Final Fantasy XII Leaked

[postalblowfish7]

Originally Posted by Djinn

As for your last point, at what stage in this topic did anyone say being impatient or broke gives you a reason to take things for nothing, or steal as you put it.

"i know that as a teenager with a massive hard drive it seems like everything in the world is yours by birthright" Stereotype people much?

yeah - because it's true. i was there. i know what it's like. i wasn't really directing all of that at you btw, sorry if it came off that way - and truly i think it's wonderful that you and your friends are the exceptions. but let me make this clear.

YOU STILL DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO ILLEGALLY DOWNLOAD SHIT.

and sorry to break your bubble but "multi-million dollar corporations" need people to buy their products to make money. if you think that music piracy hasn't completely ****ed the music industry it's YOU who has no idea what you're talking about.

i'm tired of people acting like companies deserve to have their products stolen if they're "price gauging". it's like saying porsche is charging too much for their cars, so i'm going to steal one. it's never a justification for thievery. or did you forget that that is what you're doing when you download pirated shit? i think that's what everyone doesn't even realize. WHEN YOU DOWNLOAD SOMETHING YOU DIDN'T BUY YOU ARE STEALING. it really is as simple as that unarguable fact. you can go on and on and on about how unfair prices are, how overpaid developers are, how long the wait to release dates are, and how ****ing green your shit is. it doesn't change the simple fact that you either buy it from a store, or you steal it from the internet. black and white my friend.

Originally Posted by Djinn

As for your last point, at what stage in this topic did anyone say being impatient or broke gives you a reason to take things for nothing, or steal as you put it.

um... how 'bout

Originally Posted by Geodanuk

but also people have waited for a new FF story so the people are also a bit peeved and Square should think more about there customers

Originally Posted by LocoColt04

I can't say I altogether blame them -- especially those in Europe/Australia and other places around the world. The PAL release still has no confirmed date, so I can certainly understand the frustration there.

Originally Posted by Leonarc

Then again you can't blame them when a game is 50 bucks (some times 60) for which is basically a 3rd or less of a paycheck from the common gamer.

Originally Posted by fishie

In a way I don't blame the European or Austrailian gamers out there because they haven't had an official release date.

Originally Posted by Masasume

No excuse? how about the fact that Square has pushed back the FFXII release date back a thousand times? XD

Originally Posted by geodanuk

Masasume''s right Europe and Austrailia once had a release date and such which was a few weeks after the americans when the americans was getting told it was out in september and now we dont even have one im not saying i will and i probably wont but im tempted to get it because im getting sick of waiting

etc.etc.etc. until my post. you did read the thread right?

downloading FFXII is taking something for nothing.
these people tried to justify it by claiming it was too expensive or took too long to come out.
all i'm saying is that pirating a game like this is NEVER excusable.

seriously, that's all i'm saying. we've all gotten so used to downloading whatever we want whenever we want that we've forgotten about the way things used to be. you used to HAVE to buy everything because the den of thieves known as the internet didn't exist on the scale that it does these days. back then a company could release a product with the confidence that everyone who wanted it would have to buy it. now they have to deal with the masses getting what they want for free - and please, PLEASE don't stand there and pretend that people are just downloading music, movies, and games to 'preview' them before they buy them. like - i believe that you do, and your friends. that's really cool, i was the same way when i downloaded shit off napster back in the day - in fact it helped me get into a lot of cool shit. but you know as well as i that people are downloading for keeps with no plans to buy a 'legit' copy.

that's stealing, and i personally think it's bullshit.

the end.

[Djinn]

Originally Posted by postalblowfish7

yeah - because it's true. i was there. i know what it's like. i wasn't really directing all of that at you btw, sorry if it came off that way - and truly i think it's wonderful that you and your friends are the exceptions. but let me make this clear.

YOU STILL DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO ILLEGALLY DOWNLOAD SHIT.

and sorry to break your bubble but "multi-million dollar corporations" need people to buy their products to make money. if you think that music piracy hasn't completely ****ed the music industry it's YOU who has no idea what you're talking about.

i'm tired of people acting like companies deserve to have their products stolen if they're "price gauging". it's like saying porsche is charging too much for their cars, so i'm going to steal one. it's never a justification for thievery. or did you forget that that is what you're doing when you download pirated shit? i think that's what everyone doesn't even realize.

You could have summed up that post with a simple Stealing is Bad... we all know stealing is bad, but this really isn't stealing, the only person who is truely at fault here is the person hosting the file, not the people downloading it. Downloading a song to sample an album, as much as you will hate to hear this, is PERFECTLY legal under the Fair Use act, as long as you don't try and make a profit from it and only if it is for personal/education use... i don't see many people downloading music to make a profit from it, and if they do they're in for a fairly heafty copyright infringement lawsuit. Maybe in some people's eyes games don't fall under this act, but under many people's it does, i mean would you want to spend $50-60 on a game (which is a ****ing rediculous price by the way) if it could be complete garbage... thats like throwing your money in the gutter, or better yet its like giving already rich businesses more of your hard earned money.

Do you really think Square-Enix employee's give a shit if people download FF12? I don't and you know why? because at the end of the day SE isn't going to go bankrupt over it and they're going to get the same wage they always did for producing games. People have been downloading games for years, and i don't see any of the big gaming companies going under because of it, in fact they probably flourish more when people download it (word of mouth is an extremely good advertising means). Bands have made it big because people have been downloading their shit and telling their friends about it, its no different in any other walk of life.

I'm not trying to justify stealing, as much as you'd like to think so, its just you're being extremely naive and narrow-minded. Downloading stuff for nothing is unethical, you know that, i know that, most other people know it... but its perfectly legal and there's not a ****ing thing you can do about it.

And when i said Stereotype people much? i didn't mean you were stereotyping just me, you were doing it to everyone in the world (we were all teenagers once =p) and you continue to do it in your last post. You talk about downloading things being inexcusable, well Stereotyping people is inexcusable. Not everyone had the same life as you when you were a teenager, not everyone thought the same as you when you were a teenager, so saying that everyone did what you did is complete horseshit and if you don't realize that you're living in a land of makebelieve.

[LocoColt04]

@postal:

Quoting me was a bad idea. I said that I UNDERSTAND why people do it. Never once did I condone the action, so don't go twisting my words around to fit your needs. It seems as though you twisted the words of many others as well.

[Merlin]

First of all, you obviously have a severe problem with generalization, postal. Not only do you combine what several people say into one conglomerate line of drivel, you cut out anything in a post you don't like and assume the rest. Don't address multiple issues to multiple people in a single sentence or phrase, or even a paragraph. You try to cover your ass by saying you weren't talking to a specific person, but if thats true, then almost every one of your so-called counter-points is based off of the false facts you created by combining unrelated issues.

Originally Posted by postalblowfish7

i'm tired of people acting like companies deserve to have their products stolen if they're "price gauging". it's like saying porsche is charging too much for their cars, so i'm going to steal one. it's never a justification for thievery. or did you forget that that is what you're doing when you download pirated shit? i think that's what everyone doesn't even realize. WHEN YOU DOWNLOAD SOMETHING YOU DIDN'T BUY YOU ARE STEALING. it really is as simple as that unarguable fact. you can go on and on and on about how unfair prices are, how overpaid developers are, how long the wait to release dates are, and how ****ing green your shit is. it doesn't change the simple fact that you either buy it from a store, or you steal it from the internet. black and white my friend.

This was hilarious. I said exactly where prices really come from to help build up your knowledge of the gaming world. You failed to even attempt to prove me wrong and instead combined my statement with something I never said. Do you see the word 'stealing' anywhere in my post? The only reference to piracy is to say my entire post had nothing to do with piracy or stealing. If game prices are so based on piracy, then riddle me this: Why in the blue hell are Computer Games so much cheaper than Console Games? Its so easy to create a ISO of a computer game and plop it on the internet. On the other hand, a console game requires a bit more work. Many of them are protected and all of them contain file formats not directly supported by PCs or Macs, meaning you need a special reader to even see them. If you manage to get an ISO file of it, it won't run on your computer unless you get a seperate program to even play it... and with the latest games, it will most likely play like shit because the emulators are crap. If you want to play it on your console, you must ALSO have a modchip, meaning... you've already commited an even worse infringement. In the end, its no simple task. So once again: If PC games are so damned easy to steal(and use) than console games, why are console games jacked up and not PC games? Read my post and find out. ^_^

Originally Posted by postalblowfish7

and sorry to break your bubble but "multi-million dollar corporations" need people to buy their products to make money. if you think that music piracy hasn't completely ****ed the music industry it's YOU who has no idea what you're talking about.

Are you a spokesman for the RIAA? My God... you've been spoonfed the bs one too many times, methinks. First off, your definition of capitalism is way off. The RIAA is not a capitalistic system, it is a monopoly. Capitalism requires competion.. the RIAA does not support competion of any kind. The RIAA is a system which unites music companies to single-handedly try to block any and all access to music unless it is through their specific means. They refuse to support popular programs such as Limewire, who has tried numerous times to include music hashes to help with copyright infringement. What does the RIAA do? Sue them. That's all they do... sue everyone and anyone who is trying to compete with them. You know what that is? In this fancy world of capitalism you dream of, that is known as a monopoly. They are killing the music industry... not pirates. Piracy has been around long before the internet was invented. Piracy and stealing is a part of any company. They have a buffer for it. The reason they are losing money is because they are being greedy, tightass bitches and trying to monopolize the music industry. Its the same shit that happens any time a new format comes out. The old skool diehards refuse to accept the new format and start attacking(aka suing) everyone to get them to stop. Vinal, 8-Track, VCR, Cassette, CD, DVD, MP3... it makes no difference. Wake up and smell the coffee. Piracy sucks... its wrong... but no matter how much you or the RIAA cries about it, it won't change unless they embrace the future of technology and support competition, instead of stepping on it.

EDIT: I highly suggest you read the following article and the counter-suit by LimeWire. They bring up a lot of good points: Limewire Hits Back Hard: Sues RIAA For Antitrust And Consumer Fraud

[kaotic_munkey27]

@ postal

You know alot of people here have been proving the same point to you over and over and over..........well you get the idea ( lots of overs). And you just don't seem to be picking up on it. So let me try to help you understand the point being made by giving you an example:

UHUM!!!(clears throat)

I have a job. I work at a restraunt called Quizno's ( I'm sure you have heard of it, if not just know that it is a big corporation.) Although I may just be a lowly shift leader at the store I work in I understand how the economics of a business work.Now I am not going to lie, our prices are pretty high. And some people don't agree with them. But you know what? there is no stealing. because we took the precautions to prevent it from happening. (If square-enix had done the same, maybe FF XII wouldn't be on a torrent site.) Any ways back to my point at hand. As I said above, our prices are high. But guess who sets the prices? No not the owner of the store. No not the people who buy our food. Give up? Okay Ill tell you. the corporation sets are prices. and why is that? because they started this corporation so they could make money. the higher their prices, the more money they make. That is all it is about. MONEY!!!!! The corporation controls everything in its business. We had a sandwich at our store that raked in the money and we did about $2500 a day, compared to our normal $1400. But you know what? corporate decided that they were going to stop makeing the sandwich because they weren't making enough money off of it in other sales regions. So the people in our sales region got shafted because Corporate wasn't making enough money. And there was no piracy involved there, my friend.

So I hope you finally understand what we have all been saying about corporations and companies trying to make money and not really caring about the people. If you did understand this, then please, for the love of God, don't keep making a fool of yourself. And once again, no one ever said it was right for people to download pirated materials, we just said that we understand why7 they would. Ther is a big difference.

If you didn't understand what I said then continue to make a fool of yourself on this here thread and we will all continue to laugh at you.

It is one thing to believe in something, but to make yourself a martyr for something that should not be existent is another. You keep sacfricing your credibility everytime you try to prove one of us wrong and the sad thing is that your not doing a very good job. And again, to reiterate the point being proven (hoping you will understand it), WE DID NOT SAY THAT WE AGREE WITH WHY PEOPLE ARE DOWNLOADING FROM TRRENT SITES, BUT WE DO UNDERSTAND WHY THEY THINK THEY WOULD BE FORCED TO TAKE SUCH MEASURES!!!!!!!!!!!! 2 completely different points, okay?

Edit: Oh by the way Merlin, thanks for putting that link up. That is a great insight to this argument. Now only if we could get postal to read it.............
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If ignorance is bliss, then why isn't Postal happy? -Kaotic_munkey27-

[Hexin]

Wow. I can't believe they actually did something like that. That's like a huge spoiler right there. Why can't they just wait like the rest of us?

[Merlin]

Originally Posted by kaotic_munkey27

If you didn't understand what I said then continue to make a fool of yourself on this here thread and we will all continue to laugh at you.

You're kinda responding to a dead-horse topic. After my last post, nobody has even attempted to post something to the contrary. I feel sure whoever leaked it from either Squeenix or Sony, is now jobless and has no chance in hell of getting a position at a gaming company ever again. Shit like that kinda taints your record permanently... and they'd make sure of it. I wouldn't be suprised if they had the person thrown into the nearest jail cell for copyright violation, theft, etc...

[elbrus]

Well the solution would be simple and mor better to us ff lovers......they could make the game wuth more stuff like more quickeings and stuff.....my friend also downloaded the leaged ff and hes pretty ok with hem.....but still il wait for the release and buy also how could thay but it on internett alreay when it isnt released yet?

[Kratos]

Well, it's not really smart, in my opinion, to release it one at a time. Why not release it at once- there's no problem. Either they're anxious to get some money or they just are tired....Who knows.

Already got myself a copy of the game...been playing with it for a week now...just bought a pirated copy of the game when i went strolling to a mall last week.