[TheHasteChocobo]

This is the new thread I told you I would make if you saw the one thread about America/ns

Simple, tell me what you think about second hand smoking.
This is an earlier post I posted on another thread. It is here to give you my oppinoin.

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Originally Posted by Rikkuffx
Smoking kills but second hand smoke kills more.

Hast thou any proof? For if not be gone scurvy cur, lest my blade cleave thy head form yon shoulders.

No but seriously, I hear people say that all the time. I believe it's just a common misconseption. It just seems logical to me that the smoker is harming his/her self more than other people around him/her. This is how I think about it. The smoker actually inhales a huge consentrated puff of smoke from the tabacco product then holds it in their lungs for a while to let it meader around. When you smoke it slitely burns your throught which obviously means it's doing harm. Cigarette smoke, from what I hear, expands in your throught which only makes things worse. People who inhale smoke from others tobbaco are getting a less consentrated breath of smoke, a mix between the harmful gas and clean air. Less smoke=less harmful; that's my reasoning. Also you don't get the burnign feeling, at least not nearly as bad.

Unless you were actually hotboxing it in a car I do not think that second hand smoking is worse than actually smoking. The only evidence that I have herd that second hand smoking is worse than the normal is "Because my mommy told me so." If anyone can prove to me that second hand smoking is worse that normal smoking that please do because I want to see the other sides reasoning.

[Tiffany]

I think it's dangerous, yes. Moreso than actual smoking. Mainly though, because of the principle of it all. Smokers are aware of the risks and harmful effects from smoking. They know, yet they still choose to light up.

Non-smokers, know the risks and for whatever reason choose not to smoke, yet are still forced to inhale the smoke.

As for your proofs, I looked up a few things, and came up with this:

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I mean, I personally don't think that 4000 chemicals is healthy, but then again, that's just me. /sarcasm.

I'm glad that Ontario banned smoking in all indoor public places. Now I can go out to the bar and not smell like an ashtray or be hacking up a lung. Smokers can still smoke, but they're to be outside where the air can be cleared. Sure it sucks for them, but in my opinon, that's part of the consequences they have to accept when they chose to become smokers.

I'm what every smoker hates though, I used to smoke, for 10 years actually. Filthy, yucky habit yet I defended it like it was nobody's buisness. When I got sick, it was the change of season, or temperature that made me sick. NEVER the smoke. How silly I was. I used to get deathly sick 4-5 times a year.

In the 3 years I've been smoke free, I can still count on one hand how many times I've been sick. That's all the proof that I personally need that smoking is bad for you. But other people need to figure out that for themselves.

[Mistress Victoria]

Brought from the other thread.

Originally Posted by Piroblaze

Actually, from watching an episode of Penn & Teller Bullshit, one of their topics was Secondhand smoke. And the arguement was that they were trying to see if it really killed more than regular smoking or not.

And in the end, it proved to be "Bullshit", that second-hand smoke infact does not kill that many people.

[Bunny]

I understand my position as a moderator. I also understand that questioning a figure of higher authority is somewhat frowned upon. However, it is as a moderator that I must say your post is entirely inappropriate, Piro. Yes, I understand you are giving your opinion. However, you already gave your opinion. That is, in essence, a double post. While it is not the common double post, that being one after the other, it should be counted as a double post as it was already posted elsewhere.

Regardless, I doubt it matters.

I do not know a lot about smoking, nor secondhand smoking. I don't know all the medical mumbo-jumbo and I am not incredibly learned in the entire process, or the effects of it all. However, I can only assume that it is more or less as hazardous as actually picking up a cigerrete. You are basically taking in what the person breaths out, entirely. That includes regularly and.. smoke-stuff. Yeah, it sounds retarded but I don't deal in terms.

Also, Wikipedia Article because Wikipedia knows everything:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondhand_smoke

[Sean]

Yeah, and I'm happy for the law changes banning smoking in establishments. I generally tend to not like to go out often because I dislike being around smokers, granted my entire family smokes, but whatever.

I don't allow anyone, anyone to smoke in the basement, especially my room, or my car. I dated a girl once who smoked, and pissed her off to no end because I wouldn't let her smoke in my room or in my car.

The smell bothers me, kissing someone who smokes is disgusting, and it's not fun to hug someone and all you can smell is smoke. Seriously.

I despise smoking. My parents roll their windows down if I'm in the car with them and they start smoking, and I don't hang out with family members here at home very often because they all smoke. Hell, I can't stand being upstairs very long because of it.

[Secret Azn Man]

I think second-hand smoke can kill more because it can affect multiple people within the vicinity.

Anyway, I live with a brother who smokes. Even though it's his house, he still smokes outside or in the barely used half-bath with fan on. He also forbids his friends from smoking in the house period. While I appreciate his consideration, I still wish he never smoked at all. I mean, he does get sick more frequently. Like 10 times a year. Whereas me and my other brother barely get sick once a year. Plus, he has a kid now with another on the way. I want him to be around for as long as possible.

He knows it's bad. But not KNOW it. You know what I mean? Like, you know that eating unhealthy food is bad for you, but until you get high cholesterol, a blocked artery, and can barely run a mile, then you KNOW it's bad. I think all smokers are like that. They'll say they accept the consequences of smoking, but when it actually happens, usually to someone they know, then they actually quit.

Anyways, smoking is bad. It can kill. It's just not worth it.

[TheHasteChocobo]

Originally Posted by Secret Azn Man

I think second-hand smoke can kill more because it can affect multiple people within the vicinity.

You have a point there, it could harm 20 other people around a smoker doing 20 times the damage. But what I was getting at is if it hurts one non smoker more than the smoker or visa versa; comparing one's bodily damage to another not a group of 20 or how ever many. But I do like your out-of-the-box thinking. If you have any more please post.

[Secret Azn Man]

Well, in that case, I think smoking damages the smoker more than the non-smoker. Because the smoker breathes in more of the toxic substances as well as hold it in.

[LocoColt04]

While I do feel that the smokers feel the direct affects of smoking sooner, the danger is still there for those who deal with second-hand smoke. Even though the smokers are holding in the toxins and such, you have to realize that what goes in their lungs is filtered, while what the rest of us breathe coming off the cigarette is unfiltered.

Non-smokers may not feel the affects immediately, but after 20 years of secondhand smoke, I have the lung capacity of an old man. It's not good.

[Yuki-onna]

Hell, my lungs are probably stained for life with all the second hand I've been inhaling since the early days, especially after the move to the country that doesn't ban public smoking.

It's obviiously less worse, what with the actual smokers taking the blunt of the poison, but there's still a lot left to kill your lungs with. Smoking, smoke...it's bad however you try to twist and turn it.

Hell. We're all gonna die anyway.

[Secret Azn Man]

Yeah, but we want to delay death as much as possible. Breathing toxin does not help.

Loco is right about the filtered thing. I guess it all balances out.

[Rikkuffx]

Hasn't it has been proved scientfically that it is worse?My mom smokes,but I have yet to feel the effects,she even smoked when she was pregnant with me,not much but she did,maybe thats why i'm all messed up lol.

[Chez Daja]

Anybody who thinks second hand smoking is worse then direct access of smoke to the lungs needs help.

C'mon, isn't it obvious, that the person directly inhaling the toxins from a cigarette are worse off? I'm not saying second hand smoke does **** all, because it DOES harm people. I'm just stating the obvious. It's worse to be the smookee rather then the people inhaling behind.

My dad smokes and it pisses me off no end. I hate the smell, and it makes me spit up all the shit from the throat because I have some hole in the back of my throat that is easily irritated by smokers and the like.

People whom are exposed to second hand smoke for too long, suffer the effects, but the direct smoker is worse off.

When taking in the nicotine from a cigarette, it is addictive. Chemicals inside of a cigarette, such as benzopyrene, are taken into the lungs. Then the p53 gene is attacked, and gets these horrible chemicals attached to them, where, after many years of smoking, can show signs of lung cancer.

This goes for second hand smoke as well, but the effects aren't as bad because the smoke in mostly being inhaled into the smoker, and then exhaled, where any left over crap from inside these chemicals is given to other person nearby.

[TheHasteChocobo]

Originally Posted by Chez Daja

Anybody who thinks second hand smoking is worse then direct access of smoke to the lungs needs help.

C'mon, isn't it obvious, that the person directly inhaling the toxins from a cigarette are worse off? I'm not saying second hand smoke does **** all, because it DOES harm people. I'm just stating the obvious. It's worse to be the smookee rather then the people inhaling behind.

That's what I think, some say "consider the filter" but the smoker is breathing back in the unfiltered air too! Just like the non smoker! They both breath the same air but the smoker takes a hit from the cig, so he/she is getting a little extra smoke. AND just because the puff IS filtered DOESN'T mean that is't not bad for you, because I'm sure it is. So the little extra smoke means the smoker is getting a little exta harm which means it is worse for him/her.

LocoColt I'm talking about your reply too, I would have included your quote but I don't know how to put 2 quotes in one post, and I don't want to double post.

[Yuki-onna]

For the record, those "filters" on cigarettes do next to nothing about making smoking cleaner...haha...smoking...clean...

Otherwise...Chez pretty much says it all.

[D_SINNER]

if second hand smoking is more dangerous than actual smoking, then i will definitely stick to my marlboros! all the bitching in the world wont stop me from cigarettes, if you dont like it, move away. thats why malta rules, everyone is more openminded and relaxed!