Do you ever feel Guilty if you kill animals or insects?

[Silver]

Firstly let me say this. Flies are very tasty. VERY tasty.

Now onto a more serious note, I believe that killing an animal is wasteful unless you're planning on using it as food or something. Even then I feel you shouldn't kill in excess.
That said, Flies are inhumanely annoying at times and can cause a lack of focus due to the noise they emit. And then there are animals where it'd be kill or be kill. I have nothing against killing a fly if it doesn't get the hint when I attempt to get it to leave, and if an animal ever got into the state of mind where it felt it had to kill me for food or whatever, I wouldn't hesitate to rip it's throat out with my teeth and quench my thirst with it's blood.
Not that I'd do things that way of course.....

[Setzertrancer]

I have another story

When I was a kid, we used to have 3 stray cats hang around our house. We also had a house cat of our own. At first it was all good, our house cat was fussy and would often leave half of her bowls full and leave them so I started putting them outside for the strays. This continued for many months and I was slowly getting the strays (which was 1 cat and 2 kittens by the way) to trust me at first they would run if I approuched and after a while the adult would let me pat it, then one of the kittens, the other kitten however never trusted me.

After a while my grandma suddenly decided she wanted to catch them and put them down because our house cat didn't like them. This upset me because I was starting to feel like the stray were my own pets. So she set up a trap outside and caught the adult first in a cage and I never saw it again. After that I wanted to try and prove that I could get one of the kittens house trained (they weren't really kitten anymore at this point). So I set up my own trap and captured the one that didn't trust me and brought it into my room and tried to calm it down. But it struggled ferociously, bit me very hard and started running around the room crashing into things. So I gave up and opened the door so it could run outside. Soon that cat was captured by my grandma and finally the last nice kitten was caught in the last cage. I was the only witness that it had been caught so I let it out and hoped it would run off somewhere else. But it was back and soon caught again. I brought the cage into my room and feed it and patted it through the bars until eventually my grandma took it away.

Awesome story huh

[Jin]

Originally Posted by Sinister

Yes, you see, because holding me responsible for eating a dead animal is purely retarded. I did not kill it.

You're only as responsible as the man who hires the hitman, or rather the man who asks another man to hire one. I'm not debating whether it's wrong or right; frankly I don't care what your morals are, but the animal died because of the demands of the consumer. And you're a consumer. Unless you only eat roadkill. Some people do that.

Originally Posted by Usagy

It's a bit crap saying that we feel guilty killing bugs and don't care eating ham.
That would mean that you expect us to eat flies after we crush them? lol

Come again?

[OmniTense]

Originally Posted by Jintatsu

You're only as responsible as the man who hires the hitman, or rather the man who asks another man to hire one. I'm not debating whether it's wrong or right; frankly I don't care what your morals are, but the animal died because of the demands of the consumer. And you're a consumer. Unless you only eat roadkill. Some people do that.

Your morals are your morals; but I must say that I find your grasp of logic in this topic...questionable.

Try and follow the science of directing blame where it belongs and not relegating it to whom you deem responsible.

"So, if a son that is by his father sent about merchandise do sinfully miscarry upon the sea, the imputation of his wickedness by your rule, should be imposed upon his father that sent him: or if a servant, under his master's command transporting a sum of money, be assailed by robbers and die in many irreconciled iniquities, you may call the business of the master the author of the servant's damnation: but this is not so: the king is not bound to answer the particular endings of his soldiers, the father of his son, nor the master of his servant; for they purpose not their death, when they purpose their services."

Blame is not an illusory thing that you can pin on the afterbirth. What is done, is done by the people that do it, not by the people that profit from it. I do not arrange for a pig to be slaughtered, and yet, whether I profit by it or not, the pig will be slaughtered. Thus the causality of it is muffled by the fact that blame has no place in the greater cause and effect due to the fact that the recipient would have to be the non-salient masses and not attributed to any single entity.

A relationship exists between the supplier and the consumer(this much is true) but the existence of that relationship is independant of any single entity and is reliant only upon a great consumer following that is indestructible. Thus, it doesn't matter whether you repudiate the eating of meat, not participating in the consumerism will not cease the practice and therefore the blame cannot possibly rest with you. For if you reject the entire idea, it doesn't change anything, thus it cannot possibly be your fault. You may feel the pang of guilt from it, but I assure you that it is not something shared by many...

[Jin]

That's an utter tripe. 'Because it will happen anyways' doesn't make you blameless for helping it happen. People will die whether I kill someone or not; by that logic, I may as well kill people because they'll die anyways. I'm not to blame.

The thing about this situation is that you know that the animals are being killed when you make the purchace. Buying merchandise that you know is stolen is, in my opinion, still theft. I suppose you may not agree with that, but you can't escape the fact that you're at least helping kill animals. That's fine and dandy if you are, I'm not the morality police, but to deny that you're helping is just denial.

PS: I don't feel guilty when eating an animal; I simply find having a corpse in my mouth rather distateful.

[cloud strife1434]

Originally Posted by SeTzertrANcer

Yes I'm trying to dominate General Chat with my name, what's it to ya?

So do you?

I once felt guilty about killing this large dangerous looking spider in my room. See I snuck up on it with a can of flyspray and blasted the little dude, because I was worried that it might sneak up on me in my sleep and bite me. I then realised the Irony of what I did and felt quite guilty, for killing the innocent little spider?

So now that you understand the context answer me?

yes i feel guilty because there poor creature

[OmniTense]

Originally Posted by Jintatsu

That's an utter tripe. 'Because it will happen anyways' doesn't make you blameless for helping it happen. People will die whether I kill someone or not; by that logic, I may as well kill people because they'll die anyways. I'm not to blame.

The thing about this situation is that you know that the animals are being killed when you make the purchace. Buying merchandise that you know is stolen is, in my opinion, still theft. I suppose you may not agree with that, but you can't escape the fact that you're at least helping kill animals. That's fine and dandy if you are, I'm not the morality police, but to deny that you're helping is just denial.

PS: I don't feel guilty when eating an animal; I simply find having a corpse in my mouth rather distateful.

From the above conversation, I have good reason to doubt your ability to successfully recognize tripe at all, and now I'm having a good deal of wonderings about your logic.

The absence of the 'practice' does not cease the 'result'! So how can you assign responsibility unless you're just desperately wanting to stir shit?

Well, whatever, I'm not going to argue with you until I'm blue in the face. It's not so much a matter of me agreeing to disagreeing, as it is of me giving up. Besides, sometimes stubborness is it's own punishment.

Kind Regards,
-Sin

[Chez Daja]

I hate spiders, so they die at any given chance. But even then, I don't do the killing. When I see a big-ass spider, I yell for my dad, then run away so I don't have to see him taking it to the toilet.

Sounds very childish, yes? That's because I've been doing the same thing since I can remember and the habit never lost me.

I've even made my boyfriend promise to get rid of spiders when we move in together, that's how creeped out I get.


Ants I don't care about, so I don't feel much guilt... If I kill anything else, then I feel guilty. I feel guilty eating meat as well. I seem to eat less and less of it these days...

[Jin]

Originally Posted by Sinister

From the above conversation, I have good reason to doubt your ability to successfully recognize tripe at all, and now I'm having a good deal of wonderings about your logic.

The absence of the 'practice' does not cease the 'result'! So how can you assign responsibility unless you're just desperately wanting to stir shit?

Well, whatever, I'm not going to argue with you until I'm blue in the face. It's not so much a matter of me agreeing to disagreeing, as it is of me giving up. Besides, sometimes stubborness is it's own punishment.

Kind Regards,
-Sin

Awww, way to be a kill joy.

Chez: It's not childish, just whimpy.
Don't feel too bad though, insects creep the **** out of me. Long and bendy ones especially...like grasshopers and centipedes. They give me the gibblies. I have no qualms with killing them, assuming I can find the courage to get that close to them

[Yuki-onna]

Yeah. I do. All the freaking time. Even mosquitos or gnats so tiny I can't even properly see their structure.

But then, I remember I'm evil and don't really care about the trivial purposes of lesser beings, and I swat flies and kill kittens and am on my merry way.

[Govinda]

Yes, if I have no intention of eating them.

[Chez Daja]

^Well, I hear in some countries, spiders are a delicacy... Am I right, or was it some other disgusting bug?

In any case, you'll never catch me poking an eight legged critter into my mouth either! xD