Rock or Rap?

[hellbred]

I think he's drawing his conclusion because basically everyone who has posted has said:

"Rap is crap"
"I can't stand rap.... it has no emotion"
"I don't so I won't be told about something that really doesn't matter a whole lot."
"Did I mention it takes no skill?"

Basically everyone is minimizing the style of music because they don't like the way it sounds. Personally the only 2 people I feel haven't minimized it is Plastik, and you Taco.


For everyone else...Sorry guys, fuck what ya heard it aint your world.

Well... I like both but when it comes down to it, Rock wins, not bc rappers arent talented or anything because I surely cant rap, but bc I only like some rappers. I can tolerate most any rock but I can only tolerate Some rap.

[hellbred]

Well not that it will change opinions, or even matter but.. I went to 3 seperate clubs tonight, and one pool hall and all 4 venues were playing rap and hip-hop music. Granted I live in Atlanta... but maybe Rap music is a partying music, where rock is just... I don't know... alone time, personal music. I don't listen to rock so I dunno what about it inspires.... but I do know every club or after hours location in Atlanta plays Hip Hop.

[Crazy Chocobo]

Originally Posted by hellbred

Basically everyone is minimizing the style of music because they don't like the way it sounds. Personally the only 2 people I feel haven't minimized it is Plastik, and you Taco.

Yeah, so what if we don't like the way it sounds? We all don't have to like rap. I prefer Rock anyday because it's what I have always listened to. Rap isn't my sort of thing. Not everyone has the same opinion on rap music. We should be able to say what we think without people telling us off or whatever. I just can't stand it. That's my opinion and if people don't like it...that's their problem! We can like rock music if we want! I just prefer the classics to the style we hear now. I was brought up with the music I listen to now. I don't like rap music and that's that.

[Ruby Light]

Originally Posted by hellbred

Rap does have a lot of beats and melodies used from older songs, won't deny that. But I woudn't deny Rap Artists require no skill, cause I sure as hell couldn't conjure up some of the lines Tupac, Eminem, or Nas, or Too Short, or Kilo, or an ass-ton of other decent rappers come up with.

Just because you don't prefer the music's melody, doesn't mean rap requires no skill. It's actually pretty annoying to hear people say that -- I don't see them making millions of dollars in the hip-hop industry.

A lot of newer hip-hop singers today are lame and all about the industry and molding to it. Not a lot of older rappers like 2pac are born these days, in fact I don't think another 2pac will be born.


What do you think some Rap is, fairy tales? Hip-hop was born in the ghetto, and was born about the struggle of African-American life in America. Sure.. Rock can make you rock till your an "ear-bleeding monkey on crack" -- but don't rule out that Hip-Hop is musical genre born from personal experiences as well.

I love you for making this explanation. I agree with you, like..OMG, totally..ha..

Yeah, I prefer Rap over rock. I have my moments when I listen to rock but rap will always be in my heart from the beats to the point the artists themselves try to put across to the listeners. Rap these days isn't like it used to be but there are a few that shine out from the shit.

I also like how with rap they have types that you can relate to, makes you think, vibe to or cruise to, like what was mentioned before. Rock is just..I dont know. I haven't really been too much into it lately but I just know that at the moment Im not into it as much as Rap.

[hellbred]

Originally Posted by ~Crazy Chocobo~

Yeah, so what if we don't like the way it sounds? We all don't have to like rap. I prefer Rock anyday because it's what I have always listened to. Rap isn't my sort of thing. Not everyone has the same opinion on rap music. We should be able to say what we think without people telling us off or whatever. I just can't stand it. That's my opinion and if people don't like it...that's their problem! We can like rock music if we want! I just prefer the classics to the style we hear now. I was brought up with the music I listen to now. I don't like rap music and that's that.

I never said you had to like rap music... I share your opinion with rock music. I like basically none of it and probably never will because rap/hip-hop is what I was brought up on as well, but I don't think of rock as a crap music style.

My point was -- just because you personally don't like something doesn't mean it's not meaningful, and inspirational. In fact, I guarantee it doesn't.

Edit:
I also think people are forgetting that in any form of music there is good and bad. Sorry rock has it's fair share of horrible artists. I think if people looked beyond some of the lyrics of Rap, and saw it for some of the poetry it has.. they wouldn't find it all bad. Take Tupac's song "Changes"....

and still I see no changes, can’t a brother get a little peace?
there’s war on the streets
and the war in the Middle East
instead of war on poverty

I am not saying that there is a huge musical merit to all rap, but there should be recognition of it as a true form of art. I listen to rock sometimes and hear 3 cords being played over and over, and that is not even to mention the bad drums, then someone says that a rap song is not really music because it is the same harmony playing over and over. How closed minded some people are baffles me.

I am not saying that we should all like rap, I am simply stating that it should not be completely dismissed, because like food, a little ethnicity does not hurt anyone.

So before you start saying "Screw you I can listen and like what I want" you should attempt to spend more than 3 and a half seconds actually understanding the point I'm making.

[Daddy]

Originally Posted by hellbred

I think he's drawing his conclusion because basically everyone who has posted has said:

"Rap is crap"
"I can't stand rap.... it has no emotion"
"I don't so I won't be told about something that really doesn't matter a whole lot."
"Did I mention it takes no skill?"

Basically everyone is minimizing the style of music because they don't like the way it sounds. Personally the only 2 people I feel haven't minimized it is Plastik, and you Taco.


For everyone else...Sorry guys, fuck what ya heard it aint your world.

Please don't put words into my mouth - I was never saying Rap required no skill. All I said is that I won't be told about something that doesn't really matter that much [to me].

[hellbred]

Originally Posted by Daddy

Please don't put words into my mouth - I was never saying Rap required no skill. All I said is that I won't be told about something that doesn't really matter that much [to me].

Never said you said rap required no skill. Read my post again.

And thank you for correcting the [to me] part. Rap and it's roots do mean something to millions of people.

[Daddy]

That's great, but just because something means a lot to alot of people doesn't make it inherently good. It's like when people think parrot ****ing is a-okay, because 16 or so of their friends say so - you and I know it's wrong, but those people don't.

[Chez Daja]

Hmmm.

Rock. Rap. Rock. Rap.

I personally prefer rock.

In my opinion, rock requires way more instrumental talent, whereas rap requires more lyrical talent.
I like both, but rock does come above and that's because I refer instrumental talent to constant lyrical beats that are fast and harder to understand.
While I feel that both genres require talent, I'd have to say I think rock requires more effort, since there's usually not many instruments in a rap song.

Perfect example are rappers today, who's voices are a lot louder and somewhat drown out the sound of any instruments in the song or the beat.

My opinion. God. Don't stab me for having an opinion, like everybody seems to stab Daddy, Jet and Jintatsu in these threads.

Hellbread, Cobain and the others, you know I respect you. But a lot of flaming goes around these threads. it'd be nice to see a clean thread once in a while, guys...

[The Welsh Paddy]

Call me ignorant, but I think rap is just... shite. Okay, there are some exceptions, like Eminem. But, from what I hear in a lot of rap, it's just them singing how they defy the law, do drugs, getting laid by "hoes" and then getting shot in either a gang war, or by the police. Quite frankly, I just think it's too repetative. Anyone can string a bunch of lines together about their own lives. But saying that, there's most probably a lot of rappers who I've never heard, so I guess I don't have enough facts to back up my own oppinion. Ah well.

As a whole, I'd say I prefer rock music. Though I'm actually disappointed with the amount of bands that sound so much alike, these days. And the amount of cheap immitations of more talented bands. Right now there isn't that many English singing bands I really like. Right now there's Guns 'n' Roses, Trivium, Iron Maiden, Sonata Artica (A Dutch band, but the majority of their songs are in English), Dragon Force, and a few others. I listen to a hell of a lot of Japanese Rock these days, as well as other foreign bands, but it's mostly Japanese. I found it surprising how many good musicians they have over there. x_x; But yeah, I prefer rock music to rap.

[postalblowfish7]

Originally Posted by Taco Del Fish

Who was saying that rap requires no skill, besides Devil? That's what I'd like to know. Or are you just assuming that a lot of the people who said they didn't like rap thought it required no skill because they don't like it?

I'm sorry, but I'm getting a little annoyed here. Don't put me in with the one guy who's saying that rap "takes no skill." Let's take a look back at my first post: What does that mean? Does "a valid form of expressing oneself" equal "No skills whatsoever?"

I just went back and read through the entire post, and the only other person who said anything close to anything like that was Setzer, and he said that rock probably takes a little bit more effort than rap, based on that rock artists generally play their own instruments and have to write music for those instruments.

Once again: I never said that rap takes no skill. I just said that I like rock better. Also, fuck you too. And I don't feel bad about saying that, since you generalized and called basically everyone who didn't like rap a "****ing idiot."

Wuv, Yer Mom

i wasn't really talking to you Taco - i like you.

i'm just sick and tired of every time rap is brought up there's a barrage of negativity poured towards it - largely because people don't understand just how much skill it really takes.

of course when i talk about skillful rap (or skillful rock for that matter) i'm not talking about what you'll hear when you turn on your car's radio because you left your iPod in your apartment. most radio music is bullshit anyway - the 'rock' that gets airplay is just as trite and manufactured as any of that 'clubbin' rap bullshit.

that in mind, all forms of music are valid - just because one doesn't conform to your particular taste doesn't make it bad, it just means you don't dig on it. (again, this is sans pop music - when i say forms of music i'm talking about musicians that are actual artists). i feel that you grasp this concept taco, and i'm sorry if you felt grouped into the fucking idiots statements - it was kinda out of line in the first place... ...but nothing pisses me off more than musical ignorance.

[Storm]

Originally Posted by postalblowfish7

>.<

****ing idiots

rock musicians have been writing the same songs since the 60's - and i'd love to see one of you little punks who say rap requires no skill to battle rap with an underground MC in the inner city, just so i could see you wet your pants and cry in front of an audience laughing their asses off at you.

i voted for rock though, cause i'm a rocker, it's what i do. i love a lot of rap though - especially wu-tang and all the solo shit from them. eminem is good, but his later shit is too self absorbed for my tastes - **** kanye, i don't even really like jay z - Nas is alright (sometimes), redman is hilarious, tribe called quest is my favorite of the old skoolers.

If that was half-aimed at me, i did not say that rap does not involve skill. Of course it does... I get short of breath and stutter when i regurally talk to fast! What i ment by my post was that how the background of most rap songs is the same. Whith the continuous beat and sounds.

Also, i don't see how rock musicians have been writing the same songs since the 60s. I see so much difference between many rock bands. There are so many different styles which branch off the backbone of rock, and many bands trying to make themselves sound individual hanging off these branches, making the whole rock music industry such an interesting and varied one.

[Chez Daja]

Originally Posted by valentine89

Also, i don't see how rock musicians have been writing the same songs since the 60s. I see so much difference between many rock bands. There are so many different styles which branch off the backbone of rock, and many bands trying to make themselves sound individual hanging off these branches, making the whole rock music industry such an interesting and varied one.

I agree, although Postal does have a good point.

There are a lot of bands who try to somewhat mimic each others' sound, making original, good and raw rock a hard thing to find nowadays, which is why instead of bothering with rock, I listen to metal and jazz. I like rock from the 80's, but these days, it can become quite tedious hearing of bands who does have a similar sound.

Rock shouldn't be placed into a stereo-type though, and so in theory, neither should rap. However, as more kids develope a taste for music, a lot of them are going off into the rap sound, while others are clearing off in rock. This causes a lot of annoying fights between kids, and you can see a lot of that rubbing off in here. A lot of kids get bullied for liking one thing because the "mainstream" likes another thing. Many seem to forget the fact that by saying "just because the mainstream like it, doesn't make it good", not directed at anybody in particular, since I see this discussion everyday in these forums, and have done for over a year, it seems to me that neither maintstream or music that is less liked is good in peoples eyes.

We shouldn't closed our minds to other peoples' tastes, just to cater for our own. Yes, I despise pop and dance, but if it's good to others, then I guess it can't be bad, only to ones' personal opinion. I see a lot of flaming going around, and in music, it seems to be most severe. Does music really matter that much that everybody has to start a fight over it?

I think both rap and rock require talent, skill and effort. And while I personally feel rock requires more effort because of the instrumental talent involved, I feel that every piece of music requires skill. One will always like it. Others might hate it. Doesn't mean it's good or bad. In general, it's neither.

To each his own.