Did Sephiroth truley have evil intentions??

[Stek]

Reading the posts in this thread got me thinking about Sephiroth...and I realised I got a lot of unanswered questions...so here they are

1. Does Sephiroth die after Nibelheim incident 5 years before ff7? I know hes body reaches North Crater after going through the Lifestream...so who is the Sephiroth that kills Aeris? Is it a clone conterolled by him, is it an illusion (although I wouldnt call it illusion since he killed Aeris) created using hes mind or who is it?

2. How does he want to become a god? Does he want to go where all the lifetstream gathers after the meteor impact and be reborn as a god or simply absorb it and gain inimaginable powers?

3. Why did he keep holy sealed? Didnt he know holy would take meteors side?

4. Who is actually Sephiroth? Can he be "summoned" or something through any person? In ac we see Kadaj turned into Sephiroth (Kadaj kept saying "I wonder who will mother choose"...is Sephiroth just Jenovas puppet?)

5. Why doesnt Sephiroth ever attack Clouds party before the final 3 battles? He just sends Jenova..or maybe he doesnt send her, maybe Jenova itself wants to fight Cloud.

6. If Sephiroth was so powerfull 7 years before ac (he almost kills Zack, destroyes an entire city by itself) and yet he is killed by a weak ShinRa soldier called Cloud?

7. And last question...why does he take 0 damage in Nibelheim? Is it just a trick used to create the impression that he is very strong or was he actually invincible? If he was then why is he so weak in the final 3 battles?

[penelo rocks]

Originally Posted by Kadaj912

Reading the posts in this thread got me thinking about Sephiroth...and I realised I got a lot of unanswered questions...so here they are

1. Does Sephiroth die after Nibelheim incident 5 years before ff7? I know hes body reaches North Crater after going through the Lifestream...so who is the Sephiroth that kills Aeris? Is it a clone conterolled by him, is it an illusion (although I wouldnt call it illusion since he killed Aeris) created using hes mind or who is it?

2. How does he want to become a god? Does he want to go where all the lifetstream gathers after the meteor impact and be reborn as a god or simply absorb it and gain inimaginable powers?

3. Why did he keep holy sealed? Didnt he know holy would take meteors side?

4. Who is actually Sephiroth? Can he be "summoned" or something through any person? In ac we see Kadaj turned into Sephiroth (Kadaj kept saying "I wonder who will mother choose"...is Sephiroth just Jenovas puppet?)

5. Why doesnt Sephiroth ever attack Clouds party before the final 3 battles? He just sends Jenova..or maybe he doesnt send her, maybe Jenova itself wants to fight Cloud.

6. If Sephiroth was so powerfull 7 years before ac (he almost kills Zack, destroyes an entire city by itself) and yet he is killed by a weak ShinRa soldier called Cloud?

7. And last question...why does he take 0 damage in Nibelheim? Is it just a trick used to create the impression that he is very strong or was he actually invincible? If he was then why is he so weak in the final 3 battles?

1.he did not die in a lateral sense of the word he was totaly paralysed by the life stream he created replicas of himself using his mind and thats what killes aeris.

2. the life stream is used to create a life however for a "normal" human being its a certain amout however he wants about 2,500,000 times more that that so he is reborn as a god.

3.Holy was origanly used to aid the planet so he trapped it to stop it from helping the planet.

4.no he not a puppet he is as human as all of us but he has so much jenova cells in him he has become a part of her so he is basicly a sort of genitic mutation that when jenova cells are exposed to bodies the body mutates to sephiroth.

5.because cloud underestimated cloud and therefor thought he did not have to fight him so he sent jenova.

6.again he underestimated cloud.

7.he had a item to stop this.

[Stek]

A small question about the lifestream...
Sephiroth wants to be "reborn" as a god, so doesnt he first need to die?
I knew lifestream was used just to create life...so if Sephiroth is not dead how can he still use it for his transformation?

[fosterkid]

i think he didnt have evil untill he went psycho and started hateing everything
then everything [except dieing] was intentional

[VIVI17]

ok i think he was durrang human all the way he just whated everyone to die you can see it in hes eyes do you know what i mean

[fosterkid]

yeah i know

[SOLDIER #819]

*OVERALL GAME SPOILERS*

What? Sephiroth was "evil" in his insanity, definitely. Whether or not Jenova was really behind it is beside the point (I disagree with that to some extent, for the record); what Sephiroth was doing had to equate to some form of villainy. =P You can't twist the fact that he was going to blow a chunk out of the Planet, sacrificing the well-being of it as well as many innocent lives in the process to attain power. He was no longer confused about his origins at that point. He accepted the fact the Jenova was not a Cetra and that he was not a "true heir" to the Planet.

Some of Final Fantasy VII's plot dealt with how even AVALANCHE had sacrificed the lives of innocents to further their goals. However, it's different with Shin-Ra and Sephiroth, who were fundamentally out for the betterment of themselves through the sacrifice of those around them. They were both true villains in that sense.

Also...My opinion is that you can be a "real FFVII fanatic" by not biting into everything with the name "Final Fantasy VII" in it. I think what is being said in the Compilation needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

[Anomaly]

Originally Posted by Kadaj912

A small question about the lifestream...
Sephiroth wants to be "reborn" as a god, so doesnt he first need to die?
I knew lifestream was used just to create life...so if Sephiroth is not dead how can he still use it for his transformation?

Lifestream is the accumulated knowledge and power of life, all lives that every were and ever will be. It is what gives materia its power and what drives life on the Planet.

A living human can be infused with a small amount of lifestream energy and thus be given enhnaced power and, to some extent, knowledge. These humans, however, must be able to HANDLE that much energy...some can and they become SOLDIERS. Some can't and they are diagnosed with 'mako poisoning'...basically the mind overloads from too much knowledge being in it at once. There will is crushed and over come.

Sephiroth, however, is identified as the character with the STRONGEST will in FFVII as told by his creators and producers. Further, he has the power of JENOVA at his disposal...thus it is possible for him to harness the entirety of the power of the lifestream...dead or alive. He cannot technically die, he cannot be defused into the lifestream, and he can manipulate subconciously any body that has even a trace of JENOVAs cells.

Here are the answers to your other seven questions.

1.) The person who kills Aeris and who cloud and crew chase all the way to the North Crater has been identified as the Body of JENOVA reshaped by Sephiroths will into his own form. The JENOVA Cells themselves recognize Sephiroth as their master and they seek to do his will. Which at that time was to bring him the Black Materia and to stop anyone from interfering with him attaining his promised land (such as Aeris, Tseng, and President Shin-Ra)
Sephiroth did not technically die, but he became a traveler of the lifestream. He is thus an existance beyound normal concepts of life and death...just as his mother was.

2.) As was said, lifestream energy is knowledge and power. With infinite amounts of knowledge and power he will become like a God. But do you think that is his only goal? No...as the movie states, he seeks to become as his mother was, a devourer of worlds...to use the planet to travel the darkness of the cosmos and find other planets to devour, to further develop his powers and attain his 'Promised Land'.

3.) Sephiroth had no way of knowing Holy would add to Meteors destruction. If Holy had been released sooner, it may've stopped Meteor without the Lifestream having to aid it.

4.) Sephiroth is as close to the son of JENOVA as is possible without having to actually have sex with a corpse. He is hte son of Hojo and Lucrecia, though JENOVA cells were injected directly into him as an embryo. As such, he's not entirely human, andsome might even say mostly Jenovan. He cannot be 'summoned'. Kadaj and the other three silverhairded men were actually fragments of Sephiroths soul that had infected lifestream energy. In order for Sephiroth to attain his old form he had to have a 'Reunion' with Jenova's cells so he could manifest and shape the power he had developed through the negative lifestream generated by those who had died of Geostigma. Sephiroth is the lord of Jenova's cells and the darkness lurking just bneneath the surface of the lifestream.

5.) First off, Sephiroth is gathering energy in the North Crater so that he can cast Meteor. After that he's busy blocking Holy. As was shown by the movie, he was happy enough to attack Cloud and crew as soon as he was able.

6.) He wasn't killed. In FFVII he just falls into the lifestream. In FFVII LAST ORDERS (also known as Crisis Core) he jumps in of his own will. Sephiroth is not dead until the END of FFVII...if you call that dead. He doesn;t have a solid body anymore, but he can create one, as many times as he likes...over and over again.

7.) Look at his levels, then look at his armor...then cry because you weren't that cool or well equiped even when you get BACK to Nibelheim.

EDIT:
All information is derived from: Final Fantasy Crisis Core, Final Fantasy VII Ultimania Guide (translation notes), Final Fantasy: Advent Children (creator interviews), Final Fantasy VII for Playstation, and my inability to forget anything I've ever read.

[Stek]

Originally Posted by Anomaly

7.) Look at his levels, then look at his armor...then cry because you weren't that cool or well equiped even when you get BACK to Nibelheim.

I don't think its about his equipment (Gold Armlet/Tough Ring) and neither from his stats, because even with 255 defence the same items equipped and at the same or higher level, you still get damage (the only way to receive 0 damage is to have the Shield materia, which he didn't have)

So my question was if Square made Sephiroth so powerfull so it would have a greater impact on the player (on me it sure did), suggeting him how strong Sephiroth is.

[Anomaly]

Originally Posted by Kadaj912

I don't think its about his equipment (Gold Armlet/Tough Ring) and neither from his stats, because even with 255 defence the same items equipped and at the same or higher level, you still get damage (the only way to receive 0 damage is to have the Shield materia, which he didn't have)

You can't have Touph Ring at that point in the game and you don't get a Gold Armlet unlil you steal it from the dragon. AS such, Sephiroth has equipment that for such a low level dragopn would render the dragon incapable of causing much, if any damage.

But yes, its very likely this was done to demonstrate the level of power Square wanted you to feel Sephiroth had.

No No No
you've all got it wrong sephiroth was not naturally bad he was just unloved and had no mummy to run when scared, lol