Hmmm... Why do so many dark and hardcore or even just "metal" people...

[Georg Prime]

Originally Posted by .EcKS.

The way i look at it is a FAD. It's cool in metal for you to hate jesus or atleast slander religion in general. Just like if you go to hardcore shows its cool to be straight edge, its not a life style choice its just whats in fashion.
If you dont like religion fine THAT'S cool, just don't persecute those who do believe in jesus or god, like i know many "metal" heads who do.

I don't specifically like metal heads either i find that they are the biggest elitest assholes of ANY musical listener. BUT i do have a friend who is a metal head and he is one of the smartest, nicet peple i know, but the elitest comes out every now and then. Not sayin that you all are educated and nice, becasue im sure alot of you aren't. But this is also saying that im sure alot of you arent elitest pricks.

So why can't we all be one big happy family, maybe make out a little, y know some tongue in mouth action. maybe hold hand watch a scary movie and cuddle.?

I think I kinda agree here. As much as I do listen to some metal, I do feel that a lot of metalheads are some of the most elitest (and narrow minded) assholes when it comes to music listeners.

Atleast they come off that way, but honestly I'm really cool with some of the metalhead/BoD members around here (and have a few metalhead friends in the real world), sure they love their metal and may have an attitude about it sometimes, but whatever, they're good people as far as I'm concerned and I honestly don't give a shit what music they listen to or what their beliefs are either.

I don't judge anyone, I may not be a religous person at all, but I don't care who what you are worshipping or what kind of music you are listening to.

As Splattergore explains: "To each his own indeed"

[Angantyr]

Originally Posted by Perdedor

Still doesn't explain why Setian War Metal is strictly anti-christian.

Oh dear did you just skim over one of the most informative posts in this thread or what? Allow me to show you are few bands and their lyrical themes:

Ensiferum - Finnish Warrior music with Folkish Elements
Drudhk - Ukranian Nature Metal
Emperor - Viking Philosophy
Dawn - Hatred for Humanity
Immortal - Viking music from the Mountains
Kristllnacht - Hatred of Jews and Rise of Nazism
Shining - Depression, Suicide
Lordaeron - Warcraft themed (Also a member of the BoD)
Warbutcher - Anti-semtic War
Silencer - Insanity

And I could really go on... what I am getting at is your post and ideas about what we are interested in is some of the most ill-informed bullshit that even Jintatsu would understand even better than you.

PS: Nin` does not really listen to Metal, he listens to Trance and Techno and stuff like that

[Bryan]

I am openly sacrilegious. I'll never deny that.

Especially towards catholicism. Child molestation, murder, scandals, lies and betrayal. What a great cult to be a part of, no?

Why do I hate catholicism? Oh, let me count the ways....


1. Jeann D'Arc was condemned by the Catholics and burned at the stake as a witch (though insisting the voice she had heard was the voice of God). BUT WAIT! The Catholics made it all better by making her a saint.....489 years later. Way to go killing a teenager and making her a saint almost 500 years later! Awesome!

2. Child molestation! Need I say more? A bunch of celebate old men around choir boys...you knew it was bound to happen. Score two for the Catholics!

3. Check out this quote...

"Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."

Hmmm. Who would say something so stupid in a time of war against muslims? I'll tell you. Pope Benedict XVI! Way to go, old man! I wouldn't expect anything less from the mouth of a man who was in the Hitler Youth program.

His apology only pushed the issue further. He's an idiot as are the rest of the Vatican.

I could go on about why I am against Catholicism (or just churches in general), but I have a pizza to eat and honestly...that's way more important to me than churches or Catholocism will ever be.

[Cloud Strife X]

Originally Posted by Alucard

"Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."

Hmmm. Who would say something so stupid in a time of war against muslims? I'll tell you. Pope Benedict XVI! Way to go, old man! I wouldn't expect anything less from the mouth of a man who was in the Hitler Youth program.

I'd just like to pop in for a sec and point out that Emperor Palpatine... oops, I mean Pope Benedict... was quoting some Byzantine emperor when he said that. So that's more of an issue of 14th century (or something like that) Orthodox Christianity being shitty. But I guess it was fairly dumb for the Pope to be saying that, all the same.

Anyway, I too listen to metal, frequently, but i'd hardly call myself a metalhead. Metalheads aren't allowed to enjoy hip-hop or classic rock just as much as metal, last I checked. That being said, I won't deny that I have a severe dislike of Christianity, as i've had some pretty bad experiences with some of the Christians in my hometown. I try not to hold a grudge against individual Christians, as I know some Christians that are cool people. It's only the ones that tell me what I should and should not be doing that piss me off.

In all fairness, I should state that it's not only Christians that are capable of doing that - I know a Buddhist, for example, that tries to order me around sometimes in a vain attempt to make me act "good". But, because of my cultural background, the vast majority of religious assholes i've run into have been Christian, and because of my experiences back when I was actually Christian (about five years ago), I will always hold a special dislike for Christianity. Not necessarily the individual Christians, just the religion itself. The only times I mention Satan are those times when I want to piss some hardcore Jesus-freak off. I'm hardly serious about it. In real life, I keep my own religion private and try not to talk about it; thus, most people I know think i'm just an agnostic, and i'd like to keep it that way.

[Gorath Sodom]

I also must point out that molestation is every bit as common in the Protestant Church as it is in the Catholic Church.

In the past year there was a big scandal involving a Baptist minister and his macking of little boys down here in J-ville. But that's not the only case. Bottom line, it don't matter what denomination, child molesting priests are everywhere.

[Leviathan]

Originally Posted by OmniTense

Oookkaaayy *points at Guts* WOOOOooo! j/k

You do know that the etymology of the word "Satan" is (great enemy) doesn't sound like a benevolent force that deserves any special attention to me.

Actually Satan means 'adversary'.

As in the opposing force, a force of nature designed to go against the grain, to rebel in the face of oppression. To not have to bow down to anyone, to be ones own God.

Ave Satanas

[OmniTense]

Originally Posted by Leviathan

Actually Satan means 'adversary'.

As in the opposing force, a force of nature designed to go against the grain, to rebel in the face of oppression. To not have to bow down to anyone, to be ones own God.

Ave Satanas

Actually, if you want to get into semantics, "satan" comes from the Hebrew word which means "accuser".

I was generalizing on on the soul context of the word, so to speak.

[Cloud Strife X]

Originally Posted by Leviathan

Actually Satan means 'adversary'.

As in the opposing force, a force of nature designed to go against the grain, to rebel in the face of oppression. To not have to bow down to anyone, to be ones own God.

Ave Satanas

And as I recall, in Judaism, Satan is/was actually working for God - he was God's "accuser" that tempted people into sin; in other words, the "adversary". (EDIT: *ahem* OmniTense beat me to it. Oops. Sorry.) Either way you cut it, Satan isn't a goody-goody bastard, and I respect him for that (even if I don't believe in him as an actual entity).

Originally Posted by Guts

I also must point out that molestation is every bit as common in the Protestant Church as it is in the Catholic Church.

In the past year there was a big scandal involving a Baptist minister and his macking of little boys down here in J-ville. But that's not the only case. Bottom line, it don't matter what denomination, child molesting priests are everywhere.

Well, shit, there's just so many rules against Catholic priests touching women, and in the Protestant ministers' case, their wives are probably really shitty in bed anyways, so... where are they gonna get their sex?

[Georg Prime]

Yeah I grew up in a Catholic school and I think it's awful that all of this corruption is going on within the Catholic Church, from day one I've never been a true follower of the church though. Last time i attended any kind of mass was probably like five years ago or more or something. I would never want to be attatched to such a corrupt and horrible institution. One of the priests at my elementary school was fired when I was attending school there for molesting some of the students. Crazy thinking I could have been a victim, good thing I had no interest in being an altar boy.

It's funny because a local priest in my area has been speaking about the no marriage thing. He's an old priest who has created some scandal by marrying a nun. He believes that the no marriage thing should be removed since It's not in the bible and It's at the root of so many of the church's problems *cough*cough* sexually assaulting boys *cough*cough*

[Leviathan]

Originally Posted by OmniTense

Actually, if you want to get into semantics, "satan" comes from the Hebrew word which means "accuser".

Hmmm. You say it means one thing, I say another, now you say another.... sounds like cognitive dissonance to me.

Actually I didn't want to get into semantics and since you assumed I did, let's dig a little further.

What you said:
"Satan comes from the Hebrew word which means 'accuser'"

What Wikipedia says:
Satan, from the Hebrew word for "accuser"

It's obvious that you can read something from the Wikipedia site, we've established this, but wait, let us read a little further:




"Satan is the accuser, a member of the divine council, who challenged the religious faith of humans".

The nominative satan (meaning "adversary" or "accuser"), and the Arabic إبليس(shaitan), derive from a Northwest Semitic root śṭn, meaning "to be hostile", "to accuse".


What I actually said is quoted in the Satanic Bible. Satan represents the antithesis of Christianity and Christian views.


So in essence we are both correct but from different viewpoints. According to Christianity Satan leads people into temptation, he's the accuser, the great enemy, the adversary, the enemy, the devil etc etc ad infinitum.

But from different viewpoints he is something far different. A wiseman once said, "One mans terrorist is another man's freedom fighter".

Again, in essence we are both right, the difference; I am a Satanist, you are not.

[Jin]

Don't use the Satanic bible as a source. Lavey thinks that the word 'devil' was derived from the Hindi "devi", meaning god, when it was actually derived from the Greek "Diabolos" (and subsequently from Latin, old English, etc) and means slanderer. Using his works is just as bad a source as an actual bible.

Regarding priests molesting children. Athiests molest children too. Agnostics molest children too. Satanists molest children too. Muslims molest children too. Jews molest children too. Religion ISN'T a factor. It just makes it more of a scandal.

[Faustus]

I won't lie and say I don't hate Christianity with a passion. I hate %80 of all Christians I've ever met but I try not to hate the cool people who have Christian beliefs. But its not my reason for liking metal, reading what Christians consider to be blasphemous books, or playing that Satanic game of all Satanic games: D&D. I merely enjoy these things in and of themselves.

Originally Posted by Perdedor

...Associate themselves with Jesus and God, even if it is just hatred of such?
"Christ-killer"... hmm..... "Anti-christ"... ahem...

Now how I can associate myself with fictional character's I'll never know but about the hatred of Christianity, personally I hate it because its an illogical system of belief that propagates stupidity.

Originally Posted by Perdedor

I see obsession.

Actually you see more of a fun hobby.

Originally Posted by Perdedor

As it is Biblically explained, even demons believe Jesus is the Son of God. They oppose, but they say such anyways.

Last time I checked I wasn't a demon and have never come across any proof of the existance of Hell or Heaven.

Originally Posted by Perdedor

And why does the alliance have to be in opposition to Christianity? Why can't it merely exist on it's own? Or even be in opposition to something else, really?

I hate to break it to you but my beliefs exist perfectly well with or without your. For the record I am a nihilistic Asatru, and none of what I believe in is derived from Christian mythology.

Originally Posted by Perdedor

And such associate themselves with "evil", then turn around and say... "Evil is only an opinion!". Such a "peaceful" lifestyle resembles Islam. Which is purely opposition. Which is reeeeally nerdy.

For me to associate myself with evil, I would have to believe that good and evil are valid concepts, and they aren't as far as I'm concerned.