gays

[Ashley271490]

Ok, do u believe that gays should have the right to do whats straight people do(Kiss, sex, etc.)?

I believe that everyone should have the right to love who they want to regardless of who it is

[Ashley271490]

u r right. gays should have every right that we do.

[Nekoness]

Whoa, an interesting problem.
Of course everyone have an equal rights to cuddle in public. But it'll be different in reality. Most of the people don't like gays couple, mostly men from what I know cause it scares/disgusts them. If such a person or a group of people who share the same beliefs about the subject will see such a couple..it may end ugly.
So my point is that there's a difference between reality and justice.

[Kinney]

There is nothing wrong in being gay, bisexual or lesbian. Man! They have the same rights as everybody else. I really hate people that have a different way to see it, like when they say "It is not right" or shit like that. Let them live! If they love each other then they should be able to do what they want. It really pisses me off when people hate them because of that

[hellbred]

I think everyone has the right to do as they wish, yes. I do not confide in it however. The very essence of procreation relies on a man and woman being together. I do not support gay marriage or relationships, but if that's what they enjoy... by all means!

[Plastik Assassin]

Here we go..

First off, I am not gay. Let's just get that out of the way. Its not really relevant at all when you break it down, but I know how some people can be on here...

My Opinion -- Gay is not a choice. Its a condition you are born with. Noone wakes up one day and says BAM! I am going to be gay today. That's not how it works. Whether its right or wrong is, again, irrelevant. My "god" doesn't make mistakes. Maybe yours does, mine does not. Gay is as human and as real as straight.

People that are gay are no different than those that are straight. We all have the same heart, the same minds, the same soul. We all bleed red, and we all know love. I believe that gays have every single right in this world than those that are not. People are ****in people. I don't know why so many have such a stick up their ass, and remain so ignorant to the fabric of humanity. Gay, straight, who cares? What matters in the world is love, peace, and the ability to make this world a better place....

I shared an apartment with a lesbian for 2 years, and you know what? I called her Jenni. Not Jenni the lesbian, just Jenni. She was one of the most caring, considerate people I have ever met. She was in a long term relationship with a woman for 6 years. And if she had the legal ability to have a good, legal, monogamous marriage she would have. Hell, I haven't even made it that far...

You may not like the way they kiss. You may not like the way they fornicate. Personally, I don't either. But I am also a grown, intelligient man that realizes that people are people, regardless of sexuality. I don't believe in taking a single thing away from those people who live differently than me.

And yes, I have studied the bible. And if you still believe that "god" views homosexuality as wrong, you need to read it all again. And pay attention this time.

[hellbred]

Originally Posted by Plastik Assassin

Gay is not a choice. Its a condition you are born with. Noone wakes up one day and says BAM!

I agree with all of what you said. I've met some very cool homosexual people, but I still do not think it's... hmm, appropriate I guess?

My friend Ashley is a lesbian and has stated many times she wishes she was straight and wants a husband and a child, but it just won't happen.

But I again think that homosexuality won't allow this planet to continue procreation... of course.

I don't think God hates gays, at all...but I believe God intended woman for man, and man for woman. Thus, homosexuality isn't a disease... but perhaps a condition, or a absence of something straight people possess.

[Plastik Assassin]

That may be true, yes. It may not be. We may never know.

Yes, procreation can only happen between a man and a woman. Thats obvious. You need a sperm and egg sandwich to make a baby. That's just how it works..

My only gripe is with those that believe that homosexuality is a choice. Granted, its an opinion and I respect that. But why, in this world, would anyone want to make that choice? Its not exactly the trendy thing these days. People get killed for that....

As I said, its just my opinion. And Hellbred, excellent point.

[relm]

Originally Posted by Plastik Assassin

My only gripe is with those that believe that homosexuality is a choice. Granted, its an opinion and I respect that. But why, in this world, would anyone want to make that choice? Its not exactly the trendy thing these days. People get killed for that....

Ahhh.. eeeh...
I'm one of those ppl that think Homosexuality isn't necissarily a choice,
but it isn't a condition either. I believe it is the way one is
raised that determines them to be gay or not. Its been a while
since I've taken a psychology course, but I remember something about
"Nature vs Nurture" that I agreed with. I just remember watching a
video on how two identical twins were raised differently and the way
they were nurtured differently affected how they both grew up.
So basically, i think it's all on how one raises a child to determine
whether they turn up gay or straight.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Plastik Assassin

My Opinion -- Gay is not a choice. Its a condition you are born with. Noone wakes up one day and says BAM! I am going to be gay today. That's not how it works. Whether its right or wrong is, again, irrelevant. My "god" doesn't make mistakes. Maybe yours does, mine does not. Gay is as human and as real as straight.

How can you back up such an assertion? When the human genome was mapped scientists searched for a "gay gene" but they didn't find one, so now they suspect it may be a combination of genes working together. However, perhaps being gay isn't down to choice - considering the social stigma associated with being gay those choosing to be homosexual would surely realize such an action will set them at a disadvantage in certain situations, yet it happens.

Even so, if being gay is a choice then there is little harm in that either. If two consenting and informed people choose to have gay sex in the privacy of their home then that's completely fine since no-one else is being harmed.

[Sasquatch]

Originally Posted by Plastik Assassin

My Opinion -- Gay is not a choice. Its a condition you are born with. Noone wakes up one day and says BAM! I am going to be gay today. That's not how it works. Whether its right or wrong is, again, irrelevant. My "god" doesn't make mistakes. Maybe yours does, mine does not. Gay is as human and as real as straight.

You're born with it ... but if it was genetic, it would have never been passed on, how does that work?

And yes, I have studied the bible. And if you still believe that "god" views homosexuality as wrong, you need to read it all again. And pay attention this time.

You need to pay attention. If you have studied the Bible like you claim -- which I highly doubt, judging by your various (incredibly misguided) opinions on it -- you would know fullwell what the Bible says about homosexuality. But since you've studied so much, please tell us, where does the Bible talk about homosexuality, and what does it say?

Originally Posted by Plastik Assassin

My only gripe is with those that believe that homosexuality is a choice. Granted, its an opinion and I respect that. But why, in this world, would anyone want to make that choice? Its not exactly the trendy thing these days. People get killed for that....

People get killed? Less than a dozen people have gotten killed, or even seriously physically harassed, for being homosexual "in this world". Maybe twenty years ago -- maybe -- but not in the 90s. A few people that were made into folk heroes and martyrs, but nowhere near a common occurrence.

While I wouldn't deny homosexuals any rights, I wouldn't accept any pleas to grant them any special rights -- including the "right" to marriage. Marriage, a religious institution, is not a "right". There are homosexual "civil unions" -- which grant too many rights anyway -- but there is absolutely no reason to grant any rights to a completely unnatural union. Immoral is one thing, but if we go by the laws of nature (meaning, what's natural and unnatural), it still shouldn't be endorsed. It's legal, sure, that's all fine and dandy, but I won't support it.

I'm satisfied with homosexuality not being a choice. But from birth? Hell no. If not a choice, it should be considered what it is -- a mental deficiency.

[Deicide]

I'm partially in agreement with relm and partially in agreement with Sasquatch.

To me homosexuality and/or bisexuality are not choices, its pretty well accepted that one cannot control whom they love or lust after, if it was there would be far less kids running around getting in a hissy fit because 'insert name here' will never notice them and add nausia-causing angst. However, yes, if its genetic when the pattern? Its not as if gay people can have children so why, praytell, has the 'gene combination' not long ago been removed from the genepool? Certainly it seems to serve no purpose as pertains to reproduction and the survival of the species as a whole.

I subscribe the idea that this is all a case of nurture overideing nature, I beleive homosexual urges are actually the cause of our subconsious minds being over exposed to sex-laden images of our own gender and, somewhere along the lines, decideing this is the object affection and lust should be directed towards. It is not an active choice, but nor is it genetic and while I dislike the label of 'mental deficiancy' it does seem clear this is more to do with the mind and the things we are exposed to (by choice or otherwise) growing up.

It IS a choice to admit to being homosexual, I beleive this is what most people actually mean when they say the entire thing is by choice. Personally I'd rather see the gay guys together than, as has happened in the past, entire families being wrenched apart because it turns out Daddy dearest finds Mommy quite disgusting and is having a nice little affair with Tom from Engineering. Honestly I think its harmful both to the mental state of the person involved and to those who may be hurt by lies for someone to keep there sexuality locked away. At the same time I grow weary of 'gay pride' as I have with every other show of 'pride' for with it there comes the assumption that 'equality' can be read as 'better treatment', that once oppressed people have the right to ask for things above and beyond what there supposed attackers can lay claim too as well as talking down about those people save in the knowledge they can call 'biggot' at any retort.

As a Christian I'm quite aware what the bible says, though many claim Gods stance is difficult to decifer in the matter. To me it is sinful to indulge in homosexual intercourse. If not because of the bible then because of the harm it can cause on a physical and mental level. However, as a Christian, I also believe in the devine right of free will, that God gave humans the right to take control of there own lifes, to turn from or to him as they feel fit, to do as they will and deal with the consequences in this life and the next. It is not my place to tell people what to do, who to love or how to live. It is Gods place. However it is not anyone elses place to tell others what to beleive in on a Religious level, to tell them they must 'marry' homosexuals simply because its 'the fair thing to do'. I find its infuriating that Christians are the only ones ever targeted for this when, in reality, many Religions frown upon such unions viewing them as sins or the equivilent within that beleive system. It is no more acceptable to force a man to say you are right than it is to make him beleive he is wrong.

In short I beleive Gays are entitled to the same rights as everyone else on a Govermental level. They are entitled to civil unions and all the legal rights and exceptions implied by such status, they have a right to live, to express affection in public and, as long as they keep it to themselves and behind closed doors, to engage in whatever 'love' they feel appropriate. However they do not have the right to walk all over those of Religious mindset, to force others to accept there lifestyle or to force it down anothers throat as if they are somehow 'superior' simply due to sexual orientation.

I would rather keep my own orientation to myself, since it is a thing of much complication. I would hope my views are not invalidated simply based on this lack of information but if they are I can do nought but pity those as would judge the validity of my views and words based soley on my personal preferances.

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[Sasquatch]

As far as I'm concerned, homosexuality is the same thing as paedophilia (NOT child molestation) and zoophilia. It's unnatural, doesn't result in procreation, and, if you ask me, pretty damn sick. It's a mental condition -- lust for something that humans should not lust for.