Kefka puts Sepiroth to shame

[ForeverZero89]

is kefka the most insane? definatly. the most powerful? give me a break, all he did was move a damn stone. he himself didn't actually do anything. not by his power or will. shephy on the other hand nearly became a god and even after his death he willed himself back into existance. now thats power.

[Loaf]

Did you even get far into the World of Ruin? Kefka was a demi god, he put fear into an entire world, he took away hope from everyone. What did Sephiroth do? Or Jenova posing as Sephiroth? Control Cloud, summon meteor? Done? Cool.

[Alpha]

Sephiroth just hid in a cave and called a big rock to Earth. All he did was make it dark while Cloud sauntered over there to kill him.

Now Kefka, he fired freaking laser beams all over the planet. Imagine just sitting at home, reading a book, and this crazy clown blows up your next door neighbour from the other side of the world. Rad.

Sephiroth was a brooding loner obsessed with his dead mother. Kefka took an active, insane interest in the planet, not wanting to destroy it, but to make everyone his slaves, killing a few people for the sheer joy of killing. I know who I'm more afraid of.

[Dodie16]

Getting to the original point of this thread...

I think that cosplayer in the videos does an excellent job when he portrays Kefka. The videos are very funny and I have even watched a couple of them more than once. They are great for a good laugh!

Getting to the point of the whole Sephy vs. Kefka thing (just my two cents)...

I think that these two villains are quite different in thier ways of doing things. Sephiroth was a brilliant warrior, whereas Kefka would be seen as a brilliant mage correct? I think that comparing these two villains to one another would be rather unfair in terms of fighting styles. As far as a backstory, they are quite different as well. Kefka had to scheme and connive to reach his station in life, and it cost him his sanity, whereas Sephiroth was born to be a great warrior, and when he found out about the process that made him what he was, he lost his sanity (wait, I guess that means they have some similarity after all, lol).

This is just my observations from all the Kefka/Sephiroth conflict, but I think that more people hate the fact that fans of Sephiroth built him up to something more than what the original game portrayed him to be, and don't actually dislike Sephiroth as a character per se. Understandable to say the least. It just seems to me that this constitutes as an irrational hatred for a character who really doesn't deserve all the conflict surrounding his popularity. So it's really the fan base that people despise, not Sephy himself. Perhaps there are some that actually hate him for what he is, but that just seems silly to me.

I will say that I think that both of these villains are top notch, and they both have memorable personalities. Regardless of whether you prefer one over the other, that's still just ultimately your decision. It's what you find to be more appealing to you as a gamer. Kefka is not better than Sephiroth nor is Sephiroth better than Kefka for that matter and no one is right about opinions. There is no true answer when opinion is the key factor in these types of situations.

On an end note, it should be stated that ultimately both of these villains failed to accomplish thier ultimate goal. Yes, I realize that Kefka did in fact bring chaos and destruction to the world that brought about the "world of ruin" portrayed in the game, but he also lost sight of what he truly wanted and failed to kill the main cast when he clearly had the power to do so. So that's where I think that Kefka fails. Sephiroth also failed in the fact that he was overpowered by Cloud's will when the final confrontation took place inside the lifestream.

My final thought? There is no better villain of the two. It just comes down to personal preference.

[Locke4God]

Absolutely not - Kefka was great, but Sephiroth was motivated personally. He had been created from the Materia of the earth by Shinra, and when he learned of his true heritage he used that power against them, and then decided to further use it to wound the earth and absorb the rest of the power of the earth. It was a great tale because he was motivated by revenge and would have accomplished the destruction of the world at a faster pace than Shinra, which meant that the heroes were fighting for the same cause throughout even when the mission because Sephiroth and not just Shinra. It was great.

Kefka was just a crazy dude. He was great and his insanity was tied to Magic just as Sephiroth's was tied to Materia, but still Sephiroth's motivation was genuine. Kefka's wasn't. It's not really even a debate. Sephiroth was clearly a more cleverly written and relateable villian. Did anybody sympathize with Kefka?

[Dodie16]

Originally Posted by Locke4God

He had been created from the Materia of the earth by Shinra, and when he learned of his true heritage he used that power against them, and then decided to further use it to wound the earth and absorb the rest of the power of the earth.

Sorry, I have to correct you on this a little. Sephiroth was born with Jenova's cells inside of him, injected into him by Hojo while he was still in Lucrecia's womb. Hence the name "The Jenova Project".

[Locke4God]

Thank you Dodie,,, you are correct. I knew that didn't sound quite right, but the projects were connected and so my point stands. Sephiroth was just a more well rounded character with a better motivation for what he was doing.

[Zargabaath]

Originally Posted by Meier Link

Actually I think my portrayal of Sephy is quite accurate. Seeing in game he was the quite and silent type. On your first meeting with him He was not very outspoken and was very secrative in his words which could result in onlookers to be a rant / ramble. And Sephiroth did talk to Clouds party which in the state of things, Sephy had no clue who they where so hince strangers.

I will give you the burning of Neibliheim but in comparision to the events that happened at Doma Castle, Neiblaheim was nothing.

As you can see in my post I equally made fun of both parties.

So you are saying that Sephy was in control of Jenova, this point is moot seeing there is no real definitve time in the game that states who controals whom.



As for the jumping the bar, are you trying to say that it was an improbability that he can't physcially do it? Must I remind you of the scene where he killed General Leo?

Also notice I never said he drank the vodka, which he was never depicted in FFVI. I stated that he took the vodka and used it to distribute the poision openly with out people noticing he was putting the poision in in their drinks. Which could once again be drawn in from the Doma castle events. Substitue vodka with water. So no in the scenario this was not null or void.



Honestly I was not trying to prop anyone up, just showing the personality types of each character; which is what I depicted.

Loner type who thinks before he acts (hence mentioning burning the place down before walking out of the bar) that keeps to his self and crazy jester who does as he wishes with out reason (hence blowing the building up) and is not afraid to actually do what he wants when he wants to do it.

If I was trying to make Sephy look bad then I could of thrown things out there like a villian that burned down a town and killed a hand full of people VS a villian that killed millions and destroyed the world as everyone knew it. But that was not the point of the scinario


Quoted for truth.

I was actaully going to say that the bar was owned by Kefka's mother haha.

Sephiroth may have talked to Cloud's party but was not Cloud with them? He knows Cloud, he has a very personal history with Cloud and Cloud is Sephiroth's marionette. Sephiroth knows someone in the group, he knows what the group's goal is therefore they are not as much as strangers as others.

Is the Nibelheim incident not as bas as the Doma Castle because of the size, the method, what? Both villians did it at a moment's notice, though the party had fore-warning in Final Fantasy VI, which gave them an actual attempt to warn Doma. Nibelheim did not have such a possibility. The victims in both were men, women and children so there is no difference there. I would say that burning alive is worst then being poisoned and I'm sure a lot of people would say that they are equal, so method and the pain associated with the method is not strikingly different.

There is no explicit part of the game that says, Sephiroth is in control of Jenova, however there are plenty of implicit moments. Add the Ultimania guide and that says he was.

I guess Leo wasn't that great after all

My mistake about him drinking the vodka, but him pouring the poison into another person's cup and poisoning the water supply from a distance are way different. He most likely poisoned the water out of sight from Doma; he is up close and personal with the vodka. Being as I am coupled wiht his behavior, I would be worried that he may hit me with the bottle or spill some of the vodka on me so I would keep an eye on the bottle to prevent that.


@Emperor Griffith: What someone does is an evaluation of themself, thus if their actions are evil then they are evil.


I have recently thought about this that makes Sephiroth the clear winner: Sephiroth is an eternal part of the planet, as long as the planet is alive so is he. He is the evil part of the lifestream, as Aerith is the good part; he may have been defeated but he still exists and is able to once again try. Kefka is dead, no longer exist, and cannot attempt anymore. Kefka may have ruled for a year but Sephiroth will "live" far longer and has more power/ability than Kefka ever had. If people claim Kefka's god-hood and mass destruction of the world was a great achievement, then Sephiroth becoming a part of the planet, existing beyond his body, and having loads of power is a greater achievement.

[muslymfli]

Originally Posted by Locke4God

Thank you Dodie,,, you are correct. I knew that didn't sound quite right, but the projects were connected and so my point stands. Sephiroth was just a more well rounded character with a better motivation for what he was doing.

Glad to hear you're using this: I plan to keep it much more aggressively up-to-date than has been the case in the past, but don't hesitate to let me know if you find errors or need clarifications.

[T.G. Oskar]

Originally Posted by Zargabaath

I have recently thought about this that makes Sephiroth the clear winner: Sephiroth is an eternal part of the planet, as long as the planet is alive so is he. He is the evil part of the lifestream, as Aerith is the good part; he may have been defeated but he still exists and is able to once again try. Kefka is dead, no longer exist, and cannot attempt anymore. Kefka may have ruled for a year but Sephiroth will "live" far longer and has more power/ability than Kefka ever had. If people claim Kefka's god-hood and mass destruction of the world was a great achievement, then Sephiroth becoming a part of the planet, existing beyond his body, and having loads of power is a greater achievement.

Sephiroth may have probably been turned (be it by Nomura and Kitase because of extending the continuity, or as part of the original intention) into the embodiment of evil in the Lifestream (and I don't seem to see it that way), but Kefka quite probably corrupted the concept of Magic forever (in his world, at least). That's part of considering what it may be his "legacy". Kefka became the embodiment of what it may be considered as a principle of the world. As long as magic has a way to manifest in the same way it manifested earlier (even the minuscule presence of an Esper, and Terra cannot count in that case as she has renounced her Esper heritage), Kefka may also manifest.

Perhaps it doesn't make Kefka all the more powerful (after all, one of the concepts tackled in the game was the effect of Magic in the development of the world's history, ending in a veritable catastrophe) of the villains, but it does reduce the particular effect that becoming one with the Planet may imply.

Originally Posted by Locke4God

Kefka was just a crazy dude. He was great and his insanity was tied to Magic just as Sephiroth's was tied to Materia, but still Sephiroth's motivation was genuine. Kefka's wasn't. It's not really even a debate. Sephiroth was clearly a more cleverly written and relateable villian. Did anybody sympathize with Kefka?

Well...
1) Sephiroth was also a crazy dude. What you may imply is that he's not a Cloudcuckoolander, or someone who's psychotically insane.
2) Kefka's motivation is clear, it only degenerates. It steps into several points, until reaching the concept of nihilism. Sephiroth's insanity inclines towards megalomania (if you wish to see it on that aspect)
3) I'd like to see how Sephiroth is "relatable". If the term applies to "it can be one of us", it implies having Sephiroth crossing a fine line that essentially separates it from us, but not by much. Kefka's descent into madness is what makes him a villain, and relating that descent and the atrocities it implies makes Kefka a throughly well-written villain. There's no need for sympathy with the villain: he's constantly proving to you he won't redeem, and you may say it even gloats about it. He even toys with the idea to mock it. See to it if that's not a clever portrayal of an insane villain.

[Zargabaath]

Originally Posted by T.G. Oskar

Sephiroth may have probably been turned (be it by Nomura and Kitase because of extending the continuity, or as part of the original intention) into the embodiment of evil in the Lifestream (and I don't seem to see it that way), but Kefka quite probably corrupted the concept of Magic forever (in his world, at least). That's part of considering what it may be his "legacy". Kefka became the embodiment of what it may be considered as a principle of the world. As long as magic has a way to manifest in the same way it manifested earlier (even the minuscule presence of an Esper, and Terra cannot count in that case as she has renounced her Esper heritage), Kefka may also manifest.

Perhaps it doesn't make Kefka all the more powerful (after all, one of the concepts tackled in the game was the effect of Magic in the development of the world's history, ending in a veritable catastrophe) of the villains, but it does reduce the particular effect that becoming one with the Planet may imply.

Sephiroth was a part of the lifestream before the game even took place; when Cloud throws him off the catwalk into the lifestream he eventually merges/becomes one or a part with it. What do you see it as, since you said you don't seem to see it that way. In truth, whether or not you see it that way is irrelevant, what is, is - Sephiroth is an unique part of the lifestream.

The material added is out of Sephiroth's control and it is, what it is; it cannot be dismissed for it is relevant to the discussion. Most, if not all, material that has been added has been supervised and/or done by Nomura and Nojima. It is also not Sephiroth's fault that Kefka never got as much added material as he did; there is some sort of FF VI Ultimania guide that details more on Kefka, especially his early life.

Magic, as of now, does not have a way of coming back in Final Fantasy VI - Kefka was magic, Kefka was destroyed thus magic was destroyed. Kefka and magic no longer exists therefore it cannot come back. Magic would not be a part of matter either; matter can never be destroyed or created however in the Final Fantasy VI, it is clearly stated that if/when Kefka dies so would magic and is therefore seperate of "matter". If somehow all matter was destroyed, something like the void (Go Exdeath!!!!) was reality, matter could not be created, for nothing existed to create. Kefka and magic no longer exist so no one can tap into magic for magic is not present to be tapped.

[T.G. Oskar]

Originally Posted by Zargabaath

Sephiroth was a part of the lifestream before the game even took place; when Cloud throws him off the catwalk into the lifestream he eventually merges/becomes one or a part with it. What do you see it as, since you said you don't seem to see it that way. In truth, whether or not you see it that way is irrelevant, what is, is - Sephiroth is an unique part of the lifestream.

Wouldn't that ring true of all characters, aside the specific part of merging with the Lifestream (in which case, Aeris is the only one truly equal in that regard)? IIRC what Bugenhagen explains, each living being contains a minuscule part of the Lifestream, which is what provides its life. When the person dies, the part of the Lifestream that was on the person's body returns to it. In that particular sense, everybody is part of the Lifestream, including but not limited to plants and animals.

When Cloud throws him up, I reckon it was considered he was mostly a "traveler" of the Lifestream, not a being that could manipulate it to its will. What it could manipulate were the individuals to which Jenova cells were added, which holds no particular relevance to the Lifestream. Heck, had he merged or blended with the Lifestream, he wouldn't have needed to wound the Planet with another Meteor in order to gather it in one spot; he would have had the capacity of achieving such power nonetheless.

At the moment he perishes on the apparent dream sequence where Cloud finally breaks his shackles from Sephiroth, there's the ambigious cinematic where Seph dissolves into a red form of Lifestream. That I place as ambiguous because it could mean a lot of things, including and not limited to contaminating the Lifestream or returning into the Lifestream but as each individual does (aka, death plain and simple; it may just be that it was a nifty image to represent some uniqueness).

This last image doesn't truly represent Sephiroth's apparent survival until Advent Children is introduced, where Sephiroth's existence is essentially confirmed to endure. Had the producers bailed out of it, you wouldn't be capable of arguing that Sephiroth "cheated" death. You can unambiguously argue that Aeris did merge with the Lifestream.

The material added is out of Sephiroth's control and it is, what it is; it cannot be dismissed for it is relevant to the discussion. Most, if not all, material that has been added has been supervised and/or done by Nomura and Nojima. It is also not Sephiroth's fault that Kefka never got as much added material as he did; there is some sort of FF VI Ultimania guide that details more on Kefka, especially his early life.

Not really an Ultimania, but the precursor to the Ultimania guide where details of the early story were revealed. Even then, I'd take what's on the book with a pinch of salt (figuratively speaking), as it suggests the possibility that Kefka is a half-Esper, or a half-demon (depending on the interpretation of who or what is really Kefka's mother)

Magic, as of now, does not have a way of coming back in Final Fantasy VI - Kefka was magic, Kefka was destroyed thus magic was destroyed. Kefka and magic no longer exists therefore it cannot come back. Magic would not be a part of matter either; matter can never be destroyed or created however in the Final Fantasy VI, it is clearly stated that if/when Kefka dies so would magic and is therefore seperate of "matter". If somehow all matter was destroyed, something like the void (Go Exdeath!!!!) was reality, matter could not be created, for nothing existed to create. Kefka and magic no longer exist so no one can tap into magic for magic is not present to be tapped.

Key word there: as of now. Who knows if suddenly we get graced with a sequel: after all, FFIV was given a sequel. Though, IMO, I'd rather prefer a prequel detailing the War of the Magi, since there's a lot to gather from there.

Magic, by principle, is meant to exist outside (or at least, at the margin of) physical laws. As it can be destroyed (though I have my doubts whether it was destroyed as a physical concept or if the method was destroyed, but it does suggest that for the moment it cannot be used, accessed or even replicated), there's a slim chance it may be recreated, or even duplicated. Perhaps magic is reborn from the remnants of Magitek, or rediscovered from the sufficient advance of technology. Or, there's the chance it simply ceased to exist; simplest explanation there is, and one with very solid fundament.

Yet, think of the repercussions. Kefka's legacy may dent the very advance of technology for a large amount of years, who knows if even more. By the very event of the World of Ruin, the effort JUST to recover the world to its original (or resemblance of original) state will draw most of the effort of all civilizations. Kefka will represent a very solid page in history, one that might not be forgotten for very long, if it gets forgotten at all. I don't believe you might consider that event, that period of time as minimal and irrelevant.

[Zargabaath]

Originally Posted by T.G. Oskar

Wouldn't that ring true of all characters, aside the specific part of merging with the Lifestream (in which case, Aeris is the only one truly equal in that regard)? IIRC what Bugenhagen explains, each living being contains a minuscule part of the Lifestream, which is what provides its life. When the person dies, the part of the Lifestream that was on the person's body returns to it. In that particular sense, everybody is part of the Lifestream, including but not limited to plants and animals.

When Cloud throws him up, I reckon it was considered he was mostly a "traveler" of the Lifestream, not a being that could manipulate it to its will. What it could manipulate were the individuals to which Jenova cells were added, which holds no particular relevance to the Lifestream. Heck, had he merged or blended with the Lifestream, he wouldn't have needed to wound the Planet with another Meteor in order to gather it in one spot; he would have had the capacity of achieving such power nonetheless.

Hence why I said an unique part of the lifestream, yes everyone returns to the lifestream but Sephiroth's place in it is different from the normal person. In the lifestream his intelligence increased vastly as he was able to learn the knowledge/secrets of the ancients. Add the strongest SOLDIER member Sephiroth can also be reborn from Jenova cells as he did take over Jenova as he was not content in being a mere puppet - that's why when Kadaj swallowed the Jenova cells Sephiroth was able to manifest himself. Sephiroth is also able to keep himself alive in the Lifestream just from focusing on the hatred he has for Cloud allowing to maintain his sense of self. What is not confrimed to be true but what Sephiroth hypothesizes is that as long as the there are people living on the planet, and especially Cloud, remember him, he can continue to endure and be revived by their memories of him. Those are powers or abilities that Kefka does not have.

I'll also add, as a reference, what powers Sephiroth does have (I've been searching around while finishing this post and came across it). In the official book "Reunion Files" seen in Advent Children, Sephiroth has "ascended to a new level of existence" and is much stronger than before. Though he was defeated, Sephiroth never used the full extent of his powers in the final fight against Cloud in Advent Children, and because of that his true potential is still unknown. Advent Children producer Yoshinori Kitase has said "Sephiroth's existence and will is extremely powerful. There is nothing stronger, nothing above him". He furthermore states that no character in the world of Final Fantasy VII is stronger than Sephiroth.

Kefka cannot claim to be the strongest being in that universe and the new level of existence that he ascended to is not as high as Sephiroth's; Kefka could not escape death, did not become vastly intelligent to boot, and his powers were tested to the fullest extent in the final battle.

He is able to unleash bursts of energy from his sword and can teleport and is able to single-handedly cut apart the cannon of the Sister Ray, slicing clean through it with one-handed strokes. As he has taken over Jenova, he is able to shapeshift her body parts into his visage and other forms. After absorbing the knowledge of the Lifestream while regenerating his body, Sephiroth gains the ability to use magic without requiring the use of Materia.

Kefka cannot shapeshift the cells of another creature into his visage or other forms - that is a level of control Kefka never obtained. Sephiroth, injected with Jenova cells, took over the alien entity within him, an alien that laid waste to the Ancients, and made it his tool. As I have discussed later in this post, Kefka does not know how to regenerate his body. Kefka did become the God of Magic, so he could use magic without any aide, however he needed magitek technology to be able to before his ascension; Sephiroth needed materia but once in the Lifestream he learned how to use magic without materia - he did not move a statue to bypass learning that ability. Without becoming a "God of Magic", Sephiroth's feat is very impressive.


Sephiroth also has a measure of psychic abilities, able to read minds, project illusions, and levitate objects and people using his will alone. In Advent Children, Sephiroth retains his great strength and agility and controls the Lifestream that has been corrupted by those who died of Geostigma. Any other powers he has developed or retained since his death are not shown.

It is pretty clear that Kefka has no psychic abilities and never had great strength or agility. Sephiroth controls a part of the essence of the planet from those who died from a disease he created, Kefka never caused a disease, and Sephiroth has powers that he has developed yet not shown - that is having loads of power.

I will like to add something to Sephiroth's cruelty since his "evilness" has been put into question, though it is clear that he is evil: in Advent Children he asks Cloud to tell him what he cherished most just so he could take it away from Cloud. Of course some of you may say Kefka, did something similiar. And I say the Emperor poisoned the water supply of the wyverns of Deist then slaughtered the Dragoons. It wasn't until the original Final Fantasy took place that the time-loop Chaos created end, so Chaos had accomplished his goal many times more than Kefka. Think about this: Kefka was never even able to kill a party member and he had the largest cast to try with; the Emperor and Exdeath had been able to kill one character. That doesn't mean that killing a party member is a huge deal, but having the largest cast and nobody dies is... somewhat humorous.

Originally Posted by T.G. Oskar

At the moment he perishes on the apparent dream sequence where Cloud finally breaks his shackles from Sephiroth, there's the ambigious cinematic where Seph dissolves into a red form of Lifestream. That I place as ambiguous because it could mean a lot of things, including and not limited to contaminating the Lifestream or returning into the Lifestream but as each individual does (aka, death plain and simple; it may just be that it was a nifty image to represent some uniqueness).

This last image doesn't truly represent Sephiroth's apparent survival until Advent Children is introduced, where Sephiroth's existence is essentially confirmed to endure. Had the producers bailed out of it, you wouldn't be capable of arguing that Sephiroth "cheated" death. You can unambiguously argue that Aeris did merge with the Lifestream.

When he "perishes" and dissolves into a red form is not ambigious, he manages to survive because of the jenova cells which contaminate the Lifestream. When the Lifestream is released, to stop Meteor, is when the people are infected with Geostigma to re-create another Reunion - Advent Children.

True, I wouldn't be capable of "arguing" that Sephiroth "cheated death", however, and I stress that, the producers did create the extra material, it is there so that whole point of yours does nothing. It is a "what if" but it is not needed, relevant, or should be merit of congntive consideration because what is true is: that those added materials are real and because they are real from the creators, valid.

**I will like to add that there is certain material that is not valid relating to Final Fantasy. Sequels or prequels, while not done by Square for a long time, were ok, however the cross-over of worlds like how Nojima tried to do with VII and X is not - that goes against a core "principle" of Final Fantasy.

Originally Posted by T.G. Oskar

Not really an Ultimania, but the precursor to the Ultimania guide where details of the early story were revealed. Even then, I'd take what's on the book with a pinch of salt (figuratively speaking), as it suggests the possibility that Kefka is a half-Esper, or a half-demon (depending on the interpretation of who or what is really Kefka's mother)

The book (which I believe is called Settei Shoyu) or the Ultimania does not mention that Kefka was half-esper or half-demon only that he was abandoned at birth and raised at a local orphanage. When he becomes the Emperor's second-hand man, before his breakdown is when he becomes interested in magic, espers, and demons and that is where the magic, esper, demons part comes in. Kefka being half-esper or half-demon would not have even made sense to why he would go under the Magitek process, to gain magical abilities, when he would already had have magic.

Originally Posted by T.G. Oskar

Key word there: as of now. Who knows if suddenly we get graced with a sequel: after all, FFIV was given a sequel. Though, IMO, I'd rather prefer a prequel detailing the War of the Magi, since there's a lot to gather from there.

That would be a better idea as they left the War of the Magi locked in the attic for the most part. I would have liked more information on how huge, terrible, hellish the war was to give the player a better image as to why the party does not want that to happen.

Originally Posted by T.G. Oskar

Magic, by principle, is meant to exist outside (or at least, at the margin of) physical laws. As it can be destroyed (though I have my doubts whether it was destroyed as a physical concept or if the method was destroyed, but it does suggest that for the moment it cannot be used, accessed or even replicated), there's a slim chance it may be recreated, or even duplicated. Perhaps magic is reborn from the remnants of Magitek, or rediscovered from the sufficient advance of technology. Or, there's the chance it simply ceased to exist; simplest explanation there is, and one with very solid fundament.

Are you trying to grasp at straws? Kefka was magic, the God of Magic. It was clearly said that with Kefka's death, magic would cease to exist, vanish from the world, there would be no magic left, etc., as well - not the method. It could not be recreated or duplicated as those would be imitation created by science; it could not be done in any other way (magic) because magic does not exist, so the only way would be through science, but as I said that would be an imitation not having the same properties. All the magical properties of Magitek would cease to work, function, or exist because there is no magic left in the world. It has simply ceased to exist, that's what the game has said and no extra material has suggested otherwise.

Originally Posted by T.G. Oskar

Yet, think of the repercussions. Kefka's legacy may dent the very advance of technology for a large amount of years, who knows if even more. By the very event of the World of Ruin, the effort JUST to recover the world to its original (or resemblance of original) state will draw most of the effort of all civilizations. Kefka will represent a very solid page in history, one that might not be forgotten for very long, if it gets forgotten at all. I don't believe you might consider that event, that period of time as minimal and irrelevant.

Yes, he will be a page in history but that is it, he does not exist as Sephiroth has been able to - still existing is better than being a page. A normal historical book page can't have plots to cause destruction, pain, death, etc. The world will recover quickly enough, the towns weren't in complete shambes as there were structures standing. I would find it surprising if it took longer than 20 years to rebuild; re-populating will take longer, obviously. That time period won't be "minimal" or "irrelevant" as it would have shaped the course of "humanity" on that world. Magitek technology may be persecuted because of what it brought about, incidently that also could void Kefka from coming back. Magic may never be pursued for a long time because of Kefka as well so his "return", highly doubtful, would be a long time coming.

Furthering the theory of how Kefka could return, the possibilities are bleak. Kefka can't be revived with magic as magic is gone and to use magic would mean that he never died - his existence presupposes the use of magic. I have looked to make sure and Kefka, quite interestingly, does not know any healing magic in his final fight version, so a part of him (he disintigrated once defeated) regenerating back is highly unlikely. Of course that would also depend if any part of his body is sentient at all (like Cell or Buu in DBZ as examples) to regenerate without a functioning brain - also highly unlikely that he had this property. After you defeat Kefka in the final battle, his body starts to disintigrate and falls; once the screen returns back to the "field", Kefka is no longer present confirming that his body is no more, especially not in a whole or partially whole form. This is important because scientists could not try to revive him. They could not try to drain "life" out of people and transfering the "life" to him without a body - if that is at all technologically possible. That brings up "how technologically advanced where they"? The game doesn't go in-depth on the process of taking the espers powers and giving them to the recipient, so I assume they just sucked it out of them in some sort of chamber and sent it to the other chamber (something to that extent). Reviving people with that method is not even known to actually work or was stated in the game, so that way is not possible in the end. But since his body disintegrated that would require body reconstruction beyond their ability and add on that they have no DNA technology to even know if what microscopic "thing" they have is even Kefka's. Cloning is not an option either as they are not even close to that; if they did clone him though he would not be necessarily be evil because memories do not transfer.

If you can think of other ways to try to revive him scientifically that would be nice, however they would all end in failure most likely to whatever you suggest, as that world is not that advanced or capable. And if you keep trying to use magic that only makes you look foolish and it is in vain - accept that magic is no more as the game said.


That is all for now.