Kefka puts Sepiroth to shame

[FF_FrEaK]

Originally Posted by Rob17

As far as i can see the only thing sephiroth actuly managed was becoming one the lifestream, i meen look at kefka he poisoned the water supply of doma, killing all, tricked and murderd leo, raised the floating continent, killed the emperor and brought apocalypse to the world.
There is no villain in all of final fantasy that was so insane and cruel that they would destroy the world without hesitation, you have to admire his ambition, even if he is madder than a box of frogs.

I agree with you there, but you could at least give Sephiroth a bit more credit. Sephiroth may not be as crazy as Kefka, but at least Sephiroth is ruthless and doesn't give a damn about killing people. Both of them are equal in evilness but Kefka is more of a traitor and crazy villian...Sephiroth is a cool ruthless one. I'm not saying that Kefka isnt ruthless though because that would be a big lie.

[Rob17]

I'll admit that sephiroth was a cold and calculating man that was fused with mako and created as the template for and the ultimate soldier, a truly diabolical being, i agree with you but as ambition goes i just think that he fell short of the mark, but i do respect him for being sephiroth.

BTW: I dont think traitor is the right word as kefka was always working toward his own agenda, IMO.

[Phantom]

I just got finished beating FFVI once again this morning, and Kefka continues to amaze me! I mean the guy is so devilishly evil. In my opinon Kefka "pwns" Sephiroth in the ground. I mean like Rob said, he not only put poison in Doma's waters killing off everyone there, but he pretty much almost caused the end of the world! Well.. he did, no wonder it was called World of Ruin lol. Kefka's laugh is legendary, classic, and Mad. The Final Boss theme "Dancing Mad" fits kefka perfectly.

~ But what fun is there, if no percious lives are lost? ~ I'll built my own empire...of death!~ Kefka

See? Kefka pwns as a villian, Sephiroth is great and all, but he fails as a villian nothing like Kefka. At least you actually fight kefka a couple times in the game, as with Sephiroth he just sends his mom in to do the dirty work while he flies off like a coward lol. Kefka won't hesitate to kill anyone, no matter who it is lol. Kefka = True Villian among villians

[Demonica]

I like Kefka, but I'll always think Sephiroth is awesome, especially after the small appearence he made in Advent Children and Kingdom Hearts. To be honest, though, I like them both, and they both kick butt against Seifer- who is a whimp... XD

[Shiendar]

I like more of the lines that Kefka is given than Sephiroth. Yeah, Sephiroth was awesome and such, but only Kefka did what he set out to do. I would veiw them as Sephiroth embodying order gone way wrong and Kefka as chaos nearly perfected. Killing millions AND the world vs. killing a few thousand? Kefka wins, baby! That and he was evil and crazy to begin with where Sephiroth is just a sociopath who went crazy the only time he was forced to deal with emotion makes Kefka seem more stable-he deals with shit where Sephiroth doesn't.

[FF_FrEaK]

Originally Posted by Demonica

I like Kefka, but I'll always think Sephiroth is awesome, especially after the small appearence he made in Advent Children and Kingdom Hearts. To be honest, though, I like them both, and they both kick butt against Seifer- who is a whimp... XD

WHOA!!! hold up just one minute buster lol. Seifer is no whimp in my opinion sure Sephiroth and Kefka are way better than him, but Seifer is no whimp ...I never saw Siefer act whimpy at all... he was always the one to make fun of people. SO there Seifer isn't a whimp even though Sepiroth and Kefka are better..

[Rob17]

lol, i dunno if ya ask me even seifer got more done than sephiroth, yeah hes not a killer or a maniac but seifer is deffinatley ruthless and at least he fights his own battles head on.

[Crazy Chocobo]

That is so true! He does put Sephiroth to shame for many reasons. Kefka is a guy people love to hate while everyone seems to love Sephiroth and obsess over him. He's not all that great in my opinion but whatever. That video is awesome and I had never seen it before. Kefka was completely evil and didn't care about anyone or anything, he looked like a psychotic clown which made him even scarier! I personally think he is underrated but everybody has their own opinion about him. In my opinion, he was an excellent villain!

[Rob17]

Who would say the best villain ever?

OBV i would

[MysteryChaos]

Ha! that was awesome, he got owned hard. I would have to say Seph is my favorite only because he was my first FF villian, and I grew to love him, and the way he thinks and how he viewed everyone as a threat to his mom.

But we all know that Kefka would own Seph jsut 'cause Cloud owned Seph when he was a little wimpy asset in SOILDER wearing the lame blue suits.

It breaks my heart a little to say that. </3

[Meier Link]

im going to have to throw a monky wrench in here. yeah kefka was a bad @ss, still is and yes i do think he is more of one then sephiroth but if i was to run into both at a bar i would prolly punch kefka in the face along time before the thought ever crossed my mind to do it to sephiroth. heck that might be why kefka did what he did, to many jurks in high school makin fun of him!!! Sephiroth just looks like a bad @ss hands down. kefka looks like he should be working in a fudge packing plant on 11th street if you catch my drift. why would the emporer want a d-bag like him running around anyways?

[Rob17]

I'll put it into perspective, sephiroth is like a dictator who killed thousands of people mercilessly, that you may or may not of heard about, somewhere far away.

Kefka, is like a ruthless psychopath set free to the public.

Who would you be more scared of?

Sephiroth, who you might of heard about now and again in wispers.
OR
Kefka, who exclaims his presence and causes dispair and anarchy where ever he goes?

[mofuxor]

sephiroth plain and simple

well kefka never came back to life sephiroth has

[Rob17]

Sephiroth gets owned everytime he comes back though?

[mofuxor]

ok he didnt get owned he could have killed cloud if he wanted to hes just bent on causing him pain and sadness

[T.G. Oskar]

Originally Posted by mofuxor

ok he didnt get owned he could have killed cloud if he wanted to hes just bent on causing him pain and sadness

...which means that Seph has an unhealthy, sick sadistic yaoi relation with Cloud. He's obsessed with him, to the point that his mission of reuniting with his mother is secondary only to destroying the only guy who ever stuck a pointy sword at his body.

Wow. Narcissistic, sadist, mama's boy AND yaoi-inclined.

Don't get me wrong: I am of the belief that Seph is a villain that was murdered, zombiefied and glorified by the fanboys. He was not that bad as old-schoolers say he is. It's just that Kefka (which is sadly following the same process as a Sephiroth-response) has greater reasons to be hated.

And, a real villain is someone that makes you hate his or her guts so much, the sole act of stopping its plans once and for all grants you peace of mind, and that fuzzy feeling of having done the right job.

In that point, Kefka is clearly the winner. Few villains do the job right. FOr example, you may not be that angry with Zemus of FFIV fame because he was just a mastermind villain: his master plan was revealed at the very end of the game. Now, how about Golbez? He uses one of the main character's friends, destroys villages almost for fun, and generally makes the PCs lives' a veritable nightmare. Now, if you had the chance to forgive Golbez, would you do so? That adds to the plot, since how someone as mad as Golbez (skipping the whole mind-control thing) could eventually seek forgiveness? Even the most virtuous person would flinch at the idea of granting mercy, let alone Cecil, his brother, and a Paladin of all things. See how that adds to the plot?

Another example. One of my favorite villains is Romeo Guildenstern, from Vagrant Story. He poses as a person dedicated to his job, with high morals, that just happens to oppose you in some terms. In fact, during the entire game, you are led to believe that Ashley's the true villain, until you reach the end. It is here where you see the true nature of Guildenstern. He's rotten, evil, selfish, and just wanted the chance to enter for the promise of power. His appreciation of life is quite evident (he frickin' kills someone who was madly in love with him!!! How can't that be something that makes you hate his guts beyond what a normal person can do?), he cares little for how people end (poor, poor Ashley...). And, he hasn't a funky hairdo or god-like body or even quirks: in fact, it is hardly evident until the denouement of the story that Guildenstern is the true villain. That is good character development.

Now...let's look at Seph. He was merely a puppet of Shin-Ra (being a SOLDIER), he finds out the truth, he snaps out of it. He gets deluded with the idea that he's a god, he seeks his mother (although I dunno, but he has little respect for her), and all of a sudden one random soldier kills him. He revives, but the goal of his crusade to become a god are...bland at most. He wants to take Mommy and him to Promised Land, and cares a jack about the world. Hmmm...suuuuure...awesome character development. Yeah, right.

Now, the extreme opposite. Kefka gets insane because of Magitek experiments on him, violates the right of free thought of a main character (Terra), poisons an entire castle complete with inhabitants as a way to end a war that to him was irrelevant, and probably cheats on his way to lead the attack anyways (it is seen that Leo is given a letter to return, but who actually sent it? Hmm...) Later on, lets himself be captured, and masterminds a whole plot to lead the Empire to where the Espers hide, after being utterly destroyed in the process (sure, he is loyal to the Empire. Heck, even the Emperor never imagined that...) Later on, he allows the Emperor to savor the power of the Statues, and back-stabs him, trying to become a god himself.

Oddly enough, he essentially does.

Cue to dying world, and he lives atop a gigantic tower made from the debris of the world being destroyed. He cares little for people or the world itself. Later on, you face him, and he basks on his glory of being god-like, happily destroying entire villages at its wake. Then, he gets beaten.

Now, the drive beyond his goal is quite odd, frankly. He loathes existence, and only cares of himself. His goal is to 'make up a monument for nothingness'. Insane nihilist...and he has a load of crimes to pay up.

Now, if all of a sudden they desired the mercy of the PCs, which one do you think would cause more impact. Seph and his selfish goal of meeting Mommy and taking her to Paradise, or Kefka and his selfish goal of destroying the world out of a desire of admiring obliteration? This is where a villain's worth is proven: you can probably forgive Seph, as his crusade was meaningless. Kefka, on the other hand, will never receive forgiveness as he is a proven traitor. More than once.

Now you realize why Kefka is one of the best written villains out there, while Seph fails to reach such goal? I will admit, Seph is a good villain (he can't be the worst, just look at Necron. That thing has no reason to be called a villain: Kuja was far much better, and even better than Seph. But that's another story). The thing is, he fails at what a villain is meant to: inspire the most deepest anger, the worst feelings in a person's heart, to eventually allow the hero to overcome his limitations and improve as a person, taking that big chunk of evil out during the way. A good villain makes the hero stand out when the latter defeats him. Which heroes will stand better: AVALANCHE, with a villain that was being observed as an alternative to current form of life (Seph Project, anyone?); or the Returners, whom are against someone who has DESTROYED THE WILL TO LIVE OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE!?!?!?!?!?

That is the reason why I loved seeing how Kefka called Seph a Mama's Boy (tm). He needs some lessons beyond "looking sexy for Japanese girls and the physical envy of Japanese males". And don't say that's because he's a bishounen; these people can be awesome in their own right. Simply put, Seph fails in inspiring the worst in people. Kefka does.

POSTDATA: I had forgotten one very important thing. Silly me. Which final boss has his fights done by it's own mother? Yep, no wonder Seph is a Mama's Boy (TM): still depends on his mother to halt the heroes' advance.

[Rob17]

, my hat goes off to you Oskar, seriously if anyone can top that to do with sephiroth, be my guest....

This is what the debate has been for years, who is better?
Usually fanboys say sephiroth
Gamers say Kefka

for me its down to preference of gameplay and storyline,
hands down Kefka wins.

He is more rounded in terms of development and role, Sephiroth is talked about alot but only seen occasionally, he never has a part in any of his plans, he is deluded about his goals and he is unfocused.

Sephiroths development is poor, when i played i thought that they gave him up almost straight away, for most parts he isnt even slightly sinister let alone villainous, i always felt as though he was missing something.

Now when i first played VI i had no idea that Kefka would turn out to be the man and from the start you can tell that there is more going on than what you can see, it is this that ultimately makes Kefka so fearsome and so evil, many a time walking around the WOR did i hate Kefka for what he had done and was also terrified at how truly sadistic someone could turn out.

Sephiroth is just not hitting the mark, even in AC, which is a shame because at first, even though you know his true aim already, you just think that its only gonna get better and Sephiroth is just going to destroy everything in his path, but he doesn't plus in AC he shows up like 15mins before the end.

BTW: Sephiroth is the master of getting owned, if he really really hated cloud as much as he says then he would kill him, but he doesn't which shows that Sephiroth stil feels as though they are brothers.

[Contra Fates]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TRGt...eature=related

There's the latest video from that Kefka cosplayer, incase anyone cares to watch it.

As for Kefka vs Sephiroth, I see it this way:
Kefka:
DID have the world under his control, and practically destroyed it.
Kefka killed a whole village via poison. On purpose. He wasn't distraught.
Kefka did what he did because he wanted to.
Did die. No resurrection. But, you know, if Square presses onward with these spin-offs, he might just come back.
Has an amazing laugh.
-IS- full fledged bat-shit.

Sephiroth:
Killed a flower girl. ...Not much for bragging rights, I say. =/
Did, supposedly kill 10,000 soldiers single-handedly. [Only in FF, right?]
Had the worst case of Mommy-complex I've ever seen.
He is dead, but his will lives on through it's manipulation of Jenova. That's some bad ass strength right there.
Is supposedly insane, but, just seems very watered down from the psycho that was Kefka.

I say they were both great villains, but my vote goes for Kefka, just because he really stood out in the FF series.

[Inagi]

Ok dammit this is getting stupid.

SEPHIROTH WAS NOT A MOMMAS BOY.

Do you know WHY he wanted to get back to his mother?

So he could USE her.

So he could use her energy to sail across the cosmos.

Not because he loved her, not because he missed her, because he wanted to USE HER to take over the universe.

Im sorry if I come off flaming about this, but it's getting to be annoying.

Oh, and you must've never seen Kadaj, Contra.

Kadaj is something totally different..HE was definately a mommas boy, but Sephiroth wasnt.

and to stay on topic, Kefka was way more evil then Sephiroth, but that doesn't mean Sephiroth was a bad badguy.

[Frank_White]

"MAMA'S BOY!"

Priceless. His laugh was pretty good too, I thought it was a really great impression of Kekfa.

Plus it goes without saying Kefka whoops Sephy's ass. I mean, Kefka ripped the world into pieces! Sephiroth... hid inside a cucoon for a while, then got killed.