Lay down your arms...

Unknown Entity · 07-01-2008, 10:24 AM

BBC NEWS | England | London | Hundreds march for stabbed youth

How much more blood needs to be spilled in the world, before stupid, gun and knife weilding teens concentrate more on their future, than on protecting Post Codes, killing people in petty arugments, tormenting the old, and damn right ****king the world up?

40-50 teens where killed last year, and another (I think the stats were) 37 this year so far have died because of this. Its sick. What? Are you gonna kill someone cos they were playing in "your" swing park? Pfft! Its a ****ing public area you dipsh*t! Gonna kill someone in E8 because they are from N1? E8 and N1 are postal areas, so postmen know where to deliver letters you ass wipe! JEESE!

What could bring someone to take a life? The thought of their blood on your hands... That life in your head?

Seriously, why do people feel the need to carry knifes? If NO ONE carried a knife, why would you still need a knife? Whats wrong with using your fists? Oh no, cos fists take longer in taking away a life? Its this that makes me angry... Parents not being able to control their kids, and allowing the street to bring them up - like its the best way...

What are your thoughts about this?

Anomaly · 07-01-2008, 10:32 AM

Take away guns and people will kill you with knives. Take away knives and they'll use forks. Take away forks and they'll damn well use bricks.

It doesn't bother me really. Natural selection never does. It's cruel, but the kind of people that are usually involved in this violence are exactly the kind of people that do not need to be a part of society. Be it elimination through death or through going to jail for being the cause of anothers death, we should be if not happy, then relieved by these numbers. We should keep them in mind as a reminder to safe-guard our own children.

InfiniteRealms · 07-01-2008, 10:59 AM

The problem is that the gangster style of life is becoming ever more 'cool', so more people are trying to seem like a 'gangtsa', and then they decide that their gang needs a home, so they now must 'own' this area, and if any other gang comes in then its a violation of some kind of twisted code of honour, and needs to be dealt with - or killed, as we know it.

Its disgusting, sick and wrong, but its what society is turning into.

addrew · 07-01-2008, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Anomaly

Take away guns and people will kill you with knives. Take away knives and they'll use forks. Take away forks and they'll damn well use bricks.

It doesn't bother me really. Natural selection never does. It's cruel, but the kind of people that are usually involved in this violence are exactly the kind of people that do not need to be a part of society. Be it elimination through death or through going to jail for being the cause of anothers death, we should be if not happy, then relieved by these numbers. We should keep them in mind as a reminder to safe-guard our own children.

Sorry but we should be happy or releived that members of the same race as us have died? To me that seems pretty rong. Only should someone be killed if they are sentanced for death for very serious offensies. Things like killing lots of people. But why should we be releived or happy that someones family have lost there brother or son, or there father or mother or sister. The fact that that makes you happy or releived is dam right rong if you ask me.

And if you take away guns they kill with knoves, and if you take away knives they kill with forks?. Sorry but thats not true. What we should do is teach people just what knives can do. We need to give tougher sentances to teens. At the moment teens get a lower penalty then men do for carrying fire arms or knives. If our nation is turning into a nation of stabbing and shooting then why dont we treat men and teens the same way, after all isnt that what most teens want at the end of the day? To be treated like adults.

But the thing which i think mainly increases stabbings and shootings is our goverment. And its 'Nanny Nation' idea it seems to have stuck in its heads. Every year rules get stricter. 20 years ago you could go pot holing at school with virtualy no films to fill in. Nowa days you have to fill in forms detailing exactly every single way you could be injured or killed. This is what makes our teens rebeilious. What they can do freely is getting smaller and tighter and the goverment thinks its becuase were not being strict enough.

Unknown Entity · 07-01-2008, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Anomaly

Take away guns and people will kill you with knives. Take away knives and they'll use forks. Take away forks and they'll damn well use bricks.

It doesn't bother me really. Natural selection never does. It's cruel, but the kind of people that are usually involved in this violence are exactly the kind of people that do not need to be a part of society. Be it elimination through death or through going to jail for being the cause of anothers death, we should be if not happy, then relieved by these numbers. We should keep them in mind as a reminder to safe-guard our own children.

You will change you're mind when while on the way home from school/work/shop one day, you see some one lying on their front with 4 inch long, 1/2 an inch deep gash's down their back. I've seen it, and when you are put in a possition to either run from a gang that is either watching your every move around their victim, or stay to put presure on the bleeding and ring an ambulance, all you can think about is saving this persons life. I wasn't the one on my hands and knees with this guy, but I was the weak one crying, and I didn't even know that guy.

Oh, and next time a guy who has been stabbed multiple times runs through the block of flats you live in, dripping blood everywhere, and having police knock on your door asking questions, I'm sure you will have a different view.

Yes, this keeps numbers down, but these are kids we are talking about. Kids that have no morals who have had the ****ing street bring them up. They end up having under-age sex which results in an under-age pregnancy, which results in a child (who'd have known?), who's parents don't know morals themselves. Then the cycle repeats with this kid on the streets, blah blah...

It being turned into a joke! I've this mobile phone wallpaper which says: "Don't hit kids. No. Seriously. They have guns now." To be fair, it was funny when I first saw it, but know this has gone beyond a stupid joke. Lives are in the balance here, and its stupid kids with guns and knives that are the pivert.

winterborn86 · 07-01-2008, 01:21 PM

Things are getting outta hand with all these gang related attacks, i hear about it almost every other week in newspapers and on the news, and i think infirniterealms is quite right in sayin that 'gangster style' is becoming a cool thing to be with teens, but its not at all.

I hate the way the world has become but unfortunatly theres not much we can do, except raise our kids the best we can in this violent crap hole of a world and hope they dont turn the way youngsters are today.

Fishie · 07-01-2008, 04:20 PM

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Originally posted by InfiniteRuins
The problem is that the gangster style of life is becoming ever more 'cool', so more people are trying to seem like a 'gangtsa', and then they decide that their gang needs a home, so they now must 'own' this area, and if any other gang comes in then its a violation of some kind of twisted code of honour, and needs to be dealt with - or killed, as we know it.

I have to disagree with you on this. Not everyone that's a gangster is out to kill people so they can be "cool". That's an ignorant statement you made.

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Originally posted by addrew
And if you take away guns they kill with knoves, and if you take away knives they kill with forks?. Sorry but thats not true. What we should do is teach people just what knives can do. We need to give tougher sentances to teens. At the moment teens get a lower penalty then men do for carrying fire arms or knives. If our nation is turning into a nation of stabbing and shooting then why dont we treat men and teens the same way, after all isnt that what most teens want at the end of the day? To be treated like adults.

I have to disagree with you as well. It's purely common sense to know it's wrong to kill someone. I agree though that the punishments for teenagers that commit murder should be taken more serious.

And BTW, I clicked that link and where does it say that's it a gang-related murder? I just don't think that some of you guys should go out and generalizing people a certain way. Anyone is possible of committing the same kind of crime. So it's not just a certain group of people.

Silver · 07-01-2008, 10:36 PM

Take away bricks, and people will harden the **** up and kill eachother with a punch or two to the head. YAY!

This is why I value a person's ability to fight. If you can't defend yourself from those who wish you harm, then what are you gonna do when you're dragged into things? It might not happen to everyone, but chances are it might in today's day and age.

As for why people get so hostile to others for seemingly no reason, it's really any number of reasons. They might be poor or want drug money and see you as having some money or pawnable items, they might be mentally handicapped and screwed over by the health system... Or they could just be 'gangsta' wannabes wanting to make themselves feel like real men. There's a ton of reasons.

There are some real bag eggs out there in some places. You've either gotta be very careful, good at running and alert to your surroundings, or just know how to defend yourself.

InfiniteRealms · 07-02-2008, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Fishie

I have to disagree with you on this. Not everyone that's a gangster is out to kill people so they can be "cool". That's an ignorant statement you made.

I was talking out of personal experience in my area, Im sorry about making it seem like a definitin of everyone, i did not mean that, and i understand that.

What I was saying is the case of this in the slightly more rural towns or cities. Its not often anyone is seriously attacked, but the kids around here seem to take living like that as being cool.

Someone i know has had a death threat put through his front door because of this. Another was attacked, not with weapons fortunatly, because he moved someones PE kit in the changing rooms slightly

Yuki-onna · 07-02-2008, 06:59 AM

It's not the tool that kills people, it's the people that kill the people. Why? Sometimes there is no why. 99% of the time, however, it's due to poor parenting by parents, and the governments. Parents let their kids do whatever they want, the government does nothing to stop them either.

Why are these kids maiming and killing? Why resort to violence? Why do they feel they need to live like this? Are they being raised in bad environments? Are they not stimulated into intelligence, morals and values, taught respect for others and how to live a decent life?

It would seem obvious that they're not. Kids, teenagers, are impressionable, irrational, and sometimes extremely hard to contain. We've all been there or are going through that. Everyone needs discipline. If you don't get it, they turn to other things. Drugs. Sex. Violence. I blame society. No one is taking the responsibility for their children in this day. I'm ashamed of the human race, honestly.