Whos Better Eiko or Dagger?

[Lexxiestar]

Yes Who is better Eiko or Dagger

--------->HPs,MPs,STATS<-----------------------
Dagger
Pros :
-Eidolons
-White Maic

Cons :
-The First Boss Will be hard unless you level up to 15
-After the first three bosses your ONLY reliable Offenses will be Ramuh
(which is WEAK and costs alot of MP) and reflected spells off Auto-Reflect
until the end of Disc II
-At the time of the Depression State Dagger
can become really undependable
-Middle Class HP

Overall : Dagger isn't going to be an easy SCC First of all it's
HARD to pass the first boss battle of course to pass them you
need to LEVEL UP but it's going to be hard with Dagger's crappy Rod
and Weak Monsters. And after the first four Bosses your ONLY reliable
Offense is Ramuh (which is WEAK and costs alot of MP) and reflected spells
until the end of Disc II

Difficulty : Hard

Tips :

-Potions and Hi-Potions are useless because you have Cure,Cura and Curaga
unless it's for Auto-Potion.

-You can boost your Elemental Summons by equipping Element-Raising equips
such as Magus Hat and Red Hat.

-BOOST !! this lets you see a full animation of a Summon and thus boost
it's power.

-Confuse might be a good way to finish random battles faster since enemies
will Attack themselves.

-Save your Ethers because you'll always need them

-Ark is hard to get because you have to beat Ozma OR Hades to get
it and it isn't worth it so stick with Bahamut.

-Bahamut vs. Leviathan :

1-Bahamut is more powerful in general.
2-Leviathan can be made MORE powerful w/Pearl Rouge and/or Golden Hairpin.
3-If you want 99 Garnets you'll need 99 Ores + 99 Remedies but if you
want 99 Aquamarines you'll need to have 495 Ores ... a PAIN !!!
4-Leviathan costs 42 MP while Bahamut costs 56 MP

so choose whats better for you.

-Odin can Instant-Death random monsters so it's useful.

-Auto-Reflect is useful for causing Damage.

-The Depression State ... What can you do about it ?? Let's see
You'll have to do TWO places :
Dessert Palace : Vaila Pira : Beat him w/Leviathan
AND
Mt.Gulug (Luckily you won't have to fight the Boss there)
so you can get around it.

-Keep Dagger in the Back-Row always.

-Robe of Lords give you high Defense and a Boost in Magic Defense and all
Primary status so it's useful (Although you can't get it until Disc 4)

-Reflect-Null works great if you use it in conjunction with Auto-Reflect
since you can use Curaga without having it Reflected.


-Ending suggested setup :
Magic Racket (Magic Boost)
Circlet
Dragon Wrist / Magic Armlet
Robe of Lords
Rosetta Ring
Auto-Life / Auto-Potion / Auto-Haste / Auto-Regen / Boost

Eiko
Pros :
-Very good white magic

Cons :
-Very Limited forms of attacking (Fenrir-Holy-Madeen)
-Low HP
-Starts Fairly Late ..

Overall : Eiko is one of the hardest SCCs as her only forms of attacking
(other than the Attack command) are Fenrir,Holy and Madeen (remember that you
can't use Phoenix since it will revive your party members).

Difficulty : Hard but ALOT easier than Dagger

Tips :

-Potions and Hi-Potions are useless because you have Cure,Cura and Curaga
unless it's for Auto-Potion.

-Boost lets you see a full animation of a Summon and thus boost
it's power but by the time you get it you'll already have Holy.

-Confuse might be a good way to finish random battles faster since enemies
will Attack themselves.

-Fenrir's very useful in Disc II (In fact it's the only practical attacking
method at that time)

-HOLY !!! Get the White Robe as early as you can (After getting Blue
Narcisass by getting White Robe from Chocobo H&C

-Keep Eiko in the Back-Row always.

-Robe of Lords give you high Defense and a Boost in Magic Defense and all
Primary status so it's useful (Although you can't get it until Disc 4)

-Reflect-Null works great if you use it in conjunction with Auto-Reflect
since you can use Curaga without having it Reflected.

-Ending suggested setup :
Magic Racket (Magic Boost + Raises Holy's power)
Circlet
Dragon Wrist / Magic Armlet
Robe of Lords
Rosetta Ring
Auto-Life / Auto-Potion / Auto-Haste / Auto-Regen

Yeah ... I copied lots of things from the Dagger section ...

[Squall333]

Wow you typed down a lot of stuff! It is pretty hard to decide. They are both pretty good. Dagger is good with attacking with Eilodons, and Eiko is good with healing. I personally think that Dagger is better. Dagger has better forms of attack and can heal just about as good as Eiko. I also think that Dagger has some better stats if I can remember right. I like to use both of them though.

[Phantom]

Originally Posted by Lexxiestar

Yes Who is better Eiko or Dagger

--------->HPs,MPs,STATS<-----------------------
Dagger
Pros :
-Eidolons
-White Maic

Cons :
-The First Boss Will be hard unless you level up to 15
-After the first three bosses your ONLY reliable Offenses will be Ramuh
(which is WEAK and costs alot of MP) and reflected spells off Auto-Reflect
until the end of Disc II
-At the time of the Depression State Dagger
can become really undependable
-Middle Class HP

Overall : Dagger isn't going to be an easy SCC First of all it's
HARD to pass the first boss battle of course to pass them you
need to LEVEL UP but it's going to be hard with Dagger's crappy Rod
and Weak Monsters. And after the first four Bosses your ONLY reliable
Offense is Ramuh (which is WEAK and costs alot of MP) and reflected spells
until the end of Disc II

Difficulty : Hard

Tips :

-Potions and Hi-Potions are useless because you have Cure,Cura and Curaga
unless it's for Auto-Potion.

-You can boost your Elemental Summons by equipping Element-Raising equips
such as Magus Hat and Red Hat.

-BOOST !! this lets you see a full animation of a Summon and thus boost
it's power.

-Confuse might be a good way to finish random battles faster since enemies
will Attack themselves.

-Save your Ethers because you'll always need them

-Ark is hard to get because you have to beat Ozma OR Hades to get
it and it isn't worth it so stick with Bahamut.

-Bahamut vs. Leviathan :

1-Bahamut is more powerful in general.
2-Leviathan can be made MORE powerful w/Pearl Rouge and/or Golden Hairpin.
3-If you want 99 Garnets you'll need 99 Ores + 99 Remedies but if you
want 99 Aquamarines you'll need to have 495 Ores ... a PAIN !!!
4-Leviathan costs 42 MP while Bahamut costs 56 MP

so choose whats better for you.

-Odin can Instant-Death random monsters so it's useful.

-Auto-Reflect is useful for causing Damage.

-The Depression State ... What can you do about it ?? Let's see
You'll have to do TWO places :
Dessert Palace : Vaila Pira : Beat him w/Leviathan
AND
Mt.Gulug (Luckily you won't have to fight the Boss there)
so you can get around it.

-Keep Dagger in the Back-Row always.

-Robe of Lords give you high Defense and a Boost in Magic Defense and all
Primary status so it's useful (Although you can't get it until Disc 4)

-Reflect-Null works great if you use it in conjunction with Auto-Reflect
since you can use Curaga without having it Reflected.


-Ending suggested setup :
Magic Racket (Magic Boost)
Circlet
Dragon Wrist / Magic Armlet
Robe of Lords
Rosetta Ring
Auto-Life / Auto-Potion / Auto-Haste / Auto-Regen / Boost

Eiko
Pros :
-Very good white magic

Cons :
-Very Limited forms of attacking (Fenrir-Holy-Madeen)
-Low HP
-Starts Fairly Late ..

Overall : Eiko is one of the hardest SCCs as her only forms of attacking
(other than the Attack command) are Fenrir,Holy and Madeen (remember that you
can't use Phoenix since it will revive your party members).

Difficulty : Hard but ALOT easier than Dagger

Tips :

-Potions and Hi-Potions are useless because you have Cure,Cura and Curaga
unless it's for Auto-Potion.

-Boost lets you see a full animation of a Summon and thus boost
it's power but by the time you get it you'll already have Holy.

-Confuse might be a good way to finish random battles faster since enemies
will Attack themselves.

-Fenrir's very useful in Disc II (In fact it's the only practical attacking
method at that time)

-HOLY !!! Get the White Robe as early as you can (After getting Blue
Narcisass by getting White Robe from Chocobo H&C

-Keep Eiko in the Back-Row always.

-Robe of Lords give you high Defense and a Boost in Magic Defense and all
Primary status so it's useful (Although you can't get it until Disc 4)

-Reflect-Null works great if you use it in conjunction with Auto-Reflect
since you can use Curaga without having it Reflected.

-Ending suggested setup :
Magic Racket (Magic Boost + Raises Holy's power)
Circlet
Dragon Wrist / Magic Armlet
Robe of Lords
Rosetta Ring
Auto-Life / Auto-Potion / Auto-Haste / Auto-Regen

Yeah ... I copied lots of things from the Dagger section ...

Very Nice, Very Nice indeed Your the first person I know who put down the pros and cons of a thread like this. Well, judging from the stats of them both, Eiko would have to be my choice. She really gains access to better white magic spells like Holy and hot summon spells like Carby ( aka Carbuncle ) and Madeen. I love Eiko, but I still give some props to Dagger as well.

[Doomtrain]

I used Eiko for Carbuncle. So you could use the Reflect + Water combination. That always inflicted 9999, which was handy.

[Kain FF4]

Dagger all the way! She had much better Eidolins, such as bahamut, and Odin. Also she has a higher attack power and a much deeper storyline. Plus she is Incredibly SEXY!

[VengefulRonin]

Wow, you actually wrote down all their stats and everything O_O

Based on my six files (I play IX once every year), I would have to say Eiko is better. Not in terms of summons, of course, but she gets stronger white magic before Garnet does and she's able to learn Holy. Plus, for a portion of the story Garnet has the annoying habit of not being able to concentrate, and that just plain sucks. I adore Garnet as a character, she's my favorite female character in the FF games, but I never play as her except when I have to.

And frankly, I think both of them are useless. Summons in IX are a joke and white magic is unnecessary due to the easier nature of the game and the amount of curative items the game throws at you.

[Doomtrain]

Originally Posted by VengefulRonin

And frankly, I think both of them are useless. Summons in IX are a joke and white magic is unnecessary due to the easier nature of the game and the amount of curative items the game throws at you.

Touche. As a Noob, i found it neccesary to have a White Mage.

However, after playing through the game, and doing all the quests, its seriously just easier to ditch the white mage.

Vivi's Doomsday can be awesome in battle, if everybody has Shadow Absorb Armour too.

[Tiger Lily]

I have to say Eiko on this one. She can use the better part of the better Eidolons, and she has a better selection of magic as default. Although Dagger's physical attack is obviously superior, magic-wise, Eiko takes the cake. She also seems to have a better evade than Dagger does... But that's based entirely on what I've seen recently. Haven't really looked at the stats on that one. I find that I use Dagger more for physical with a little summoning and Eiko more for summoning with a little healing and very very rarely a physical attack. Like when I want to get a low level monster weak enough for Quina to eat without killing it.
So overall, I have to say Eiko's the better.

[Dragonsrus]

Personally i prefer to use Eiko as all a ther characters are heavy hitters but are all rubbish when it comes to healing but Garnet's summoning cant be ignored either

[AngofWolf]

If you actually use Dagger from the start, then by the time you get Eiko you should be strong enough on her to not even need to think about using Eiko.

Also I don't agree with the idea of you only have Ramuh by the end of disc 2, because I seem to recall having two or three of her summons by then. I only recall this because by the time I had her learn Ramuh I swicthed to learn another summon. And in all reality by the time she learned each summon I had the gem for the next summon. But I do play chocobo hot and cold a lot.. so that might be why...

In all realitiy the only purpose of either Eiko or Garnet on my team is to heal, and with Freya using Rein's Wind I don't find myself even needing to do that much. With that said I think either is fine and its really more based on what you find more pleasing to the eye. A midget or a beauty =p

[guardian]

I loved Dagger. For me part of using a charactor means liking them as a story line character too, and I abhor Eiko in the story. Based on her White magic, dagger may have less power, but for once I will take less power over more.