9/11 Conspiracy Thread

[Angry Moogle]

This thread was made with full respect to the victims.

Ok, I searched this side of the forums and I see no one is talking about the conspiracy theory of 9/11...

I found a few things that i'd like to share with you guys.



The Pentagon Attack
ok, please watch this documentary, sorry about the voice over here.

911 Documentary PART 1

911 Documentary PART 2

911 Documentary PART 3

911 Documentary PART 4

World Trade Center Attacks (and Pentagon attacks)
Ok, these are a must watch. this is a documentary called Loose Change, it explains a hell of alot about the conspiracy. If you watch this, you may feel differently about it all.
Loose Change PART 1

Loose Change Part 2

Short Films
Video on youtube that raises some interesting questions
Short film: about the Pentagon attack
The "Bin Laden" confession tape

So if you're still interested Click here for more information from another message board.


so what do you think, do you still believe fire brought the towers down?

[Pete]

I've seen loose change before, but I really don't buy into it. I'm not saying that I believe everything that the government has spoonfed the American people, but I would have to believe that the government would not have 3000 innocent people put to death in the name of a war.

The flight that had crashed into the field in Shanksville, PA was supposedly rerouted into Ohio, and the people were sent into a NASA building, correct? Well where are they now? Did the government just shoot them all, grind them into dog food and paint the plane? This isn't Grand Theft Auto.

The most obvious, in my mind is how the video surfaced in the first place. If indeed this did happen so that the government could start war and steal gold from under building 7, do you not think that they would have silenced the one who discovered this and unraveled their entire plan.

Granted, you can answer this in two ways.

Yes, the government could have just killed him, with full knowledge that he is making the video, in order to prevent it's release. They know when you take a shit, I think they could tell who you're talking to, especially if you're going to people involved in the research of the biggest attacks on American soil.

or

No, they've already crossed the Rubicon and are going to do whatever they've been doing. Iraq was already 3 plus years in the making when this was released, with full plans for a pre-emptive strike in Iran, since the best defense is a good offense, while completely ignoring the real threat of North Korea.

Anyways, you can't believe everything you hear on the internet, nor can you believe everything your government tells you.

[Lover Boy]

The idea of 9/11 being a conspiracy seems like nothing more than a way of coping with it at all. Some people can't handle the idea that something extraordinary can be done by mundane methods. They have a hard time believing that our president could be taken out by an ex-Marine with an everyday rifle. They have a hard time believing that billions of dollars in research and a couple thousand gallons of rocket fuel could take us as far away as the moon.

And they have a real hard time believing that on September 11th, 2001; that foreigners on American visas could take flight lessons in our nation and use that same information learned in sunny Daytona Beach to hijack planes and fly them into the World Trade Center.

Because believing that an evil faceless government with trillions of dollars in resources would do this to it's own people to justify sweeping across the middle east "for oil/to get rid of people they don't like/for power/for fun" is much easier.

Hell, I almost kind of wish our government did it too.

I have no doubt that the United States Government is corrupt, in some capacity. All systems of governing bodies are. Why? Because there's no one to govern them. All systems of government (be them democratic, socialist, capitalist, or whatever) are founded on the same principle: The people in charge will use that system of government and the rules it abides by in order to do what benefits the people of that nation the most.

The problem is that, most people, when handed this kind of power, can't handle it. They become power-hungry when they realize the potential they now have. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. This is a sad fact of life.

Now, I too have seen Loose Change. I think that alot of the points it makes are valid - especially the stuff about the pentagon. That being said, it's hard to believe that the United States government could even coordinate such a massive act of deception without someone managing to to come forward sooner than the five years that have passed. I believe that 9/11 has been used to pass some horrible laws (The Patriot Act), but if I truly lose enough faith in democracy to believe that my government was willing to murder several thousand innocents in order to get at 125 billion dollars and start the cornerstone of a regime, then I am no American.

I love democracy. In the end, we are given a choice every four years. Every four years we can say "Enough of this BS. Let's change it up." No one has taken that away, and I guarentee you that if they try, there will be a second Revolutionary War. So the question becomes, how long do we turn a blind eye and allow these horrors to continue? As the ever-wise Obi-Wan Kenobi said, "Who's the more foolish: the fool or the fool who follows him?"

[Nin`]

Interesting thread.

The Loose Change (2nd edition) documentary does indeed make some admirable and plausible points based on facts we are aware of.

Yet if one is claiming that the event of 9/11 was initiated and directly caused (only) via the U.S Government in a "terror hoax" and Governmet Conspiracy, then these theories can and have been debunked based on evidence of Al Qaeda involvement.

It would be better suggested here that U.S "involvement" with the events of 9/11 were based on the fact that they knew about it in advance and simply allowed it to occur, even shaping it's occurance for their own future motives and intentions; this would work much to their advantage in establishing global order and control, in a seemingly "reasonable" way; although this suggestion is more epistemological fact then it is evidential fact.

Here the U.S would not have "staged" the event in question, more likely they would have invoked and allowed it to progress and happen under a certain degree of control to maintain order, which can be seen. The fact that the attack was more centralized (ordered) then it was widespread (chaotic) is theoretical evidence of this (the two towers alone being target with two aircraft), along with the pentagon incident and the "supposed" Boeing 747, which would have been made (setup) to suspect otherwise.

If the U.S had word of the attack, yet simply chose not to respond in anyway at all, then they would have had no control over the event itself, and the U.S acting without control on such a serious and impending event is quite asinine to suggest.

If the U.S, on some level and degree (level and degree of awarness here are unknown), were aware of the impending disaster, and simply allowed it to happen, to the extent it did, with enough justification to inaugurate "global war on terror", and invoked Al Qaeda/Terrorists/Islamic fundermentalists (when I say invoked I mean to resort to as furnishing authority or motive) into causing the event (even stimulate the ideal for them to put into effect and operation) then the question becomes, why would they allow this event?

Well for one they would fundermentally gain control over apart of the middle east; such an event would also give the U.S both a clear and almost inarguable reason and motive in establishing armed military forces where they were lacking before, with the hope of securing neighbouring countrys and potential threats with quick military deployment, or adverse suggestion, if such situations ever occured, i.e Iran, korea.

The war would therefore be a brilliant military strategic move for the U.S, sending out a clear message, "We're ready if you threaten our national security". This could also be described as "Marking ones territory, in a bid to gain and resume control"

In otherwords the war would give the U.S the perfect excuse to exercise both their grip and control in parts of the world beyond their control, which thus present a potential threat to them; this is understandable given the history that the United States has had with the eastern regions and countrys of the world.

Of course there is also the "possible" fact of exploiting Iraq for personal gain with such a war, i.e, Oil, Iraqs missing millions, ect.

All in all my personal opinion is not to trust the U.S Government, or the faceless power behind it (the ones pulling all Bushes strings, since he is clearly to dumb to pull them himself), they simply act out of self-convenience and guise this (in the same way I expect they have Democracy) in a supposed sense of "morality" and "fairness". But like all empires, U.S dominion will one day fall, and from the ashes another will rise. Rome and Carthage are good examples here.

Yet even if such a conspiracy was leaked outside the U.S government/CIA, in such an event it would already be set-up as to who would take the blame for it. Of course the true source to blame would remain anonymous and faceless, as is much of the power behind the U.S.