Hmmm... Why do so many dark and hardcore or even just "metal" people... - Page 2

Jin · 02-09-2007, 11:05 AM

And yet again the Jew card is played. I love how someone can honestly say "They're worse than me because they think they're better." and at the same time assume that they're all the same. Oh the hypocrisy.

98% of Christians are assholes? No. You've had statistically uncommon dealings if that's the case. Most of the Christians around the world are descent people who respect other people's choices. The reason you may remember them less is because they don't go around feeling the need to blurt out all of their beliefs for no reason; something that fundamentalists of both Christianty and Atheism/Satanism do (the more things change...). Besides, all religions have stories and lies, including the "left hand" religions.

darkViVi · 02-09-2007, 11:22 AM

I love the jew card.

*resists desire to post now*

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98% of Christians are assholes? No. You've had statistically uncommon dealings if that's the case. Most of the Christians around the world are descent people who respect other people's choices. The reason you may remember them less is because they don't go around feeling the need to blurt out all of their beliefs for no reason; something that fundamentalists of both Christianty and Atheism/Satanism do (the more things change...). Besides, all religions have stories and lies, including the "left hand" religions.

Well, have you been in Norway? 98% of all Norwegian Christians are assholes or whatever you'd like to call it.. WAIT!!! I am the asshole

Annoying bitches, yes that's what they where. And they are just like I described. Did you BTW know that Norway has been under Christian rule for ages? And it bloody sucks!

I'm not saying that because it's something cool to say, I'm saying it because it's the truth.

As for lies and stories.. All religions are built up on them, that is one of the reasons I don't like them. I don't really like science either but atleast it's the truth and the truth can be interesting unlike false stories about some jew getting crucified down in Israel.

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"They're worse than me because they think they're better." and at the same time assume that they're all the same.

I've never compared my self to either jews or Christians, why would I? I am so different from them that it would be pointless. I don't like them, I stay away from them. Easy as that.

Perdedor · 02-09-2007, 11:27 AM

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98% of Christians are assholes? No. You've had statistically uncommon dealings if that's the case. Most of the Christians around the world are descent people who respect other people's choices. The reason you may remember them less is because they don't go around feeling the need to blurt out all of their beliefs for no reason; something that fundamentalists of both Christianty and Atheism/Satanism do (the more things change...). Besides, all religions have stories and lies, including the "left hand" religions.

Hmmm. I step into my thread yet again to state something:

Jesus was Jewish. His existence was undeniable. It's quite foolish to say that he never existed, or even that his ministry on earth was a bunch of stories. That's like trying to imagine something so vigorously that a person would deny that the flood recorded in Genesis never happened.

Christianity has plenty of lies. Benny Hinn and his kind use it even to get their slice of cash. But I stated in the first place that many people focus on the downfall of a single thing. ONE THING. And that has to be for a reason. A very strong reason indeed.

And I rofl'd cause I forgot to add this:

Quit mixing up Orthodox Catholicism with Non-denomonational Christianity. It ruins your validity.

Jin · 02-09-2007, 11:43 AM

...When did I say Jesus didn't exist? Do you actually have a point with this thread anymore or are you simply attacking people at random, including those that are, for the most part, agreeing with you, such as myself?

That post was actually directed at DarkVivi, Miwa. You posted before me and I didn't notice.

DarkVivi, I'm not even going to get into the Jewish thing anymore because, frankly, the pointless hostility is growing tiresome and I doubt anything I say will matter anyways.

MiwaMiwa · 02-09-2007, 11:48 AM

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...When did I say Jesus didn't exist? Do you actually have a point with this thread anymore or are you simply attacking people at random, including those that are, for the most part, agreeing with you, such as myself?

That post was actually directed at DarkVivi actually, Miwa. You posted before me and I didn't notice.

DarkVivi, I'm not even going to get into the Jewish thing anymore because, frankly, the pointless hostility is growing tiresome and I doubt anything I say will matter anyways.

HAHA Okay, my bad

I was confused, because I didn't think I had said a lot of those things, but it was after my post so I assumed. And you know what they say when you assume things...

**OceanEyes28** · 02-09-2007, 12:33 PM

Ahahaha.

Calm down, Helter, no one's getting warned just yet. There hasn't been any flaming. I considered closing this after I saw the thread posted last night because I imagined a lot of angry replies... but I kind of wanted to watch the fireworks so I kept it open. So far, most of the posters in here have handled themselves..... fairly well. So I'm going to let the discussion continue.

Carry on, but be adults. Easy.

Perdedor · 02-09-2007, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jintatsu

...When did I say Jesus didn't exist? Do you actually have a point with this thread anymore or are you simply attacking people at random, including those that are, for the most part, agreeing with you, such as myself?

That post was actually directed at DarkVivi, Miwa. You posted before me and I didn't notice.

DarkVivi, I'm not even going to get into the Jewish thing anymore because, frankly, the pointless hostility is growing tiresome and I doubt anything I say will matter anyways.

Never did I say that YOU said anything of the sort.

I'm merely interjecting. Because several times, Christianity has been described as a mere lie.

darkViVi · 02-09-2007, 01:24 PM

Well, can you prove that he ever existed? Also Christianity is a mere lie, just like every religion is. Personally I don't believe in what I have never seen but at the same time I'm not thinking it doesn't or didn't exist. Except for gods, devils and whatnot.

And why are you saying that his existence is undeniable? Are there any physical proof that he existed, and no, I'm not denying it *points @ what I said above*
But I am most certainly saying that he is not god's son or anything divine for that matter.

Helter Skelter · 02-09-2007, 01:41 PM

It's very arrogant and small-minded to simply label all religions as "a bunch of lies". Although a lot of things in religious texts aren't necessarily true, or can't be proven true, there are events which have real historic background. I'm completely non-religious, but that doesn't mean I think that all religion is complete and utter bullshit. The bullshit that goes along with them seemed to be based loosely on historic events.

Yes, I think Jesus existed on the planet Earth, but no, I don't think he's coming back to save anyone. That's not possible in my opinion.

It's entirely possible that there were massive floods, but not nearly to the degree they were portrayed, and no, there was no arc.

I think some of the more ignorant atheists, the quick to judge people who label themselves 'antichrist' don't realise that there's a great deal of lying and dishonesty involved in every day reality.

Jin · 02-09-2007, 01:49 PM

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Never did I say that YOU said anything of the sort.

I'm merely interjecting. Because several times, Christianity has been described as a mere lie.

Considering you quoted me when you said that, you certainly fooled me. Perhaps a misquote?

Anyways, there is indeed proof that Jesus the man existed. Look for them if you wish; I'm not going to the trouble, so don't even ask. Whether he was a god or not is up to large debate. I sincerely doubt it, but there's no way to disprove it. Anyone who's so sure either way is deluded. It's like trying to prove that walls don't speak to each other in a mystical language that humans can in no way detect....and vice versa for the pro-existance party. What I don't understand is non believers hassling the Christians that don't hurt anyone. It's so hypocritical to say that Christians do nothing but trying to convert people and act morally superior and then to go out of your way to attack even those that just want to worship in peace. To each his own is so simple, yet no one likes it for some reason.

Anywho, on a side note, I actually find Chrstian mythology quite interesting. Catholic mythology that is, most forms of protestantism bore me to tears. Thanks for that Calvin. A lot of it is taken from pagan mythologies, this is true, but they worked it into their own and it's not exactly like religions have never borrowed before. Works like Milton's Paradise Lost and Dante's The Divine Comedy are quite entertaining.

Edit: Helter Skelter, I salute you. Brilliant post.

MiwaMiwa · 02-09-2007, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Helter Skelter

It's very arrogant and small-minded to simply label all religions as "a bunch of lies". Although a lot of things in religious texts aren't necessarily true, or can't be proven true, there are events which have real historic background. I'm completely non-religious, but that doesn't mean I think that all religion is complete and utter bullshit. The bullshit that goes along with them seemed to be based loosely on historic events.

Yes, I think Jesus existed on the planet Earth, but no, I don't think he's coming back to save anyone. That's not possible in my opinion.

It's entirely possible that there were massive floods, but not nearly to the degree they were portrayed, and no, there was no arc.

I think some of the more ignorant atheists, the quick to judge people who label themselves 'antichrist' don't realise that there's a great deal of lying and dishonesty involved in every day reality.

Actually, I think they DID find remains of what was/is *believed* to be Noah's Ark. Although, I didn't see this myself, but mom watched it on the history/discovery channel one day and told me afterwards. Although, it is entirely possible, and probably more likely, that it was just something random. But it has been said that they have some proof for the things mentioned in the bible, based on artifacts and findings and whatnot. Although, I haven't seen them so I'm not making any judgements on that obviously. Even though I'm not religious, it's still interesting to think about the fact that some of the things told by religions, some of the major stories, have evidence/proof that it may be true.
Although, it doesn't prove the exsistance of a God or even anything divine.
It's still interesting though.

*Chez Daja* · 02-09-2007, 02:15 PM

I could be considered a metalhead; although I've never opposed religion full-out before.

Religion fascinates me; I don't see it as lies, or trash at all.

I don't feel all metalheads should feel a need to praise an anti-Christ; that's just silly. It's sad how too much of this has become a stereo-type.

Religion isn't a gaudy teen trend, it's a lifestyle. Just as the worship of the Anti-Christ is (it's just become a game to younger people, who think it's funny to say things and mean something else). Whilst I would never put somebody down for believing in biblical teachings, I would not put believers and "worshippers" of the anti-Christ either, but the way people speak of things is despicable.

Metalheads are adopting a "yeah, the Anti-Christ is soo metal"; anti authority is one thing, the Anti-Christ is another. They are not the same thing; they just stem from similar beliefs (from the point of view of a typical "I <3 ANTI-CHRIST" metalhead.)

The thing is; I know so many metalheads, and admittedly, a lot of them are always stoned, but a lot aren't... Not all of them "praise" the anti-Christ. I'm able to talk with them about religion, without the interception of a hissy "WHAT ARE YOU SAYING AGAINST ANTI-CHRIST, JESUS ****ER?!" type of statement.

I wouldn't generalize all metalheads as such, but many of the younger fans ARE like that. Lolsadizm.

I think everyone needs to cool off about such. You'll never get a mass of Christians of Jewish people to convert to Sadism and whatever else "them crazy" Anti-Worshippers believe in. And vice versa.

I'm not siding with either, although I hate disprespect toward other religions; so I just do not parttake in that side of things.

Although I will say this;

Metal music ftw!

Perdedor · 02-09-2007, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by darkViVi

Well, can you prove that he ever existed? Also Christianity is a mere lie, just like every religion is. Personally I don't believe in what I have never seen but at the same time I'm not thinking it doesn't or didn't exist. Except for gods, devils and whatnot.

And why are you saying that his existence is undeniable? Are there any physical proof that he existed, and no, I'm not denying it *points @ what I said above*
But I am most certainly saying that he is not god's son or anything divine for that matter.

Skepticism can be a religion, a lifestyle...a dogma. Atheism is religion.

Cause when you're so skeptic, you won't deny the existence of anything, you've entered a religious mindset.

I'll take the "I'm denying but not realllllly lol" statement first.

Denying Jesus' existence is like saying Herod was a figment of imagination. Josephus regarded Jesus, meaning, he couldn't have simply been an elaborate lie.

Again. We can also take the other view, as most will, and say, Jesus was the biggest collaborative conspiracy EVER.

Still doesn't explain why Setian War Metal is strictly anti-christian.