America: Home of the Twisted.

[Bryan]

!!!!WARNING!!!!

THERE IS EXTREME GORE AND VIOLENT CONTENT AHEAD. THE FOLLOWING ARE ACTUAL EVENTS. IF YOU HAVE A WEAK STOMACH OR ARE EASILY OFFENDED, DO NOT CONTINUE READING BELOW THIS.






























So I was just browsing the internet when I came across the story of a nifty murder. Oddly enough, a show on some crime channel is showing this story in detail right now too. I'll give a bit more detail from what I've heard on this show after the quote.

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

Andre Melendez (c. 1963 - March 17, 1996), better known as Angel Melendez, was a Club Kid and drug dealer who lived and worked in New York, New York. He was murdered by Michael Alig and Robert "Freeze" Riggs on March 17, 1996.

Melendez and his family arrived in New York from Colombia when Melendez was eight years old. Melendez became a drug dealer during the early 1980s after he met Peter Gatien, owner of the Limelight Club in New York. Melendez became a regular dealer in Gatien's clubs. He was frequently seen at Manhattan clubs wearing his trademark feathered wings.

Melendez met Michael Alig, the famed founder of the Club Kids and the Disco 2000 party groups. Alig became an important customer, leading Melendez to the world of the Club Kids, including James St. James and DJ Keoki. Melendez was murdered by Alig and Riggs after going to Alig's apartment to collect on a bad drug debt. He was hit on the head with a hammer, restrained with duct tape and either injected with or forced to drink Drano. Later his body was dismembered and dumped in the Hudson River.

Alig went into a bit more detail about the actual killing on this show. After Alig hit Melendez in the skull with a hammer (three times) and suffocated him, he said that they covered Melendez's mouth with duct tape, removed it and poured Drano down his throat and covered his mouth back up with the duct tape to prevent and sort of stench.

Then they sawed off Melendez's legs. Alig did it for heroin because he didn't want to do it, however, for heroin, he did. After mutilating the corpse, they put Melendez's torso in a box and his legs in bags. They called for a taxi and took the corpse (and severed limbs) to the Hudson river, throwing them in.

The dismembered corpse floated in the Hudson river for several months before being discovered (by children) and the legs were never found.


So here's my question. When I read or hear a twisted story such as this, I think about how crazy it is and what I was doing at the time that it happened. Then I start thinking about what kind of sick and twisted shit is going on right now, as I type this post. Someone could be getting disemboweled out there right now...and we'll never even hear about it!

It just boggles the mind and shows how twisted humans can really be. Does anyone else think this way?

[Chez Daja]

It shames me to see how low people can sink just for drugs.

I understand that they can completely change a person beyond recognition, but there reaches a point, such as this, where it's too late to do anything about it.

I try not thing about such things these days, since it just makes me angry...

It's like a Cannibal Corpse song come to life...

There are horrible things going on as we type these things back and forth to one another... people are being murdered, tortured, raped.

It's hard to share a set view on such, I guess... It's a sick world, one of which I am utterly tired of living in when I hear stories like this.

[MiwaMiwa]

Things like make me scared to go out at night.
No, seriously.
In this day and age, man has become so perverse, it's unbelievable.
How someone can sleep at night knowing they did that to someone else is beyond me.
How can someone be so cruel as to kill another person?
And even more mindboggling, how can some get PLEASURE out of doing this?
And here's another question- why couldn't they have just shot the guy and left it at that? Did they really have to bash his skull in, and then duct tape his mouth, and THEN pur DRANO (of all things!) down his throat and then duct tape his mouth again? And then saw off all his limbs?! Why wouldn't killing have been enough? Just simple shooting if you're going to kill someone. I mean, it's horrible enough as it is, but torturing someone before dooming them to die is just disgusting and pathetic.
Ugh, that is why I am all for the death penalty. To torture these sicks ****s who like to torture others, and then kill them just like they killed their victims.

And to think, I do believe that America is the sickest country of them all.

[Tifa]

Bah. My mind is kind of drifting right now. But yeah. Brutal murder and disfiguring doesn't only happen in the present time. It happened ages ago. Of course, certain methods and/or tools could not be employed in the past since they weren't invented yet, but equally brutal things happened. And from what it seems (from the unquoted description), he was not alive when the Drano was poured down his mouth. I guess you can say at least he wasn't tortured. That much. I remember reading something about a lot of archaic torture methods ... something about pulling the fingernails off. And of course, everyone knows the supposed Iron Maiden. (EDIT: Also, there's another one that I just remembered ... exacted by townspeople. I remember something about one of the people condemned in the Salem Witch Trials being pressed to death. Pressed being, they kept putting heavier stones on top of him until he was crushed. Don't remember the historical validity of this exact instance, but I do know there is this method.)

Ah. There's also a number of people who enjoy BDSM. While it isn't "torture" to this extent, it can get pretty bad .....

As far as method of murder, they probably did not have a gun or did not want to be too noisy. And shooting a person means that the bullet (depending on what caliber it is) can be definitely traced back to the gun (the barrel and pin markings). I remember there's one type that can dissolve (not scatter) in the body. For hammers, there are many of the same "model" around and it's easily handy and regularly used. It would be harder to pinpoint the suspect based on the hammer alone. Also, they cut off his limbs because it's easier to transport bodies that way. And to spread the body parts out like that means there's a higher chance it won't be found ... animals like to scavenge and whatnot.

Anyway, as far as disfigurement, that's not too bad compared to some other things I've read. If you want to read some really fucked up shit, you'll want to check out Richard Trenton Chase. A comment by Karen Greenlee (a well-known necrophile) about this situation (sauce here):

Spoiler: Yeah, the second funeral home I worked for-- I wasn't working there at the time-- got the bodies of Chase's victims, a man and a woman and their child, so I hear the gory details of what the bodies looked like. They were really butchered. They were disemboweled with shit stuffed in their mouths. Chase started by killing animals and drinking their blood and when he wasn't satisfied with that he graduated to people. He killed this couple, then kidnapped their child, killed it and later threw it in a trash can. The mortician who embalmed the bodies said he hardly ever got queasy about anything, but he got sick when he saw those bodies!

Ah, I used to know so much more on the topic ... haven't been reading up lately I guess. At the mention of torture before death, I've been trying to recall this one case about this girl who was tortured by her adoptive family before dying ... I'll see if I can find it again. And I suppose I'm desensitized to this crap after reading a lot of it. And 4chan, of course (lol guro / ogrish). Anyway, America isn't the only country whose citizens can kill / torture people you know ...


EDIT: Also, the death penalty is meant to painlessly kill someone. They use a mixture of something to paralyze, anesthesia and some other toxin so that they don't move while they die. There's a lot of issues over this though, since Europe, etc., doesn't like the fact that America still uses death penalty ... and there apparantly isn't the right mixture when they use it since supposedly the dying can feel the pain but can't show it. Hay sup thar 5100 get.

[Fishie]

Holy shut dude. That really sounds crazy. Sometimes my curiosity gets the best of me. Anyways when I read this kind of stuff, it gives you an image of what the corpse looks like and its awful. I don't see why people have to go to that extreme over things such as drugs like Chez mentioned.

Its even crazy that some of these cases are never even solved. Some people get away with it and its definitely a mystery. Sometimes I think that way as if what I was doing when shit like this happens sometimes. Its really sad that we human beings have so much potential and have the mind to do horrible things like this.

I've never actually seen a corpse in real life and if I did, it'd probably one hell of an experience.

[Yuki-onna]

Richard Trenton...oh my, what a naughty man.

If I think of all the naughty things people do, I weep forcefully into my pillow.

Well, not really. There's a lot of sick ****s in the world, and nothing to do about them other than lock them away forever and hope for redemption.
I feel sorry for them and the people they hurt.
And that's all.

[Chez Daja]

Originally Posted by Fishie

I've never actually seen a corpse in real life and if I did, it'd probably one hell of an experience.

I have... To be fair, dude, it's not that bad.

They look like they're sleeping. And trust me, dead bodies that I've seen have not been lain in coffins and propped to look peaceful, although there one that was on a hospital bed, so... that wasn't as bad.
Above all, you just feel sorry for the person that died. I kissed the forehead of one of the corpses in respect once, and somebody thought it was a "creepy" thing to do.

Blood and guts aren't a big deal, but the stench... Oh my God... It's enough to make you sick...

[Bryan]

Actually, I found it quite horrid. I've driven by really bad car accidents that had recently taken place and the meat wagon wasn't there yet. What do they do with the bodies? Place a sheet over them in the road and wait, flagging traffic around the wreck before they close the road off.

To give a better description, check this out...

Originally Posted by Mortuary science website

When a body dies, it does so slowly. A shot through the heart immediately stops blood flow, and the brain ceases to function a few minutes later. But cells of muscle, skin, and bone live on--dying only when metabolic waste products build up, sometimes days later.
Upon death, the body temperature begins to drop at about 2.5 degrees F an hour. The muscles relax, and the skin sags into new shapes. Blood settles in body parts closest to the ground, turning the top grayish white and darkening the underside, except where pressed to the ground. The resulting liver-colored stain, liver mortis, is most pronounced about 10 hours after death.
Within 6 hours, rigor mortis sets in: The eyelids stiffen, then the neck and jaw, and finally the remaining muscles. (The reason, still poorly understood, is probably a combination of chemical shifts and protein coagulation.) After roughly a day, the muscles slowly relax again in the same sequence that they stiffened.
Meanwhile, bacteria have eaten through the gut. The first sign is usually a greenish patch marbling blood vessels on the lower right belly. The putrefaction spreads across the stomach, down the thighs, over the chest. The skin changes to olive to eggplant to black. The bacteria produce gas that bulges the eyes, protrudes the tongue, and pushes blood-stained fluid from orifaces. That's why coffins are constructed with lids that can burp.
A week after death finds the skin loosened and covered with large, putrid blisters. hand skin can slough off like a glove, taking the fingerprints with it.
A few weeks later, the hair, teeth, and nails begin to loosen, sometimes to fall out. Some of the organs start to liquefy; others, such as the prostate, may remain intact for a year.
Exposed to the elements in the heat of summer, a body can be reduced to a skeleton in only a month. Burried 6 feet down, even without a coffin, skeletonization normally requires a decade more.

What this left out was the more grim facts about death. Such as when you die, moments after, all muscles relax. The initial impact of death causes your muscles to tense up and then moments after, your muscles will loosen, causing involuntary bowel and bladder movement. In most cases, the corpse's eye lids will open about half way. If you relax your eyes now, you'll find that they will go to the half open state. This is the natural position of the eye lids. In death, the eyelids and all muscles will retreat to this state.

[Tifa]

Lol, there was a particularly bad car accident where a girl's skull was pretty much cleaved in half and the body was sliding from the car wreck (I think it was a pretty expensive car too ... she was taking it out for a spin without her parents permission, I believe). There were pictures of it and they all spread on the internet, and there were lawsuits about removing it. I forget her name, and /b/ is being an ass and not giving me name sauce. But the pictures were REALLY bad ... still, a lot of people took an interest in it. I guess it's not so bad if you just see pictures, rather than the real gory mess. *shrug*

Eh. With the internet, everything basically becomes desensitized and there's a lot less respect for the dead.

The issue of this thread is the lack of respect for the actual body. When you donate your body to science, if it is used in anatomy labs etc, the body is made so that pretty much every part is used. Students treat the body parts with respect, but the image can be just as macabre ... this of course, contrasts when you have someone like Richard Trenton Chase who stuffs intestines in the mouth of the deceased. But generally speaking it makes people sick anyway. Which is why I have a lot of respect for people who can successfully go through as completely certified and trained surgeons , or morticians, etc. I'd actually like to go in person to see an autopsy or something though ...


As far as the description given below, it's relatively accurate but badly written IMO. It jumps around a lot and it's a little confusing to keep up with the processes, which start at death but really start showing at different intervals and progress with different speeds ... especially based on the weather, which I feel they should've mentioned first. I'd include an excerpt from my book, but my RA has it at the moment.

[Melanie]

Originally Posted by Alucard

!!!!WARNING!!!!

THERE IS EXTREME GORE AND VIOLENT CONTENT AHEAD. THE FOLLOWING ARE ACTUAL EVENTS. IF YOU HAVE A WEAK STOMACH OR ARE EASILY OFFENDED, DO NOT CONTINUE READING BELOW THIS.






























So I was just browsing the internet when I came across the story of a nifty murder. Oddly enough, a show on some crime channel is showing this story in detail right now too. I'll give a bit more detail from what I've heard on this show after the quote.



Alig went into a bit more detail about the actual killing on this show. After Alig hit Melendez in the skull with a hammer (three times) and suffocated him, he said that they covered Melendez's mouth with duct tape, removed it and poured Drano down his throat and covered his mouth back up with the duct tape to prevent and sort of stench.

Then they sawed off Melendez's legs. Alig did it for heroin because he didn't want to do it, however, for heroin, he did. After mutilating the corpse, they put Melendez's torso in a box and his legs in bags. They called for a taxi and took the corpse (and severed limbs) to the Hudson river, throwing them in.

The dismembered corpse floated in the Hudson river for several months before being discovered (by children) and the legs were never found.


So here's my question. When I read or hear a twisted story such as this, I think about how crazy it is and what I was doing at the time that it happened. Then I start thinking about what kind of sick and twisted shit is going on right now, as I type this post. Someone could be getting disemboweled out there right now...and we'll never even hear about it!

It just boggles the mind and shows how twisted humans can really be. Does anyone else think this way?

Watch Party Monster or read Bloodbath Disco by James St. James. Michael and James wrote it to tell their side of the story. Don't forget all their drug parties in the 80's and their own drugged out movies. It's one of my favorite movies, regardless. It's got Seth Green and it was made in 2001. Find it, watch it, love it. The soundtrack is grand.

So, uh, Gacy raped boys and buried them in his basement. He's special.