Genesis vs Sephiroth

Itachi Uchiha · 07-05-2008, 01:35 PM

For those who have played it, I'm sure you remember the fight scene between Sephiroth, Genesis and Angeal on the Mako cannon. Well it is a memorable scene in my head due to the graphics and the fight itself. Now this is what sparked my curiosity. Genesis started fighting Sephiroth one on one with interference from Angeal. What I'm wondering is who would win with no interference from Angeal?

From what they actually displayed, I would put my money on Genesis for winning. It would seem that he does have the advantage most of the time. I mean he only lost it since Angeal stopped him. Even then when Sephiroth pressed on and took the fight more seriously, he managed to match his strength. But that’s just my opinion on the matter.

1WingedRonin · 07-05-2008, 02:25 PM

I think they are about on par. I got the impression that Genesis and Sephiroth are going to be opposites of each other. If there is ever going to be another FF 7 game, I could easily see Sephiroth coming back and Genesis being the Anti Sephiroth. We know that Genesis is still around via the hidden ending to Dirge, and we are pretty sure that Sephiroth is still around as well.

IF they ever get back to this story *(and why wouldnt they)*, I think Genesis will be the good guy, since he has already sworn to protect the planet..

Anomaly · 07-05-2008, 11:25 PM

Not a chance. Sephiroth clearly outclassed and over powered Genesis. The only thing that saved Genesis was Angeal's interference. Bare in mind also that Genesis at that point was still a failed and flawed experiment that could not regenerate from even basic flesh wounds. It would've only been a matter of a few slashes and not even Angeal's blood could've saved the poor wretch. The story would've been a lot different if Angeal had not chosen to step in when he did.

Having said that with Genesis having received the gift of the goddess, and apparently capable of regenerating himself, the battle might be slightly closer to call. It would all depend on who had absorbed more life stream energy (as that seems to be the standard for determining a success or failure in the Jenova experiments). Sephiroth would still have the edge thanks to the negative life stream energy at his disposal, but if Genesis could command all the rest of the planets life stream through the goddess, he might well be overwhelmed and expelled from the planet.

cloud_strife1658 · 07-06-2008, 03:32 AM

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Not a chance. Sephiroth clearly outclassed and over powered Genesis. The only thing that saved Genesis was Angeal's interference. Bare in mind also that Genesis at that point was still a failed and flawed experiment that could not regenerate from even basic flesh wounds. It would've only been a matter of a few slashes and not even Angeal's blood could've saved the poor wretch. The story would've been a lot different if Angeal had not chosen to step in when he did.

Having said that with Genesis having received the gift of the goddess, and apparently capable of regenerating himself, the battle might be slightly closer to call. It would all depend on who had absorbed more life stream energy (as that seems to be the standard for determining a success or failure in the Jenova experiments). Sephiroth would still have the edge thanks to the negative life stream energy at his disposal, but if Genesis could command all the rest of the planets life stream through the goddess, he might well be overwhelmed and expelled from the planet.

genesis will win ofcourse its fun watching them fight maybe

1WingedRonin · 07-06-2008, 11:16 AM

Okay, I understand the failed experiment. I got the impression though that it wasnt just the wound, there was also mako in it that was causing a problem to keep it from healing properly and that is what caused the "experiment" to downward spiral. The same with Angeal. Hojo and the other scientist didnt seem to think he was a failure until he started degenerating, but as I said before, I thought there was a catalyst for the degeneration.

Can you help clear up this haze for me Anomaly?

From the movie fight, I didnt get the impression that Sephiroth outclassed Genesis. I thought he held his own, yes he didnt beat him, but he did hold his own. We dont know what could have happened had Angeal not interferred in the first part with the Firaga spell, but it looked at least Genesis had broken even.

Anomaly · 07-07-2008, 02:13 PM

It's just not the impression that I got. Genesis was displaying a whole gamete of emotions, from cocky self assurance, to rage and more than a little frustration. Sephiroth never once lost his cool, he never once seemed to exert himself. If all it takes from Sephiroth is two swings of his sword to completely demolish the Sister Ray...I dunno, I just didn't see that same level of power from Genesis. If anything it seemed like Sephiroth was going easy on him...taunting him. If Genesis 'broke even' it was only because Sephiroth still thought of him as a friend at that point and didn't want to hurt him...one could say Angeal's interference was the only real reason Genesis got hurt, aside from the Loveless freaks own reckless pride.

The only person ever to over power Sephiroth, to make his eyes open in shock, is Cloud. Only a man can beat a monster.

As to Genesis being a failed experiment, he was dubbed a failure as soon as it was determined that he could not absorb other members of project G into himself (Reunion) and of course that fact that he lacked the capacity to regenerate. Hollander already knew this and thats why he knew he'd have to use Angeal's cells to try and repair his injury. (Angeal being closer to a success than Genesis but still not the success Sephiroth proved to be). Anyways, the stagnate mako that is a part of Genesis is different from the mako that exists in the life stream and is processed by Shin-Ra. The full ramification of these properties have yet to be revealed aside from it's general rarity and supposed superiority when introduced to human subjects (members of the Tsviets) as opposed to regular mako showers (SOLDIER operatives).

umers56 · 07-07-2008, 03:26 PM

all of u are wrong............i would win............but seriously.....Sephiroth would win bc he has determination and will. I mean to be thrown about a million feet down by Cloud at Endish.........he still came back alive and wants revenge

1WingedRonin · 07-07-2008, 07:33 PM

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It's just not the impression that I got. Genesis was displaying a whole gamete of emotions, from cocky self assurance, to rage and more than a little frustration. Sephiroth never once lost his cool, he never once seemed to exert himself. If all it takes from Sephiroth is two swings of his sword to completely demolish the Sister Ray...I dunno, I just didn't see that same level of power from Genesis. If anything it seemed like Sephiroth was going easy on him...taunting him. If Genesis 'broke even' it was only because Sephiroth still thought of him as a friend at that point and didn't want to hurt him...one could say Angeal's interference was the only real reason Genesis got hurt, aside from the Loveless freaks own reckless pride.

The only person ever to over power Sephiroth, to make his eyes open in shock, is Cloud. Only a man can beat a monster.

As to Genesis being a failed experiment, he was dubbed a failure as soon as it was determined that he could not absorb other members of project G into himself (Reunion) and of course that fact that he lacked the capacity to regenerate. Hollander already knew this and thats why he knew he'd have to use Angeal's cells to try and repair his injury. (Angeal being closer to a success than Genesis but still not the success Sephiroth proved to be). Anyways, the stagnate mako that is a part of Genesis is different from the mako that exists in the life stream and is processed by Shin-Ra. The full ramification of these properties have yet to be revealed aside from it's general rarity and supposed superiority when introduced to human subjects (members of the Tsviets) as opposed to regular mako showers (SOLDIER operatives).

Okay, that makes sense seeing it from that way. So in your opinion, do you see Angeal as having a better chance than Genesis at beating Sephiroth..or at least "breaking even"? Or do you see them as both having been very far inferior and Sephiroth was just a fluke of a sort?

The fight that Sephiroth, Angeal and Genesis had was done on a holodeck of a sort, from what I saw in the movie. Though I think you may be right in that Sephiroth could destroy the cannon, but I would think even Genesis and Angeal could do that...

Silver · 07-07-2008, 08:06 PM

I don't really like either of the two very much honestly. Sephiroth just seems overused these days and Genesis doesn't really seem to fit in with the rest of FFVII. He sticks out way too much...

But after playing a few of my saves again, I would think that Genesis would actually have a good chance of winning. He sent Angeal flying after he tried to stop Genesis from going all magic explosion happy with the words 'Stop, you'll destroy us all', and even when knocked down by Sephiroth he was still able to be up again quickly and blocking Sephiroth's blade quite easily despite it coming down with would have had a great deal of weight behind it.

And I noticed there are a few bits where you hear noises from Sephiroth. He does seem to be exerting himself. I see Sephiroth as being more controlled while Genesis seems more reckless, but either way, they both seemed to be struggling for a win. Genesis was only defeated in this scenario due to Angeal interfering with the weaker blade which snapped, causing a large chunk to rip through his shoulder.

As Sephiroth seemed unable to get through Genesis' defenses and Sephiroth at this point in time most likely weaker than when in the main events of the original PSX, I really think it could go either way. Genesis was very powerful despite his not being able to regenerate...

I'm also prone to believe that any of them could have chopped up the virtual Sister Ray. All three of Angeal, Genesis and Sephiroth were noticeably stronger than Zack, and I wouldn't be surprised if Zack could destroy it, after half the things he did in his missions.

Anomaly · 07-09-2008, 12:13 AM

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Okay, that makes sense seeing it from that way. So in your opinion, do you see Angeal as having a better chance than Genesis at beating Sephiroth..or at least "breaking even"? Or do you see them as both having been very far inferior and Sephiroth was just a fluke of a sort?

Angeal has a very strong chance against Sephiroth as he was the success story in Hollander's experiments. Further more, unlike Genesis, he never seems to fully embrace the idea that he is a monster...he's a SOLDIER to the end. (Though if that's a 'monster' or 'human' is still up in the air.) The only problem is I don't think Angeal, with all his pride, could ever turn his sword on his friends. Not seriously I mean. Thats why he ended up essentially committing suicide by fighting Zack. (someone he should've been able to decimate since he trained him).

Between Sephiroth and Angeal, if Angeal was as single-mindedly devoted to stopping Sephiroth as Cloud is, then he could probably do it. If there was any doubt in his mind, however, Sephiroth would capitalize on that hesitation.

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The fight that Sephiroth, Angeal and Genesis had was done on a holodeck of a sort, from what I saw in the movie. Though I think you may be right in that Sephiroth could destroy the cannon, but I would think even Genesis and Angeal could do that...

Genesis could burn a hole in it and Angeal could probably crush it, but Sephiroth is probably the only person around that would do something as extravagant as slice it into little pieces. Look what he did to Shin-Ra tower in Advent Children...if Genesis could do that, don't you think he would've? Nah, he just blows a couple of holes in the side of it. Genesis after receiving the gift of the goddess however...who knows what he's capable of...

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I'm also prone to believe that any of them could have chopped up the virtual Sister Ray. All three of Angeal, Genesis and Sephiroth were noticeably stronger than Zack, and I wouldn't be surprised if Zack could destroy it, after half the things he did in his missions.

I'd agree to that except that he can easily defeat 1000 Shin-Ra soldiers in his missions but he can't handle a fraction of that at the end of the game. Zack dies far easier than any of the three...which would lead me to believe that for all his power and ability to defeat Genesis and Angeal, he would be unable to hold a candle to the destructive power of Sephiroth...and thus only be able to inflict damage on Angeal or Genesis level.

brnthsdiscout · 07-19-2008, 11:05 PM

I would love to watch Sephiroth and Genesis fighting in another scene! their fight were beyond amazing!!

*Violet* · 07-26-2008, 05:46 AM

Well, you also have to keep in mind as to what Sephiroth became at the end of Final Fantasy 7. He was way more powerful at that time than when he was fighting Genesis. Besides, Sephiroth is Square's beloved icon. They'd enhance his powers in whatever way to defeat Genesis, if they ever felt like doing it. There is no way you can decide who would beat eachother. The only way to decide is to write your own lame fanfic of them dueling where your favorite character wins..(note: which I would never read, as I hate reading endless fighting scenes.)

sonicisrad · 11-17-2008, 10:56 PM

I see Sephiroth having the advantage, simply because of the fact that Genesis degrates, well, I guess I shouldn't count that considering it was Angeal halting the fight that caused Genesis to get injured so it's a hard decision. I personally would choose Sephiroth due to him being my Fave= as well as him being seen as "The Legendary SOLDIER" unlike Genesis, who seems to be the "Gorgeous One" (<-- I don't think that..).Genesis does have the skill to take Sephiroth to the limit, and matching him in the process. But all in all, Sephiroth would take Genesis down in the dying moments, only catching Spehiroth offguard, like Cloud did in Advent Children, can you Truely defeat him.