Dark Knight or Paladin?

I would most defently have to go with Paladin Cecil, i diddent like Dark all that much and even though he did look lame he still kicked major ass, when he was dark i never used Darkness all taht much anyways and his cover skill can be useful sometimes it has allowed me to end many though battles by saving rosa.. but i would most defently go with Paladin Cecil

[ZRO]

OMG, I found this before Jintatsu had a chance to say anything. XD

I'm a Paladin type of person, but only because I'm fond of Holy status for some reason. I personally love the DK as well, but I prefer the Paladin more overall. Though I find it odd how everyone considers the DK to be evil. Cecil never really was evil if ya think about it. I mean, the whole attack on Mysidia, he was following orders, and questioning them in the meantime. Mist he up and completely defies the King's wishes. So DK doesn't equal evil in my opinion, I'm just fond of the Paladin class for some reason. DK is always my second choice though.

Now if I could just find a way to permanently delete that damned tiara...and it's a cape, not a robe ya ninnies. Look at the shoulders, there's still armor there.

[Omega]

Originally Posted by Sega Kid

I don't give a shit how he looks. he works better this way, the dark attack, hits all enemies... If the Paladin had something like that, I'd side with that...
Before, I did only like the dark kinght for how he looked. Now I say, "Who gives a damn?" This is my point.

Thank you for admitting the truth of why EVERYONE likes Dark Knight Cecil. It's because of a fricken 16 bit sprite graphic. It's the same stupid shit with Sephiroth in FF VII, all you groups of fanboys are pathetic. It isn't about skill, so don't act like it is, it's simply because you think that lil sprite looks cool. Same with Sephiroth, everyone loves him because of the FMV's in that game, yet he was a total ***** when you fought him in the end, and Jenova was a blob of shit.

Seriously, the Paladin would grind the Dark Knight into the ground. What could the Dark Knight do against the Paladin?? Dark Wave?? ROFL...yeah right. So let's see, the Paladin with thousands of HP against the Dark Knight with mere hundreds.

The Paladin continually hits the Dark Knight with the Ragnarok or perhaps even the Legend Sword, whatever it doesn't matter. Continually thrashing him, if not killing him in one blow.

Then you have the Dark Knight attacking with "Dark Wave" doing very little damage to the Paladin, and even if it did, it's killing the Dark Knight at the same time.

Paladin wins, no question about it. I'll use the game itself of proof of my testimony.

I don't really care who people choose, but there is no way anyone is going to sit here and try to explain to me that the Dark Knight is actually stronger than the Paladin, because it's simply not true.

What's even more pathetic is that people like him not for Dark Wave or whatever else, it's just because they don't like the way the Paladin looks.

It's like arguing over whether Mario looks better as Fire Mario or Caped Mario. Who the hell cares, it's just sprite graphics!

I like the paladin much better. He can take many more hits than anyone else in the game. I also used cover a bunch. It is very useful when you don't want to attack an enemy (as in the end) because they have a really bad counter.

If you think about it, Dark Wave wouldn't be all that useful except with large groups of random enemies. They are weak by nature though, so you don't need to sacrifice your health to kill them. Later in the game you are often fighting only 1 or 2 enemies, and you DEFINITELY wouldn't want to use Dark Wave on the later bosses. They would laugh at your puny damage and wipe you out in one hit in your weakened state.

His magic was also very useful outside of battle. Cure gets QUITE effective outside of battle. 3 Cures are much better than 1 Cure 2 when you are healing up after a battle. I used Cecil to conserve Rosa's MP, which was very necessary, since I had almost no potions, hipotions, or phoenix downs for the entire core.

Anyway, I don't see why everybody liked DK Cecil, I thought he looked kinda skinny.

[Dawezy]

Who says he'd be stupid enough to use Dark Wave over and over Cobain? hmm? he is smarter then that and you damn well know it. His level 70 stats are pretty close to the Paladin in some respects, has the same Agility but a bit more with the Death Sword equipped. Plus, if you forgot about the Death Sword and its ability to KO a large percentage of the monsters in FFIV ~ its very successful against party members i should add.



Adamant Armour aside, but the chances of getting that in any replay of the game are next to 1 / -6000 or so.

[Jin]

wtf?! I never even saw this thread. lmao, going blind. and stop denieing it ZRO, you love the tiara .

Cobain, i understand your points but the way you are comparing the DK and the Pally is somewhat biased. It would be like comparing a character in a game that has 999 hp as high to a character in the game to which 9999 is the high. you loose the DK class and because of that there is no equipment for it that can rival the Pally's equipment. Also the Pally is supposed to be an improvement so it naturally going to have better stats, however I am going to look at each class' worth for the point that they are available. Now when you first get the Pally, he is incrediablly powerful, the boost in hp and the white magic are very helpful, however I found that later in the game, the white magic was fairly useless, and didn't help to much. If you were soloing with each character then i think they are about even, the DK has multi hit attacks and the pally can cure. However as a party member I much prefered the DK over the pally. And yes of course the sprite is a factor, that's part of the criteria for decided a personal favourite.

[Omega]

Originally Posted by Dawezy

Who says he'd be stupid enough to use Dark Wave over and over Cobain? hmm? he is smarter then that and you damn well know it. His level 70 stats are pretty close to the Paladin in some respects, has the same Agility but a bit more with the Death Sword equipped. Plus, if you forgot about the Death Sword and its ability to KO a large percentage of the monsters in FFIV ~ its very successful against party members i should add.

Actually you don't know what you are talking about. The Death Sword was a good attack sword for Cecil early in the game, however it's death effect ratio was horrid. It hardly ever worked, and if it did it worked mainly on the weakest enemies, with a rare kill here and there on a medium sized opponent, and never on a large beast.

If you are pinning his hopes on a Death effect from the Death Sword, I'll rebute with the fact that he actually has to hit Paladin Cecil, which is not easy to do with some of the later shields in the game that he gets.

Regardless he has about 2 chances to kill the Paladin before the Paladin drops him, considering it would only take 2 hits to take out the Dark Knight. 2 hits max.

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Well regardless of what you think Jintatsu no matter how you break it down the Paladin is better than the Dark Knight, aside from the cosmetic sprite factor. You admitted it yourself, he has higher stats, higher HP, better/stronger weapons, he can actually wear the later armor and shields unlike the Dark Knight. Plus he can heal if he needs to or if the group needs some secondary healing support. The Dark Knight can only kill minimal enemies such as Imp's with the Dark Wave, unless you power leveled your Dark Knight to level 40 before Mt. Ordeals, which is ridiculous and sad, not to mention a waste of time. Plus the move hurts himself.

It's not a biased comparison it's basing them both off of there attributes and strategic applications.

If the attacks/stats etc. were reversed, I'd go with the Dark Knight as well. However cosmetic reasons does not make the Dark Knight the better warrior, because he's not and you all know it.

[Dawezy]

You didnt answer the question

Originally Posted by Myself

Who says he'd be stupid enough to use Dark Wave over and over Cobain? hmm? he is smarter then that and you damn well know it.

If you do your math right, Cobain, its easy to make the Dark Knight the superior of the two.

[Omega]

Where is the question?

Support your claim, how can Dark Knight Cecil be better? He can't, simple as that, lower stats, weaker weapons, weaker armor, etc.

I stated that he'd use Dark Wave since you hyped it up so much, stating that it's the reason why Dark Knight Cecil is better than Paladin Cecil. What...are you now saying it isn't a good ability?

I'm confused, make up your mind. You only like him for cosmetic reasons, the Paladin is way more destructive.

Thanx, I know u know it too

Cobain

[Dawezy]

Lv70 > 99

'nuff said.

The Dark Wave is the key ability of the Dark Knight, but who says its the pinnicle of the game? and that I ejaculate over it? dont assume on my behalf that im obsessed with either the Dark Wave or the design of the Sprites, heh. Im more keen on Anime art of the Dark Knight, if you would care to look at some.


And yes, i know too, but since ive been through just about every single thing to do with stats in the game.. You can take my word for it that its more then possible to make the Dark Knight superior to the Paladin. Like it or lump it stop being so stubborn about it.















Im not wearing any pants!

Or am I wearing pants?




Mmmm.. Rosa..

[Omega]

I didn't assume anything, you have stated your points about the Dark Wave in another thread, so please don't try and change your comments as it makes you look like a hypocrite.

I'm not being stubborn you are, the Paladin is easily stronger and you can continue to disillusion yourself of the fact if you so choose, but the Dark Knight will never be as strong as the Paladin. Jintatsu was right in that remark, he simply does not have the stats or the equipment to defeat the Paladin.

I'm done with this and thank you for admitting to the cosmetic factor of this debate as that is the sole reason you like him better, and just because it's anime doesn't make it any less ridiculous.

The Paladin is still stronger.

[Jin]

whats wrong with liking it because it looks cooler? wasn't the question "which do you like better?" not "which is stronger?". I could easily say, and you have confirmed it that you only like Paladin better because it is stronger, does it matter? No, its just a different reason to like something.

[Omega]

Originally Posted by Jintatsu

whats wrong with liking it because it looks cooler? wasn't the question "which do you like better?" not "which is stronger?". I could easily say, and you have confirmed it that you only like Paladin better because it is stronger, does it matter? No, its just a different reason to like something.

Honestly yes, when the image you are referring to is a 16 bit sprite. It's ridiculous, the whole damn game is graphically weak in comparison to the rest of the series as it was one of the very first games. So yeah it is absurd when you base your reason on a 16 bit sprite image.

Because cosmetics have nothing to do with how "good" something is. If that was the case than every noob to the FF series would say that the older games suck because the graphics as a whole can't compare to the beautiful FMV's of FFX or the clear polygonal FF VII. Which is of course ridiculous as well considering that reasoning pays no mention to the storyline or the characters, or even the battle system of the game.

Sorry but I'll stick with who is actually more useful and in comparison to what super nintendo image looks better. The worst fact of this whole matter is if the Paladin looked cooler, you'd like him for that reason to and that is pathetic. As just like in the above example it pays no attention to the comparison of how they are strategically set up as character classes and there inherant differences.

It's called fanboyism, just like the Sephiroth children and Cloud hippies, and you are both fanboys.

I like the way the Dark Knight looks too....but I'll stay off the bandwagon and go for the character who can kick more ass.

[Jin]

just because you don't care how things appear, does not mean that no one else does. there are other peope with different opinions then you. and I never said that I only liked him because of the sprite. I personally found the DK more usefull then the Paladin, that's just my personal opinion.

[Angel of Death]

Wow. . .

I like him better as a dark knight. But then again, I am the unholy Slayer disciple.

DARKNESS RULES!!!

[Cloud Strife X]

Now, normally i'd say "the evil one", who just happens to be the Dark Knight Cecil. But this time, i'm gonna have to go with the Paladin, who could whip the Dark Knight's ass in a fair one-on-one fight. Now, if the Dark Knight had some powerful weapons and armor that were on par with what the Paladin can equip, he'd probably win. But that's not the case - compared to swords like Excalibur, the Dark Knight's most powerful sword is puny and weak. See, it's so insignificant that I forgot its name. And having Cecil's white magic, although weak, is still VERY useful in certain situations. Plus, i'm still playing the old FF4(2) cartridge on the SNES, so Dark Cecil can only use "fight" and "item", which sucks. So, going against all of my "root for the bad and evil people" philosophies, i'll pick the Paladin.

[Dawezy]

Originally Posted by Cobain

I didn't assume anything, you have stated your points about the Dark Wave in another thread, so please don't try and change your comments as it makes you look like a hypocrite.

I'm not being stubborn you are, the Paladin is easily stronger and you can continue to disillusion yourself of the fact if you so choose, but the Dark Knight will never be as strong as the Paladin. Jintatsu was right in that remark, he simply does not have the stats or the equipment to defeat the Paladin.

I'm done with this and thank you for admitting to the cosmetic factor of this debate as that is the sole reason you like him better, and just because it's anime doesn't make it any less ridiculous.

The Paladin is still stronger.

Did you miss what i said?

Ive done it before, made the Dark Knight in one of my games excell the Paladin by any standard. By the way your speaking to me about this, why are you calling me the stubborn one..

Originally Posted by Cobain

The Paladin is still stronger.

..seems im on the mark there.


Stop reflecting back on the Dark Wave shit too, its doing nothing for your arguement.. hell, your talking about it more then I am so.. heh.. thats hilarious

Im trying to keep a sense of humor about it.. but everytime you reply its like your throwing a bucket of acid down my pants for telling you the facts.

Basically, claiming who is better is based on what criteria the individual uses, thus directing their judgement. Is it aesthetics, phyiscal power (damage dealt), recuperative abilities, personality, etc? Dawezy, I'm intrigued that you managed to make DK statisically more powerful than the paladian. Based on the fact that at level 10 DK had only 200 HP while the Paladin had 700 HP at level 1 that seems impossible. Not saying it is, but that it dosen't make sense. Did you have the two at the same level? Because otherwise it's a moot point.

[Omega]

Originally Posted by Dragonsoul

Basically, claiming who is better is based on what criteria the individual uses, thus directing their judgement. Is it aesthetics, phyiscal power (damage dealt), recuperative abilities, personality, etc? Dawezy, I'm intrigued that you managed to make DK statisically more powerful than the paladian. Based on the fact that at level 10 DK had only 200 HP while the Paladin had 700 HP at level 1 that seems impossible. Not saying it is, but that it dosen't make sense. Did you have the two at the same level? Because otherwise it's a moot point.

I believe he's suffering from delusion's of grandeur.

But thanx for pointing that out as it basically is proving what I've been saying all along. Even at level 1 that Paladin has an extreme amount of HP and all of his other stats are boosted as well. Therefore there is no way at equal levels that the Dark Knight would be stronger, as changing to the Paladin gives him the statistical bonuses.

Even when I use his own comments against him, he has no retort other than...stop bringing that up. He can't make up his mind why he likes the Dark Knight, nor can state how the DK is better, because he statistically and combatitively is not.

[Dawezy]

Beats being ignorant and refusing to accept any alternatives

But hey, hows this for a fact. The Dark Knight excells the Paladin for Agility no less then 38 times inbetween Level 10 - 70, ofcourse it evens out at the end if you are aware of the Level 70 stats but I found this to be quite amusing coming from all these arguements. If you think im making this up then more the fool you, I ran tests in game and compared all the levels and huzzah bend over, so I can put my boot up your ass XD