and bash me for whatever means you wish. Have fun Cobain talking to a ghost cause I'm not coming back to this thread, if you'd like to talk to me about this issue from without of the thread go ahead and PM, but your little raid isn't much to go with. FF6 was definitely more rounded for character development, but 7 if you kind of take a closer look they were partially going for one thing...gameplay experience. With so many things to do, including little quest to get certain items, some times you don't care that much about the side-characters. Good day to you, feel free to quote apart my post and bash me again because you got e-problems, byes.

Oh no...please come back, please post more of your hypocritcal sh*t that you can't prove, because you're a FF VII fanboy/girl and I'm an FF VII fanboy/girl hater lmao. Please don't leave this thread, where will find another fanboy to come here with BS excuses saying why they didn't give Yuffie and Vincent more in depth backstories?

I never bashed you in the first place, I said you previous post was bullsh*t because it was, you are the one who bashed me. My advice, don't smoke crack.

[neoistheone]

Well I never played Final Fantasy VI. But well I did get pretty far in Final Fantasy VII before my brother decided to be an ass and delete my file. So well from my experience with Final Fantasy VII. it was just really cool. Awesome story. Along with really cool characters. Not the best graphics but the game was just so cool that it didn't really matter. Along with it having the two best characters in all Final Fantasy games-Cloud and Sephiroth. I mean when people think about Final Fantasy most would think about either one of them. I mean I had alot of fun in Final Fantasy VII. Very long storyline which was cool. And so much to do and discover.

[Sasquatch]

Originally Posted by neoistheone

Well I never played Final Fantasy VI. ... Along with it having the two best characters in all Final Fantasy games-Cloud and Sephiroth.

For future reference... Next time you talk about "the best" of anything, make sure you compare it to all the others in the same subject, would you? And if you haven't played the other game which this specific topic is a discussion of, don't pipe in with "this is better, but I don't know anything about that".

The Chicago Bears were a good team this past year. Took the Division, easily. But certainly not the best team in football. Unless you ignored all the other, better teams. Like you're doing.

[King Fenii]

Wow, you just tried to trash him for just one statement. What he's probably trying to say is that Cloud and Sephiroth are the most memorable. Also for a reason. If it were Terra and Kefka, he would've played FFVI, just because of all the comotion.

Indeed he made the mistake of saying something was the best. But he did a good job just stating something about FFVII without comparing it to FFVI, as he couldn't.

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Now to get on with the previous discussion:

Originally Posted by Cobain

Because of the fact that you have a theory would have had to put more money into actually developing Vincent's storyline. That's total BS, some extra text here or there would not have been that hard to do, and involving him in the ending if you get him, even alternate endings if you have him and Yuffie in the game would not have been overly difficult. Friggin Chrono Trigger has like 20 endings or something based upon who's in the party and who's not, so don't tell me there budget was hurting because of making FF VII. They simply didn't take the necessary time to develop him and that's a fact.

Well, having like 20 endings is great and all, but it was the final period of time on the SNES. Meaning developers had found every little technique in making a game almost perfect. It isn't as hard to make multiple endings in a 2D game as it is in a 3D game. If you were to put Vincent and/or Yuffie in the ending, you would have to make seperate FMV's. That would've taken TOO long. What you stated on the development of Vincent is false. They brought out the Dirge of Cerberus, and they clarified a lot about the characters. Okay, maybe in the game, he wasn't so detailed; BIG DEAL!! Some things, I think, should be left blank, it makes it more fun for the player as well.

And about Yuffie...she's 16 for christ's sake, what story does she need to have? How much should anyone have been through in 16 years, the story was good enough. The character argument is a bit sloppy here, don't try to use the same argument over again. The characters were nicely done, some less then others, but still clear enough.

Originally Posted by Griffith

Oh and I'm actually being nice about this, so giving me this bullshit is just childish dude. OMG! LOOK AT HIM! HE LIKES THE FMV'S FROM SEPHIROTH SO THAT MAKES HIM A BIASED DUMBASS! Seriously, get off my nuts you tightass FF7 fanboy/girl hater. You completely took my post wrong so now your panties are twisting so tight I'm sure your face is turning purple.

THIS, is just wrong. How does that help in convincing someone? It only shows you are offended by something. And personally; Would people stop using the word FFVII fanboy/girl? It's actually quite annoying. I've never heard anyone say FFVI fanboy or such.

ANYWAY -
It's hard to talk seriously if people get all upset at eachother. Especially if you look at the fact they're both Final Fantasies. I mean, it's our favorite series for cryin' out loud. It would be stupid to cuss at another FF...just stupid. Well...let us continue nonetheless...

Originally Posted by Cobain

My advice, don't smoke crack

Yeah, mine too...

[Palazzo]

And about Yuffie...she's 16 for christ's sake, what story does she need to have? How much should anyone have been through in 16 years, the story was good enough.

Relm was 10 years old and had a decent enough story.

Vivi was 9 years old and had a very good story.

Eiko was 6 and had a good story.

[Taco]

Originally Posted by Inferno Mage

Indeed he made the mistake of saying something was the best. But he did a good job just stating something about FFVII without comparing it to FFVI, as he couldn't.

The point is that he shouldn't have said anything in a comparrison thread, if he doesn't know anything about the other game his game is being compared to. He has no experience with the one game, so his opinion is not complete. And just because everybody talks about Cloud and Sephiroth all the time; does that make them the best characters of any Final Fantasy, or does it just make them the most popular characters of any Final Fantasy?

Originally Posted by Inferno Mage

Well, having like 20 endings is great and all, but it was the final period of time on the SNES. Meaning developers had found every little technique in making a game almost perfect. It isn't as hard to make multiple endings in a 2D game as it is in a 3D game. If you were to put Vincent and/or Yuffie in the ending, you would have to make seperate FMV's. That would've taken TOO long.

Too bad. Even if time was an issue with