[Perdedor]

Having once dealed with a pornographic addiction, I had to quit visiting 4chan. But my acquaintance and I got into an argument. He frequents the site, and for the reasons most people visit 4chan. He's an open "hentai addict". So, I say to him... "It does count as addiction to pornography, they aren't real human beings/ creatures, but hentai is technically a pornographic sub-genre of 'art'." This is not saying hedonism is wrong, lololol.

He replies, "But, hey, they ARE NOT IN FACT REAL PEOPLE. They are fictional, and it isn't factual lust. If anything, sir, it is fictional lust."

What is the truth of the situation?

[Chez Daja]

Define addiction.

I, for one, am "addicted" to Silent Hill. Most of the time, I am doing something to do with the series. I wouldn't call looking at excessive amounts of hentai as an addiction, more or less of something artistic. Personally, I find pornography disgustingly tacky, and do sometimes enjoy a well-drawn hentai picture. Why is this?

I love art. Hentai is another expression of art.

I don't think there's really any way to generalize addiction. It's one of those words people throw around pointlessly anyway.

Addiction is whatever one makes of it in my opinion.

[-Sephiroth]

i also enjoy henta the only one that i know of in my circle of friends and past girl friends and i do not feel that hentai is porn. alot of hentai is crap but i think of it as art and like most art allot of it is crap to one and a master piece to another, say'n that you sound like you don't like him looking at women, real or not sayn that would you like him to be looking at real people? cuz you think hentai is wrong or do you think hes just stick like i am for likeing anime to far?

(happy??)

[Chez Daja]

Sorry -Sephiroth, but this forum requires you to read the rules before posting.

If you had done so in the beginning, you would not have two-lined (a thing that is prohibited in this forum, particularly in Intellectual Discussion), please read the rules before posting here again.

I'm giving you a pre-warning for this post.

[LocoColt04]

Originally Posted by -Sephiroth

i do not feel that hentai is porn alot of hentai is crap but i think of it as art and like most art alot of it is crap to one and a master piece to another

A lot of pornography is crap too. There's also a lot of pornography that's art.

The only real difference between hentai and pornography is that one is based around fictitional characters and the other is usually based upon real people. Old paintings of artistic nudes? That's porn.

The problem is that the word "porn" has all of the negative connotations along with it, when in fact, there is a fair amount of pornography that is tasteful and artistic.

The relevance this has to the quote and the topic in general is that hentai is every bit as much pornography as a painting, photograph, or video of real people would be. Just because the medium is different doesn't meant the subject is.



HOWEVER, all the same, hentai is often not considered pornography in the traditional sense due to the fact that it lacks live, human models.

I think this is one of those situations where you could say that it is and it's not at the same time.

[-Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by LocoColt04

The problem is that the word "porn" has all of the negative connotations along with it, when in fact, there is a fair amount of pornography that is tasteful and artistic.

that is to true i am happy to say that i think the human body is at its greatest when naked not that i am a nudest or want everyone walking around naked i am a person that dose not have a problem with porn maybe that is why i don't have a problem with hentai even if it is not accepted time will change. i would like to read what a person that lives in Japan would have to say for it is artistic over seas

[Nin`]

Originally Posted by Perdedor

He replies, "But, hey, they ARE NOT IN FACT REAL PEOPLE. They are fictional, and it isn't factual lust. If anything, sir, it is fictional lust."

What is the truth of the situation?

Well I'm not to sure about the truth of the situation, but a simple fact I can provide you with. Lust is lust (simple as) whether it be aroused by something which is real or something that is fictional, the fact stands either way.

If something is sexually explicit (such as pictures, writing, or other material) whose primary purpose is to cause sexual arousal then it is by definition pornographic; whether pornographic material is artistic or not is a completely different question which is better answered with aesthetics rather then theosophy.

Given it's nature, it's best to describe hentai as simply being animated pornography.

Just because something isn't "real" doesn't automatically make it non-pornographic. You could think of sex with someone in your head, it isn't physically real but mentally it is. The same concept applies to fictional people, they're real because we make them real - since we can interpret them and mentally interact with them subjectivly.

Hentai is just another type of pornography, trying to agrue against that is futile. Therefore if porn can be addictive then so to can hentai, it stands to logical reasoning.

Nin

[Angantyr]

Whats to say hentai characters aren't real? As above they may not be physically but we watch their personality, we know how they act and we could imagine them doing their thing. To me the difference between porn and art is that Art is a drawing of beauty where as Porn is more or less something to get you off. So what about hentai? Well what I've seen it looks like it is designed to get people off but at the same time some of it done quite well, I guess it depends on the hentai I guess

[Casanova[OCAU]]

Well it all just depends on teh spirit its done in, and the spirit its being taken in. Playboy was initially 'art', Hustler wasnt. Michaelangelo's sculptures are art, you dont whack off to it.. and if you do... well i dont know what to say to you..

But that said, if ur mate cant last a day without lookin at hentai, then he's quite clearly addicted. Lust can be towards anything at all.. it doesnt have to be a 'real person'.

[Aerif]

In my opinion, any kind of Hentai IS porn, the subjects portrayed in hentai may not be 'real' or 'human'. However I'm sure you can agree with me that hentao artists (which are usually male) need to actually look at a human body so they can see what bits go where and what they look like.

Hentai is just a 'cartoony' version of pornography, in some cases,(though this kind of 'cartoon' isn't allowed to be viewed by children) so in fact if your friend is what you describe as being 'addicted' to hentai art then he may in fact be 'addicted' to pornography. Seeing as both need the same 'model' to be photographed or drawn.

It's still a picture of a naked human being...

[TomStrife]

Let's see, pornography is defined as:

Originally Posted by Dictionary.com

Obscene writings, drawings, photographs, or the like, esp. those having little or no artistic merit.

I think hentai would fall into that category.
And don't try to fit your way in by saying that it is artistic. It's not.

I personally believe any painting of a nude human being is pornography no matter how it's made. For example, the "drawing" our dear friend Jack made in the film based on the sinking of the Titantic (I'm sure a majority of us have seen this film. Our feelings on it is irrelevant) is just as pornish as any hentai is.

Of course you may disagree by saying it is artistic, but I am blind to the difference.

[-Sephiroth]

define this define that you can tell me hentai is porn all day that would not get me to think any less of it. If hentai is not artistic what is than?

hentai to me is that girl that i can never have, that is the fun of hentai for me.

[Tifa]

Haha, 4chan ... once you bring that a whole slew of things comes to mind. CP and guro among those ... but I'm assuming this thread is only related to "normal" "human"-based pornography and hentai. I think I'd agree with Casanova[OCAU] on this though. I think this works a bit better though ... taken from my Dashboard's Dictionary:

printed or visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity, intended to stimulate erotic rather than aesthetic or emotional feelings.

If it was made to jerk off to, then it's pornography. Although then camwhoring then rides on a thin line ... lol. That being said, someone jerking off to a regular photo or drawing of something wouldn't make it pornography. I think that's just about how the US Government defines it as well ... since I believe drawn CP is also comes under their laws. Heh, with most hentai, the only thing making it "art" would be the fact that it's drawn.

Originally Posted by TomStrife

I personally believe any painting of a nude human being is pornography no matter how it's made.

The problem with this is, a lot of art is made in relation to "birth" or the natural way a human should be (as its considered by various people). This is including Birth of Venus by Botticelli ( http://www.eumed.net/malakos/parafer...Nacimiento.jpg - warning for nudity, I guess ) and any art depicting Adam and Eve. That being said, a lot of art had fig leaves and whatnot painted over "explicit" areas throughout history, but I think it still means to be said. I'm sure many of the artists back then made to paint nude bodies as a work of art rather than for jerking off. Also, many grandparents have been arrested for having videos of their (infant) grandchildren naked and running through the house-- having it been mistaken for pornography. Generally speaking now, it's considered whether or not they're in a compromised position.

Also, for those who consider it requiring live human models: consider furries. I think that's all I need to say. :\

And ... I wonder then, what would the OP's friend consider cosplay pornography? It's a real person depicting a fictional person and meant to be a fictional person, but is done in "real" terms.


Also, Anonymous.

[Anomaly]

If he's visiting the site alot to lol and jack off he's probably 'normal' by todays sociatal standrads. If he's slacking off on his responsibilities, his firends, and other asspects of his life to wank off to 4chan, than I'd say its an addiction.

The difference between an addiction in the negative sense and in the everyday sense is frequency and devotion.

Well, I think sex is one of the most natural things in life and I see erotic stuff as nothing more than homage to a natural thing. As long as this person doesn't browse for it at school or work or infront of little kids, I don't see it as a problem.

[CLOUD]

First of all,what does Theosophically mean?my english is a bit rusty...
Indeed,addiction to hentai is to a certain degree an addiction to pornography.They difference is the fact that hentai doesn't have to do with real people as well as that hentai is a gendre of art,sometimes farfetched & vulgar,but still an art.

Besides,i don't think hentai is bad.

[TomStrife]

Wow, Chez would not like to see a majority of these posts.

Let's see, I suppose it might be worth my time to respond to this post.

Originally Posted by -Sephiroth

define this define that you can tell me hentai is porn all day that would not get me to think any less of it.

Define this Define? What? Be clear in your posts what you're trying to say, especially in Intellectual Discussion. That was taken from the DICTIONARY.

You know, that big book with words and their definitions?

Yeah, I would consider that a reliable source for the DEFINition of words.

If hentai is not artistic what is than?

Paintings of pleasent things as in not hentai. There is plenty of beautiful art that doesn't contain nudity. Look up "Artistic" in the Dictionary yourself and make your own decision.

hentai to me is that girl that i can never have, that is the fun of hentai for me.

Congrats, you just ended the discussion.

The question is: Does an addiction for hentai count as an addiction for pornography?

What you just described in the previous quote can be said for Pornography in general. "The Girl You Can Never Have."

This discussion is over. Hentai is porn. Whether, it's morally right, well, that's not the topic is it?