School Suspensions and Expellsion

[Phantom]

Hey all, I just saw the news and it says that a young kid was drawing a picture of him pointed what he called "a water gun" at a friend of his. The friend's parents showed that picture to school officials and the kid was suspended from school, for 1 day! rofl. The kid's mother said that her son was not trying to harm his friend at all, he was simply playing around with him, and the mother said that if a piece of paper is a weapon to them then they just wasted a day of learning for her son. Now, do you guys think that Suspensions and Expellsions from school really teach children a lesson? When I was younger I was only suspended "once" when I was in 5th grade, I was in a fight. I was suspended for 2 days, and what did I learn from that? Nothing. Really. Do you think Suspensions work, or is just a waste of time?

[Blacksmith]

What a funny subject to bring up because I have no doubt they DON'T work worth jack shit. Bullies, fights, bringing something to school that's banned. The whole "suspension" thing will only irritate someone who will get loads of homework because of it, but like hell will it "change them for the better".

Kids these days are doing more and more of walking over everyone and giving them these slaps on the wrist just isn't going to cut. Not saying we should go back to the paddle, but this shit is just getting stupid. Teachers and principles and becoming increasingly irresponsible to their duties and are forgetting the understanding of a child/teenager while also creating new dilemmas that are ****ing ridiculous. The school system itself is losing sight of the values it stood for and will only get worse the longer this continues. That also includes school shootings. They're becoming more frequent because they're not dealing with these disturbed children the right way too. I can only hope the new president will deal with this issue accordingly.

[Sasquatch]

Unfortunately, with the "Zero Tolerance" crap in America's public schools, punishments don't mean as much as they're supposed to anyway. When children -- and I mean Elementary School students and such -- are punished harshly for simple things like drawing a picture of a gun, or pointing a chicken tender like a gun, or bringing fingernail clippers to school, or having over-the-counter medicine (all of which have resulted in heavy suspensions or expulsions in various cases), any faith left in our public school system is lost.

Then you get the schmucks who think a suspension is cool because they don't have to come to school.

Either way, they don't work. While instilling discipline is the place of the home and not the school of a child, it's obvious that that doesn't happen too much in today's society, either. But it's wrong to expect children to learn much from discipline at school, especially when it's as mixed as it is today.

[dimmufan]

Suspensions and expellations don't teach kids a lesson, well not a good one. The lesson it teaches them is "if you wanna get out of school, then do this or that to get expelled." That's not the kind of message we should be sending our kids. The lessons they learn come from their parents. If a kid gets expelled then the parents should discipline their kids for wwhat they did wrong. Except in the case that Phantom pointed out: getting expelled for water pistols is just a stupid decision on behalf of the school board.

[Dragoon_Nick]

Honestly, if anything suspensions would only result in the kid being provoked to do harsh stuff thinking that the worse that can happen is them losing a day of school. I had mine in secondary 1 (grade 7) after having beaten up some dude who put a garbage can on my head. I spent the next day doing homework and playing video games because my parents did not punish me, in fact they were mad at the school for having me around

I think this system worked well in the years were students were beaten, back then it was a sting knowing parents would flip out, nowadays its just a gust of wind. Nothing kids would be scared of.

This subject is solely dependent on the parents...whether the administer the lesson or not.

[Usagy]

Ugh retarded system in America, besides that it doesn't work anyways though.
Most kids are just "hey I get a day off, whoohoo" so honestly they don't care and it won't solve a thing. Should just amputate a finger as a punishment or something.

Peace out

[FF_FrEaK]

School expulsion is just stupid in my opinion. Oh yea they are gonna kick you out of school and that's supposed to teach you a lesson?? Get real!! If you really want to teach a lesson they should do exactly what Nick said. Give beatings! Not that I would like that you know? lol But still I think it doesnt teach us anything. If it does actually do something, it just gives us some days off lol. Who wouldnt want that?? lol

[Crazy Chocobo]

I don't think suspensions work, I remember people being suspended when I was going to high school and they seemed rather happy about it. They saw it as an extra holiday or two. Getting expelled doesn't really help either I suppose, it usually makes the child/teen become worse behavior wise. I knew a kid who got expelled but was eventually allowed to come back, he never changed at all though so it was a waste of time to begin with. They should send kids like that to a special school, like a detention center to learn. That would keep them away from the people who actually want to learn.

[Silver]

I myself have had a suspension or two. I really didn't mind them. I never really did anything with malicious intent or anything anyway, so for me they were just like a mini holiday. Hell, if you were suspended on a Monday or a Friday it became like a three day weekend.

Never got an expulsion, but even if you did, so what? There are plenty of other schools to smell up, and the law being what it is in Australia if you were expelled, they'd just have to find another way for you to become educated until you turn 16. Suspensions and expulsions might give you one lesson though. The lesson that crime does pay. We never even got homework or anything at neither my primary school nor my high school, just the day or two off...

[Athna Loveil]

Well, I think it would be just a waste of time since some inmature dosen't change after a suspension but for expellation I'm not sure if they were closely tied to their friends or something like that.

[Chez Daja]

They don't work. The education system just hasn't seen the blatantly obvious loophole in kicking a child out of school.

The only thing would probably be is that the parents get pissed off with their child for it. It's like saying "okay, we don't want to deal with your kid so we're dumping him back on you". It works for homelife, but it doesn't resolve anything in the classroom, just makes their less one student, which is then added onto the list of expulsions the school has had that year.

I guess, for the most part, it doesn't work, but in another way, it kind of does. I do think there are better ways to resolve situations where expulsion and etc are "earnt".

[Djinn]

I think they should use public humiliation for punishments that would nowadays earn you a suspension or explulsion. Grab a few Stocks, Pillory's, a Pranger and maybe crack the ol' whips out, that'd sort the trouble makers out XD.

Punishments in school's have never really worked too well since they changed them from the old days where you got brought to the front of the class and got beaten with a bat haha. I never got suspended or expelled, although i could have done on a few occasions, the most i got was detention's. Something really needs to be changed though, school's are getting too lax with their students.

[Zeromune]

No.

I should know from what goes around at my school. Do kids really care if they get in trouble? I'm not really giving a blant 'no' on that. If the person is one of those 'good kids' that rarely do anything bad, they'll regret it and etc. If it's the 'bad ones'(gotta love those terms ), give it up. Nothing'll help. What do you see the next day after that kid gets punished? Repeat. Repeat. They don't listen. Do the kids that get numerously told racism is not allowed really care if they get a one week suspension? Pfft, I doubt it. The teachers aren't much help, unless you need some help on your case of what we all love to call, 'bullies'. Expulsion on the other hand, holy cow. Maybe that is a bit off the mark, but does it really affect the kid? Okay, it does, but it doesn't change their attitude. Their parents'll ground them, ban them from stuff, etc, etc. Result is, the child gets really, really, pissed off. I'll put in the lovely term, 'good kids' back in here. They'll regret such actions. The lovely 'baddies' won't care much.

There is actually this kid in my class, who got 'expelled' last year for being a absolute...moron. No, that is not the word I was thinking of. A few months later, this year, I met him on MSN through another guy in my class that won't shut the hell up. The guy added the kid into the conversation. God no. The guy was a real racist. Kept calling me, 'lil asian', 'chinese shop owner', 'F-ing Chinese/Japanese', etc. Bloody hell. And despite the facts that I am obviously Burmese, he won't shut up. Geez. The friggin' fight only ended when a girl got added and stopped the whole argument. She left, and he left with his nice little end remark of, 'catcha lil asian'. >_>

As for what happened a few days after my birthday? I feel sorry for myself. My class teacher announced that a new student was going to come into our class. We were all excited until she said the kid's name. Naturally, I almost bursted out 'NO!'. And it just had to happen a week after my happy, happy, birthday. Oh, the horror. That, and he wasn't really 'brand spanking new' either.

My conclusion:
Suspension = Not so much a effect.
Expulsion = You're only making the child's attitude worse.

Awaiting a new method of changing bullies. This'll take a while...