Is it wrong to push a girl?

[rJ floW]

Comment on black women; i dont think they're any tougher, nor are they crazier, they just dont put up with some of the bullshit (and its not because they are black, its a product of their environment)

a black women who grows up in and around white people are goin to be the same as white women, its just the ones that we notice are the ones who fight, who come from the "tougher" communities, but they're not better fighters or whatnot, they're just bout it (down to do whatever). If you want an example, watch "ghetto fights 2" or "ghetto brawls" which can be downloaded from your torrent of choice. All most of the ghetto chicks do are grab hair and slap wildly, except for a couple of big ones, they just bruck people in the face, its amazing hahaa.

[Rinoa.Heartilly]

Wow I can tell I haven't been here in a while whew. Clans are back up I see.

Anyway! I think if a girl is aloud to hit a guy (with cruel and violent intent, aka: trying to kick your ass) then the guy has every right to hit back. Not being able to hit a girl/woman is one of the few parts of chivalry that is still observed by a vast majority of the population. If I by some will of the divine try to beat you guys(men) up or put your life in danger I'd expect you to fight back because whether I'm male or female doesn't change the fact that I could **** you up or I could kill you. I'm not saying if you get into a verbable fight with a female you turn it physical, I'm saying if they strike at you fight back. It'd be the same way with a guy wouldn't it? Unless you are looking for fights, in which case you deserve every bruise and broken bone you get. I'm done.

[The Edge]

Woman could be pain in the asses sometimes, But I would never hit a girl or push her. I just don't see myself doing that. Even if she's embarrassing me or wathever, pushing her won't solve anything, just make it worst. Of course, I won't just let the bitch go at and beat the shit out of me.
To me, the best thing to do would be to grab her harms, and try to calm her down .... or wait for the cops to come. lol

Wathever, but hitting her is not an option for me, could go to jail for it.

[Arkaine]

Okay, it seems that no matter how many times I try there are still some really silly people who post on these forums who seem to do their best to incite my wrath. I'm not big on flaming in forums, in fact I avoid it whenever possible, but sometimes there is that one chauvanistic jerkwad that desperately deserves it. So off I go on yet another rant...

First of all you are a cowardly idiot that can only justify himself by "proving" his superiority over women. The very concept of your thread implies that you are better than any woman and they aren't worth the saliva you would spit on them if the get "out of line". Yeah you try to cover yourself by being all noble in the beginning with your "I know it's wrong to hit a girl, blah, blah, blah" bull but then follow it up with something as moronic as but I think it's ok to pie face her and put her on her butt so you aren't really hitting her..blah..blah..blah. All just mindless drivel from a chauvanistic jerk that is so insecure with himself that he has to justify his "superiority" by picking on someone who is most cases is physically weaker than him. My personal belief is that if there is some girl up in your face it's becuase your sorry arse probably deserves it!

You talk about embarassing them into their "place" as if this was the mid 1600's and you were some kind of nobleman. The fact of the matter is that most of these women have more class and more sense then you could ever muster in your pathetic little life. It shames me that I should have to waste the time to have to illustrate a person's stupidity to them, but some people just need to have it spelled out for them.

The number one alternative to hitting a girl is, DON'T. Just walk away, and if you can't walk away, then by all means don't let her hit you, but that doesn't mean that you have to push her down, or try to belittle her to do so. Simply stop the blow and walk away. You have the class and intelligence of the average toadstool.

How would you like it if someone came up to you and pie-faced you and put you on your butt, and then told you that if you knew your place you would stay down. Or more so, how would you feel if it were a woman that did it. Frankly I think you would get just what you deserve. You are an immature, chauvanistic, ignorant moron and you should do the world a favor and just keep your opinions to yourself.

Remember, it is a much much better thing to stand there and appear to be stupid, then to open one's mouth (or in this case typing fingers) and remove all doubt!

[OceanEyes28]

Goddaaaaaamnit, Arkaine.

I have to warn you for flaming. I already cautioned the entire thread about this, and you started with name-calling. So... warning number one. You'll get a PM in a second.

I would like to ask that no one else respond to the flaming parts of Arkaine's post. Take it to PM if you have to.

Continue with opinions, but keep them civil or I will have to close the thread.

Taking this in a whole new way. Let's talk about the legal version of this shall we? In scene one we have a crazy girl throwing a tantrum an hitting you. You pie face her, and she descides to go a step further an punch you. You pie face her again, and then she descides to take it one step even further an grabs whatever object she can find an bashes you over the head with it. You are knocked out, and she claims self defence. Thus you lose.

In scenario 2 we have you pie face her, aciddentally do ia a little too hard an she either gets thrown into a wall, or she obtains a bruse. Then she descides to call the cops. Claiming self defence an winning.

Either way you are going to be in trouble. Even if this girl was hitting you it si hard to give the court a good explaination as to why you descided it was a good idea to elevate the situation even more so. Causing her to become even more furious, and knowingly trying to harm her. They will ask you why did you hit her, and "because she hit me" is not a mature enough answere to let you off. Basically what you have is a man that will probably be on COPS somewhere with his wife an him beating the crap out of eachother. Sorry, but that is the way I see it.

[Tiffany]

Not all people are going to haul off and "pie face" a chick, let alone twice. If they do that, then yes they're going to get charged. Don't think that the police won't charge a woman for punching a man either. They do, trust me.

They're alot smarter than people tend to give them credit for. They can investigate and normally can figure out if the woman was instigating as well, and she gets in big shit along side the guy.

The thought that a woman can haul off and punch a guy without any reprocussions is a myth. Regardless of who started what, both parties have an obligation to keep it orderly. If not, charges will be laid, but it's both parties that get them.

I think it's great. There's no reason why a woman should be able to do that. Men shouldn't be hitting, but neither should women. I hate when they act all tough then cry when something happens. Hello? You INSTIGATED. What on earth do they think is going to happen?

Not that it's right mind you, but again... can't always expect every guy to be able to restrain themselves. Better for both parties to walk away.

[OnOneRyder]

The thought that a woman can haul off and punch a guy without any reprocussions is a myth.

If cops come to your home and suspect a couple of getting physical it doesn't matter who started it, the man WILL be the one going to jail.Sometimes the woman will go also, but the man always will. Don't think so, I've experienced this first hand. My ex girlfriend was pissed off becasue I was talking to her like she's a little kid. She for some reason exploded and knee'd me in the junk once and then started swinging a broom at me. I grabbed the broom and when doing so caught her in the check which ended up cutting her mouth. Guess who got charged with domestic assault, your's truely.

Originally Posted by Tiffany

They're alot smarter than people tend to give them credit for. They can investigate and normally can figure out if the woman was instigating as well, and she gets in big shit along side the guy.

Police investigating? You do live in Canada don't you? Lemme tell you something about justice in the U.S. before you talks of things like that. Fact is a few years ago they tried to "come down" on the teen society. Many children were labeled either Bi-polar or AHAD an hauled off on drugs. Next was family violence. A night after getting the shit beaten out of me by my S-dad lead to me getting put in Jail. An not kiddy jail, actual Jail. Why am I telling you this? Because the police went by what my abuser told them, and that just was good enough for them. So, as much as I would love to be nieve I digress.

Originally Posted by Tiffany

The thought that a woman can haul off and punch a guy without any reprocussions is a myth. Regardless of who started what, both parties have an obligation to keep it orderly. If not, charges will be laid, but it's both parties that get them.

not really. Take it from someone that has not only been in it, but a person that has seen it. Yes we all wanna live in that world that says that everything is fair, but when you become an adult you know better. However, you can't leave it to the cops to do that right thing, you yourself have to be mature enough to do the right thing. Depending on the police to shelter you is going to fauter anyone.

Originally Posted by Tiffany

I think it's great. There's no reason why a woman should be able to do that. Men shouldn't be hitting, but neither should women. I hate when they act all tough then cry when something happens. Hello? You INSTIGATED. What on earth do they think is going to happen?

Not that it's right mind you, but again... can't always expect every guy to be able to restrain themselves. Better for both parties to walk away.

I really can't believe any person would hate anyone for getting out of hand. When it is a perfectly normal thing to do. People should not have to hood back from thereselves just not ot get hit by a jerk guy.Honestly some men deserve it. An any man that would hit a women is not a man. **** who instigated it, it could have been stopped at any time. Women that have the will power to actually get smart an not be walked over have my blessing. Wether they are beaten or not. Women that just wanna bow down an take are the most nieve, weak women in my opinion .

[Lover Boy]

I remember this one time when the police made one bonehead mistake based on years of false calls and other wastes of time from punk-ass teens and then I based an assertation about the investigative powers of the police officers of the entire nation of the United States.

And then I posted on a message board hiding behind a veil of "I was abused" in order to call people naive for having opinions of their own.

Please refrain from giving advice you yourself should be following. You call people naive for thinking something different, all the while making an assumption about thousands of people based on one bad experience.

Originally Posted by Lover Boy

I remember this one time when the police made one bonehead mistake based on years of false calls and other wastes of time from punk-ass teens and then I based an assertation about the investigative powers of the police officers of the entire nation of the United States.

And then I posted on a message board hiding behind a veil of "I was abused" in order to call people naive for having opinions of their own.

Please refrain from giving advice you yourself should be following. You call people naive for thinking something different, all the while making an assumption about thousands of people based on one bad experience.

All I said was that women that bow down to men can be nieve.An it is not those women that girls look up to.

My experience was infact a long time ago. The only reason I brought it up was to emphasise that not all violence reports are looked into. Many are distorted, and false. I don't see how that makes me a hypocrit. Telling someone that they should not believe that the police will save you from your own stupidity is a opinion based on reality. wether it be a guy hitting a girl or vice versa. Fact is that violence is violence, and someone in the mix is getting hurt. The whole, "They deserved it" setence is chauvanistic at best. No one deserves to be touched by anyone else. But I guess it is easier to say that a girl is a bitch, instead of taking responsinility for your own actions.

Inoder to make a thread like this you would have to have had some sense that it was wrong in the first place.

[Tiffany]

Originally Posted by Cheesevixen

Police investigating? You do live in Canada don't you? Lemme tell you something about justice in the U.S. before you talks of things like that

Well by that statement there, you basically said that since I live in Canada, my opinion about it means nothing. Of course I can't comment about the United States, but that doesn't negate my opinon about how life is up here. You saying that basically says "Well since you're not in the US, you cannot have an opinion"

Originally Posted by Cheesevixen

My experience was infact a long time ago. The only reason I brought it up was to emphasise that not all violence reports are looked into.

You're going to have to clairfy this to me, and if you don't want to on here, then please by PM.

So you were thrown into real jail, not "kiddy" jail. But this happened a long time ago. You're only 19. Technically (unless there's something different about Texas law) they are not allowed to throw any sort of child into jail unless they're being charged as an adult, which normally means murder or whatever.

Anyways of course not ALL acts of violence are looked into. But just because yours wasn't... doesn't mean that no one else's are either. I never have argued in absolutes like that, I'm surprised you would think that I ment it in that way!



Edit: I also know what it's like to have a guy beat the crap out of you. My ex gave me bruises the size of grapefruits. It was my own stupid mistake for staying with him in the first place, and yes I do have a sense that it is wrong to hit a girl. I was that girl!

Originally Posted by Tiffany

Well by that statement there, you basically said that since I live in Canada, my opinion about it means nothing. Of course I can't comment about the United States, but that doesn't negate my opinon about how life is up here. You saying that basically says "Well since you're not in the US, you cannot have an opinion"

I am sorry Tiffy, I did not mean like that. I just meant that what you said makes plenty of sense, if that is how things are in Canada. But In the US things are a little bit more difficult. I am sure that Canada has plenty of injustice, but I felt as if the US stand point (As in their might be injustices over here) was overlooked.

Originally Posted by Tiffany

You're going to have to clairfy this to me, and if you don't want to on here, then please by PM.[/font]

That seems just . I have an extensive knowledge leading into family violence, and not all just from my point of view. So yeah, Pm would be better. Since I have not seen you about AIM in awhile, lol.

Originally Posted by Tiffany

So you were thrown into real jail, not "kiddy" jail. But this happened a long time ago. You're only 19. Technically (unless there's something different about Texas law) they are not allowed to throw any sort of child into jail unless they're being charged as an adult, which normally means murder or whatever. [/font]

Actually I was thrown in jail on my 17th. Birthday. Texas has a law that states that you tkae responisbility (as an adult) if you break the law. This also includes sex, but I won't go into that one.

Originally Posted by Tiffany

Anyways of course not ALL acts of violence are looked into. But just because yours wasn't... doesn't mean that no one else's are either. I never have argued in absolutes like that, I'm surprised you would think that I ment it in that way!

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Oh, no I just was suprized at it. Maybe mt take on your posting was wrong though. I did infact think you meant it as an absolution. In this case (thread wise). The failure to understand that if you choose to fight, it can get dirty, and you can never fully be promised leaniancy. Even if it was not wrong to hit a girl. By law you could still have consequences. The only thing I believe the Thread Starter was worried about was not getting his feelings hurt. Wich is a very narrow minded attempt at expression. In fact you have to look at it from all side. Not just wrong an right, but consequences to your actions.