Illegal Immigration

Originally Posted by chaosweapon

I'm not against immigration. I'm against illegal immigration.

Indeed. The audacity of illegal
immigrants often boggles me.
There's a difference in earning
your rights, and demanding them.
They shouldn't demand what they
don't deserve.

Today I found out that they are sending more guards to the border now to prevent immagrants from crossing over. they expect a negative feedback from the Mexican Goverment. To see those guards heading out in heards make me feel ike we are getting closer to having soldiers marching in the streets hitler style. I may not be as dramatic, but to look at the occurances that has me looking at the events in a completely different way.

[$Nanaki$]

Well, I'm American, but I am an Australian Permanent Resident.

Australia's migration policy is one of the most lenient and accepting in the western world--if you do it legally. We have a different proplem here altogether, being an island and all, in that most illegal immigrints come in by boat or overstay their visas.

If you are caught here, you are taken to what's called an "Immigration Detention centre" (Basically a prison) until it is found you can apply for asylum, or be deported to your home country, or stay for medical reasons.

But this process is agonizinly slow, and can take literally years to happen, all the time these people are kept in a concentration-camp like atmosphere. Some have gone to extraordinary lengths to protest their treatment, such as sewing their mouths shut.

The worry is that if the US adopts this kind of strategy, they may end up with a civil war on their hands. I agree everyone is talking about it but no one is doing anything about it. I talk to my father every week, who still lives in Arizona (which shares a border with Mexico) and he tells me every day of news stories of Airzons atate troopers catching vanloads of illegals coming in off of the interstate connecting the two countries. Where is it going to stop? There is no easy solution, but i don't think putting them into camps would be very good at all.

I was thinking today in class....

What if the government got like... 5-10 thousand illegals and se tthem up as spies. I mean, they (the government), can get trustworthy friends to "tattle" on eachother with just the thought of spending years in prison. The government should take these 5-10 thousand spies and set them out to find work. See, the problem isn't technically the illegals, its the bastards who hire them. Well these spies, when they get "hired", turn over their 'bosses' to the authorities, while still remaining anonomous. This in turn would put these corperations out of business, well the government would in this scenario, and they would be fined extensive amounts of money for bringing this plauge to our country. These spies would be persuaded by the thought of being sent to prison for a set amount of years. In turn, word would spread out and corperations wouldn't, in theory, take the chance of being caught, fined, and end up on the streets like so many homeless already out there.


Another thing I thought of, although this is just for shits and giggles, would to be put all the illegals in the fast food business. This would cut down on them stealing "our" jobs, as well as cut down on the number of fat people. I mean you wouldn't want to order a burger and fry from someone who can't even speak english would you?

[shauns_friend]

firstly i dunno how the immigration problem differes from america to uk, and secondly im sorry if anything i say offends and this post needs to be deleted.

i read a couple of posts earlier that i agree with, that is i dont mind immigrants at all. I actually have nothing against them, they make up a substantial part of the workforce that britain has failed to make from its own citizens. What i cannot stand and have no time for is these dirty thieving c***s that think the world is theirs. They walk into the country one day and have a house, a car, a job and more money than i'll ever earn put right in front of them. They damn well own the place. It's not so bad when they take the time to do things properly, get a decent job and pay their way but its a disgrace to every citizen in the UK (and USA) when our hard earned money goes to giving these b******ds food and clothes. Its the one thing that makes me sick to be british.

one other thing that did make me sick. I dunno how well known this news is but a couple of christmases ago the government was trying to ban christmas cards that had mary and jesus on the front. Also they tried to change the colour of the red cross that has been the symbol of our health service for generations. Why? because some damn ... i wont say that word, decided that seeing jesus on the front of a card offended their religion. That the red cross was detrimental to their beliefs. WHO GIVES A F***. It's our damn country not yours. If I went to china or italy or russia or in most cases america and said " you can't pray now and here because it offends me" id either get kicked out of the country or shot. Why should we have to change 1000 years of british heritage and belief because they feel it offends them. If they hate it so much then leave our country.



once again apologies all around for any offence. i just go on massive ranting sessions about this sort of thing .

[D_SINNER]

i am totally against illegal immigration. i am not racist, and defy being called that. neither am i politically correct, im just realistic. the name says it all in the first place "illegal" immigration, you're already breaking a law the minute you touch a border. in malta there's a huge problem with it. i agree that refugees are accepted temporarily in times of war, but that's it. immigration is only a plague on a country, and illegals are leeches. dont tell me they're poor, some of them spend huge thousands to get out of their country, then they forge illegal papers so that they're not sent back to where they came from

[maxpower]

Illegal Immigration is defiantly a bad thing! First off by accepting illegal immigrants we are saying to all the people that did it legally that we do not appreciate that they follow our laws. Secondly it shows no respect for the country that you are sneaking into. The reason that we have rules that ask people to become citizens legally is so that they can learn basic ideas about the community that they are moving into (things such as the language, customs, traditions, and the history of an area are important for new members to understand.) Take this forum for example when each new member joins they are asked to learn the rules by finding another member that they can ask questions to. Why is this important? It is important because if we don't have a system set up that assures that new members understand how the forum is run then we have a type of anarchy, defined as the absence of any cohesive principle, such as a common standard or purpose. If it is important to assimilate new members into a forum on Final Fantasy how much more important is it to make sure new citizens understand the country that they are moving into. Further more existing system help new citizens. For example by learning the native language and understanding how a country runs it is far easier to get a job and become a part of the community.
I am not against immigration in any way (who's ancestors are not immigrants in America?) Still this forum is not about immigration it is about illegal immigration, or immigration that is prohibited by law. I am also against robbing banks and running traffic lights which are also both against the law. Each country needs to have rules and regulations to exist all that I am saying is that anyone that wants to become a part of another country should have enough respect to follow those regulations (why do we want immigrants that don't respect our laws?) Just like I expect people posting on this web site to respect the rules, I also expect to follow the rules. I also follow the rules of my country so why should I not expect immigrants to follow those rules also? Does it not seem a little asinine to expect those citizens already living in a country to follow the rules while allowing potential citizens to break the rules and then argue that they should be allowed the same privileges as legal citizens?

[Kyo-san]

Did you know that most of the sh!t jobs here in America are worked by illegal immigrants?

[Kimmy37]

"Illegal immigrants (politcally correct term: Undocumented aliens) do the jobs that Americans won't."

Does this sound familiar to anyone? It was only a couple of decades ago people were saying,

"Blacks do the jobs that white people won't."

And what happened?

Anyway, ILLEGAL immigrants don't have a right to be here. If I went to Mexico illegally, I'd be shot or shipped back on sight.

Of course, I blame 1. the government of the US and 2. cooperate America.

1. The government is LETTING them come in. Sure, many illegals are stopped on the way in, but many AREN'T (obviously). Also, the government doesn't go to any lengths to get rid of them once they're here. Surely a company that produces x amount of product but employs only a handful of legal citizens is up to something.

2. Cooperate America gives jobs to these people. They go, "Hey, why pay an American $x when I can pay an illegal $2.00/hr? And get twice the work!" They get a little more cushion in their pockets, and a few more Americans get laid off.

I will say, though, that becoming a citizen is EXTREMELY DIFFICULT. You pretty much have to be born here or marry an American, and the second is still difficult. I'm not sure about the green card process, though.

Still, they should go through the system like every other immigrant has to.

Originally Posted by bullship

Did you know that most of the sh!t jobs here in America are worked by illegal immigrants?

I could care less if they do work or not. The millions taken from legal citizens double what little production they make. Sure they may have jobs, but our taxes are also paying for them to go to school, get medical care, and not to mention to live off of our government. There are plenty of people that are legal that can do "shit jobs". They are taking away from America in that aspect too. The out look that "Well they do our dirty work" is a bunch of bull shit.

[Tiffany]

Personally, if I had my way, I'd take all those "shit" jobs and give them to the people who are forever living off of welfare and tell them that if they want to continue getting assistance, they have to do those jobs.

We're a lazy bunch of fucks. Funny how we'd rather have people do those crap jobs, and to hell with the costs and whatever that Staci mentioned.

[Kyo-san]

Yes, they DO take jobs from Americans... the sh!tty little piss-on jobs that no one in their right mind does or would want to do anyway! Are you going to take their place to make sure that we have a full-running country?

[shauns_friend]

not to sound too harsh here but id happily get up at 5 am to go sweep puke off the road if it meant i could get at least one illegal alien shipped out of my country

and one mor thing... these people who are claiming asylum because of war in their countries... if our country goes to war we call up every person we can and send them to the front line but they think they can just cross a border and not have to... not to sound out of place but damn f*cking cowards.

[Malevolence]

The issue with jobs is a pretty straightforward one: If they aren't here, people say "Who will do the work?" Americans will. There are plenty of underemployed and disouraged workers (people who have left the labor market) in the US who are not counted by the government in the unemployment rate. If they were, our current "low" unemployment rate would skyrocket. The thing is, as long as people get paid decent wages and recieve benefits, they'll work. The reason illegal immigrants take the jobs is because they have no toher way to make money, and they take jobs that aren't even legal to be offered - below minimum wage, improper working conditions, and no taxes paid off wages to the government.

If/When Congress passes legislation that effectively felonizes millions of people living in America (note: I did not say, "Americans," I said people living here), they will either leave, go through the process legally, or be jailed. Amnesty, as well, is a gogd idea for people already here, but terrible forthe current rate, as more people will come over the border to try to gain amnesty. No other nation in the world has an amnesty policy for illegal immigrants - they're simply deported everywhere else.

As for the militarized border, it only makes sense. We're the last civilized nation other than Canada to have open, unmilitarized borders, and it doesn't make sense, especially (yes, I'm sorry, I'm bringing it up) after 9/11. If a Mexican citizen with no training in just about anything can hop a border, I'm sure a terorist can. It's absolutely absurd we're not at least patroling the border, let alone putting up a fence or a wall. Every European nation has had militarized borders since the 16th century. We're a little late.

[maxpower]

I think that it is ridiculous to say that Americans won't do a certain job. I have done many jobs that I was not excited to do and that might seem undesirable to an American. I think instead what most people mean is that Americans won't do certain jobs for three dollars an hour! That's true I have been a janitor, a dishwasher, and a maintenance worker and was fine to do it at a decent wage but I would not have done any of these jobs for below minimum wage.

I also think that it would be interesting to see what sources people are using to state that illegal immigrants are the only people that are willing to do certain jobs. If anyone can give me the source of a valid study that states that only illegal immigrants will do certain jobs please either post it or send me a PM.

However I can give you a valid study that states that more than a million sex crimes are committed by illegal’s every year in America. Try going to http://www.drdsk.com/articles.html#Illegals