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[OmniTense]

I'm skittish around heavy metal; any bloody fool can cough and clear their throat at a mic. That's not to say I dislike all of it, but they have to work a little harder to impress me. Quite often lyrics are lost on that genre imo, because quite frankly you can't understand them.

[Chez Daja]

Originally Posted by Pablo Honey

Rock's such a wide thing though. The Beatles and Chuck Berry and early Bowie spawned something I doubt they thought would do what it has. There'd be no metal, no space for 'screamo' without them. So I listen to them rather than the 'genres' they accidentally gave inspiration to. I love all rock, really, apart from really overbearing things. I hate Metallica, Black Sabbath, shit like that. I prefer to be able to enjoy the music without having to concentrate on blocking out half the loud, yet scarily simple, music bits.

Scarily simple music bits that were inspired by equally boring bands? Hmm.

Of course, I wasn't born in the time that The Beatles were creating music, so I guess that's the reason they sound so old and boring to me. It's not that every single Beatles song is crap to me, it's just that only a few of their songs stand out. I think I would've appreciated them more had I been born earlier than I was.

Screamo? Ugh, I wish the industry would spare us that shit.

Whilst I'll agree that the above inspired some of metal, with sub-genres of metal that don't even sound like metal, I would have to disagree. There is no way fathomable that The Beatles would sound similar to the likes of Bergraven and WORSHIP, which are only really linked to metal because of the guitars and the growls they use. That said most metal doesn't even sound like the Beatles anyway, so it could be taken either way.

Originally Posted by Dystopia

I'd agree that emo is a yelling typing of genre, yet most whiney. That's the kind of thing that won't cross my speakers.

Yeah, definately agreed. More whiny than yelling, but there is the occassional My Chemical Romance-esque boy band, who have been trambled in the nuts and then castrated.


EDIT: Sin, what heavy metal have you been listening to? o_O;

[OmniTense]

I don't listen to it. But I did use to like Dio, ages ago it seems. He eventually got so boring with his lyrics that all his songs blended and the result is that I don't listen to it much anymore. Why do you ask?

[Halie]

Originally Posted by Sinister

I'm skittish around heavy metal; any bloody fool can cough and clear their throat at a mic. That's not to say I dislike all of it, but they have to work a little harder to impress me. Quite often lyrics are lost on that genre imo, because quite frankly you can't understand them.

Now that's something I agree with. Sometimes you can't understand what they're singing, and it's a bit irritating, especially when the song has a nice beat and melody to it. It can kind of ruin it. But at the same time, if the lyrics to a particular metal song were about anger and such, then the screaming vocals could give it great effect and really express the lyrics in my opinion. But I guess there's two sides.

Also, I think newer metal bands actually came from Iron Maiden and such, but like Chez said, I wasn't around during that time to really know. But Maiden did play a big part in the metal scene, moreso than the Beatles. But then Maiden probably emerged a bit from the Beatles, right? (Ugh, excuse my knowledge of musical history. I'm no good at the subject history, anyway >.> lol)

[Chez Daja]

Originally Posted by Sinister

Why do you ask?

Because I know maybe one heavy metal band that makes those noises [quoting you; coughing and clearing throats] into a microphone.

You wouldn't be referring to the likes of Grindcore, would you? [See Anaal Nathrakh; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30Mvn13um4I ]

[OmniTense]

That is precisely what I mean... The entire song is a casualty to me, because of those vocals. It's disappointing, because it sounds like it could've been a very convincing and acceptable song otherwise.

-Sin

[Chez Daja]

Originally Posted by Sinister

That is precisely what I mean... The entire song is a casualty to me, because of those vocals. It's disappointing, because it sounds like it could've been a very convincing and acceptable song otherwise.

-Sin

Okay, I can see where you're coming from. I just wasn't sure which genre you were originally referring to.

Pretty much all grindcore bands have that sound, although it's also a trait known in brutal death metal, math metal and technical black metal.

[You]

Yeah sometimes the growls and screams can get tedious when you cant understand anything. Whats the point? Lyrics are meant to be heard not sound like a bunch of random noises and grunts. Although quite often I like it^^

Ive done a bit of Music history and yeah Maiden had a big influence on rock music. But perhaps an even bigger influence was Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, The Sex Pistols etc. Music goes through fashions just like everything else and from each fashion there has been a band or bands that have influenced music alot.

In the beginning you had the beginning of rock as we know it with Sabbath and Deep Purple, Led Zepplin etc. Of course these bands drew influence from The Beatles, The Beach Boys and Elvis

You then have Punk and the Sex Pistols

80's Hair Metal/I think thrash was aroud this time too - Twisted Sister/Metallica etc.

90's Grunge - Nirvana

00's We've had the nu metal wave with band such as Linkin Park setting the trend and recently emo with MCR setting trend.

However I have to admit Linkin Park and MCR are probably not going to change music much at all, especially in the way it has changed before. I might have missed something out or could be remembering wrong so feel free to contradict or correct me here...

[Halie]

It sounded like he was dying. >.>

I switched it off after about seven seconds of being into it. *which will now bug me for the next hour or so, because I didn't listen to the end of it, but it was torturous, so I couldn't*.

Is it screaming all the way through, or? If so, then I agree with Sinny on this one.

That's right, Sinister. I called you Sinny.

EDIT: Darnit, I forgot about Deep Purple. Aye, I knew that they had a big impact on the metal scene, too. Although I don't think the Sex Pistols did. I think they gave inspiration to newer Punk bands. Or at least, bands that call themselves punk, such as Good Charlotte >.>

And as for Linkin Park, at least their old stuff was Nu-metal. But then they moaned and moaned and MOANED about them notthinking they were nu-metal and tried to change things around a bit. I don't know what they sound like now though...kind of a poppy rock type of thing?

Oh aye, and MCR ad LP gave birth to the evermore annoying emo scene, right? Thanks MCR. I actually don't think some of their tracks are too bad (bare in mind I used to love them quite a bit), but then they became over played and..yeah. >.>

[Chez Daja]

Originally Posted by You

Yeah sometimes the growls and screams can get tedious when you cant understand anything. Whats the point? Lyrics are meant to be heard not sound like a bunch of random noises and grunts. Although quite often I like it^^

Call me crazy, but I love that sound. Sometimes it's just what I like to relax to. Just a deep set of growling vocals with the ocassional set of Akerfeldt vocals. Of course, I like other genres, too.

However, you may or may not be interested to know that Anaal Nathrakh (band in the above link I gave to Sin) have never publicly released their lyrics, this was an intended thing. It's said they speak about post-apocalyptic shit. I guess they find that stuff interesting.

Originally Posted by You

However I have to admit Linkin Park and MCR are probably not going to change music much at all, especially in the way it has changed before. I might have missed something out or could be remembering wrong so feel free to contradict or correct me here...

I dunno... See, I think that Link Park's first two albums Hybrid Theory & Meteora (yes, I have heard them, I used to be a massive fan about five years ago) have a way different sound to the songs I've had the misfortune to hear from Minutes To Midnight. Whilst I believe i has a couple of set similarities, I believe they've turned slightly more into the emo genre rather than nu-metal.

Now they're like nu-metal with hip hop and with emo influences or something. That was a disappointment more than anything. I'm not an LP fan anymore, but I was pretty embarrassed listening to that little emo-pop-queen number out of MTM. (What I've Done, was it? Ew...)

EDIT:

Originally Posted by Dystopia

It sounded like he was dying. >.>

I switched it off after about seven seconds of being into it. *which will now bug me for the next hour or so, because I didn't listen to the end of it, but it was torturous, so I couldn't*.

Yep, pretty much. That's grindcore with tech influences for you, though. I personally like their music, but I understand it's not for everyone.

Originally Posted by Dys

Or at least, bands that call themselves punk, such as Good Charlotte >.>

This is something I don't often do, but, what genre would you say Good Charlotte was? I believe punk with perhaps... ska influences? I'm really not sure on this one...which is rare and frightening to me.

As for your opinions on LP starting the emo scene. I only believe their lyrics influenced it. Most of their old music was different to their newer, more emo stuff.

[OmniTense]

Originally Posted by Dystopia

It sounded like he was dying. >.>

Is it screaming all the way through, or? If so, then I agree with Sinny on this one.

That's right, Sinister. I called you Sinny.

S'okay, most people do. ^^



And there are a few bands that sound like that I spare my hatred for a few simple songs. I didn't mind Cradle of Filth's version of the Goth classic: No Time to Cry. But precious little else...

-Sin

[You]

Although I don't think the Sex Pistols did.

The Sex Pistols gave rise and inspiration to Old School Punk with such bands as Rancid and early Green Day. I forgot to mention The Ramones, they are more of an inspiration to New School Punk, influencing such "punk" bands as Good Charlotte etc.

EDIT: Chez Deja I know what you mean. I really love that kind of vocal styling alot too. Have you ever heard of a band Scar Symmetry, I think it would be quite your thing. One of my favourites at the moment. And yeah Linkin Parks direction has changed alot, but they along with Limp Bizkit gave rise and mainstream attention to the Nu Metal genre. Without them we probably wouldnt have such bands as Slipknot, SOAD etc

[Halie]

Ah. The Ramones. I can't particularly remember what they sound like, but didn't they lend themselves to make the mod scene? Has anyone heard of the mod scene? It was a big thing back in like the 70s and 80s and stuff in the UK. It was mainly bands like The Jam and such. My Dad was a 'mod' back in the day. He still kind of is, actually...still listening to the music and such.