Final Fantasy XII Leaked

[geordanuk]

yeah i think everyone would agree with you Mako but also people have waited for a new FF story so the people are also a bit peeved and Square should think more about there customers but hey you never know they might be a bit delayed to add tons of features and stuff i hope so and they arent wasting my time and others

[postalblowfish7]

Originally Posted by Leonarc

Lawlz, in this day and age "leaks" are not so uncommon. Eventually the gaming market are going to have people downloading, burning, and getting them all free without paying. Then again you can't blame them when a game is 50 bucks (some times 60) for which is basically a 3rd or less of a paycheck from the common gamer.

pssshhh wtf ever

you can blame them. downloading shit like this is never excusable. i don't care if you have to wait for it to be translated blah blah boo hoo BFD. if shit like this continues there will be no money to make these amazing games that everyone drools over. pirating FFXII is not cool - the game is $50 because it cost MILLIONS to make. if everyone starts downloading SE games assuming that enough people will buy it, soon there will be no money left to develop better games in the future, and games will cost a lot more than $50 believe me.

not only that, but if this trend continues we're going to look at console companies looking for ways to get people to legally download their shit, and then we'll see the decline of packaged art and software spines - the same way that iTunes is killing the CD. FUCK THAT.

if you're a carefree FFXII pirate you don't support S-E, care about the future of final fantasy, or have any clue as to how capitalism works. you're just another 1337 @$$ getting a free lunch and patting yourself on the back while you singlehandedly begin to tear apart an industry that you claim to love. emulating abandonware is one thing, pirating FFXII before it's even released is something else.

garrragagrag this shit pisses me off

[kaotic_munkey27]

I would have to disagree with you postal, because i have downloaded numerous things of the internet and you know what i did? I went and bought those things when they finally got here because it just wasn't the same.
Ex: I used Limewire to download FF AC so I could watch the movie because they kept pushing back the release date and i was getting impatient. But as soon as it came out on DVD I went and bought it and I watched it again,

Oh BTW, the only reason it cost so much money to develop a game like FF XII is because all of the developers, coders, programmers, analysts,....etc. are paid a bajillion dollars an hour, so don't try to feed us that bullshit about how capitalism works because all everybody does around they world is try to get something for free. It's called profit.

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[LocoColt04]

Originally Posted by kaotic_munkey27

Ex: I used Limewire to download FF AC so I could watch the movie because they kept pushing back the release date and i was getting impatient. But as soon as it came out on DVD I went and bought it and I watched it again,

That's great of you to do that. I mean, not the illegal downloading, but the fact that you went and bought it despite the illegal downloading.

Problem is, 95% of people don't go out and purchase things they already own.

Okay, so I pulled that percentage out of my ass, but you have to admit it's likely accurate. Especially with everything being so expensive these days, you know?

[Djinn]

Originally Posted by LocoColt04

Problem is, 95% of people don't go out and purchase things they already own.

Okay, so I pulled that percentage out of my ass, but you have to admit it's likely accurate. Especially with everything being so expensive these days, you know?

Thats funny, because pretty much everyone i know downloads music then buys the album its from, including myself. I have a load of Incubus songs on my hdd, but i also have every one of their albums simply because they're worth the money.

Can you really blame people for downloading things that cost so much, sure some people are assholes and won't buy it in the end, but a lot of people download things to try them... the way it was meant to be. Maybe i'm being a bit naive saying a lot of people, maybe i'm underestimating the amount of assholes on the planet =D, but maybe you shouldn't lump everyone in the same category (directed at postal) of being a 'pirate' or theif.

[geordanuk]

hehe yeah i always get an ablum if i have the music.....

and yeah the game might cost millions to make but how much does it cost to burn them to a CD about a few pounds or dollars or yen or whatever it aint much and then they go and charge about 3 times as much for it to get a profit when theey would get an even bigger profit for selling it for about a quater more because more people would buy it that way

[kaotic_munkey27]

Another thing, if they were so worried about a leak being on the internet, then they should have taken more precaution and better security measures to make sure that it didn't get out in the first place. Or atleast protect the CD in a better way by encrypting it, or make it non-readable in reverse engineering programs or something. So to tell you the truth, I think the leak is just as much there fault as the people who did it in the first place, or atleast partly their fault.

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[Cloud_Strife17]

I really dont know but I dont see whats so bad im sure people who downlod it will still buy the game ,I would, but I would be pissed if I was square enix too.

I wonder... why o why don't they watermark their copies

[Mike Piatza]

Originally Posted by midgarmako

I understand why Square-Enix would take legal action against these Torrent sites. Well, imagine you are the head of the Final Fantasy XII project and you've spent years making it and then all off a sudden, people upload it all onto the internet for thousands to download with no charge, I guess you'd be really pissed off. I certainly would.

I don't think it would be AS bad if it was leaked a few months after it's official released. I download loads of old PSone games but it's been years and years after a new PSone game has been released so I guess I can get away with that but downloading a brand new game is kinda bad IMO.

I agree know one should have an excuse to do it period.

[kaotic_munkey27]

Now I never said that I didn't agree with the part about Square-Enix taking legal action against the torrent sites. Hell, the way I see it, more power to them. But most of the blame should be put onto the torrent sites not the people downloading it. Most of them are just doing what comes naturally when they get on the internet. But if the torrent sites didn't have the download in the first place, then the downloaders wouldn't have anything to download. The torrent sites are the power source behind the illegal dowloading. Keep them from getting it on the Internet and no one can get ahold of it except by your terms. That is the way Square-Enix should have looked at it in the first place. And I have to agree with Recon Zero on his comment. They should have watermarked it.

[Axeman]

I can't believe all you idiots who say its understandable that people are downloading illegal pirated copies of this or any other game, and trying to justify your comments by saying that the games are too expensive or they take too long to come out.

One reason that video games are so expensive is because of piracy, if all the copies of any game out there were bought legitimately, with all profits going to the company that developed the game there would be no need to charge £40 for a game. But the sad situation is that nearly half of all games, dvds and music are not purchased legally but are either pirated, or illegally downloaded. This forces the developers to raise their prices in order to recoup their losses.

And as for your childish whining about how long it takes for a game to be released, learn some f**king patience for chrissakes! These games take years to develop and hundreds of people to develop them. You'd be making even more noise if if Square-Enix rushed out a sub-standard game because they had as little patience with it as you lot!
And of course the Japanese get it before we all do! Japanese company; japanese game. There's this little issue of translation and localisation to get through before all us english speaking gamers can understand it!

The bottom line is this: Software piracy is theft and theft is a crime. Whether it be an illegal copy or an illegal download it is still stolen property and anybody offering it, or buying/downloading it is breaking the law.
There is no justifying it with complaints of the price of, or time taken to release a game. It. Is. Illegal.

[Merlin]

Originally Posted by Axeman

You'd be making even more noise if if Square-Enix rushed out a sub-standard game because they had as little patience with it as you lot!

Technically, they already have.... FFVII was a rushed job because they wanted to get it out quicker. Although it was buggy and certain elements were flawed, it still managed to pick up high praise. Of course, this irony is not a ruler to go by, since most rushed jobs are garbage. They saved their own ass by having a fully-fleshed out storyline, even if it was run by an incomplete system. On the other hand, rushed jobs like their Saga series... or dare I mention Dirge of Cerebrus... I don't even think I need to go there...

As for the comment on why video games are expensive, it has little or nothing to do with piracy. If you paid attention to the details, you'd notice that computer games are much cheaper than console games... and yet it is so much easier to steal a computer game than a console game. Don't you find that a slight bit odd, based on your analysis? Why oh why is there this discrepency? Because the pricing has nothing to do with piracy. It has to do with royalties and licensing. Console games are backed by the console creator. They have that nifty label that says "Playstation 2", "XBOX 360", etc on them. Does that label come free? No it doesn't. Software developers must pay royalties to Sony, Microsoft, etc to use that label. Not only that, software companies do not distribute or manufacture the games. They send a master copy to the console company, where it is then analyzed and determined whether it meets with their own expectations. If not, it goes back to the drawing board or is scrapped. If it does, the console company manufactures the discs that you get in your hot little hands when it finally arrives. All that extra effort comes with a price tag. Its not free.

Computer games aren't backed by any particular computer maker. They don't come with huge labels saying "Dell" or "HP" on them. They are designed to work for Windows systems and/or Mac systems in general. Making sure you have the right configuration is solely up to you. The software companies then either manufacture the discs themselves or have another company do it for them. They do not have to pay royalties or licensing fees to big-wigs to the insane extent that console games do.

What's the bottom line? Look at the prices. That hefty price tag on video games is because Sony and Microsoft(and sometimes Nintendo) are greedy motherfuckers. If you want to bitch about price gauging, look no further than the people who made the damned console you play the games on. $70+ for a video game? It doesn't take any more money to make that game than it did to mak