Rock or Rap?

[Taco]

Originally Posted by hellbred

Curiosity bested me. How often do you all listen to Rap/Hip-Hop? You seem to know an awful lot about how Rap music's melodies are all the same, which I find happens, but I don't agree with for the majority of rap music.

I was not talking about the background melodies, I was talking about the rapping itself. Rapping by definition does not have melody in it; it is basically spoken-word poetry, with rhythm.

Even so, there are some bands that play their own instruments, and then there are rap-rock (note the word "rock") bands as well, but the majority of what I've heard revolves around a repetitive background melody, possibly taken from another artist's song; for example, a single I heard by Lil John used the guitars from Crazy Train by Ozzy Osbourne, but simplified it a lot.

I guess I can't really say I've heard every rap artist in the world, but I've heard a lot in my time, and what I said is what I've found to be true; there is generally more melody involved in rock than there is in rap. Nice getting all getting offended about it, though

I didn't really pay much attention to what anyone else said up to this point...

Wuv, Yer Mom

[hellbred]

Originally Posted by Taco Del Fish

I was not talking about the background melodies, I was talking about the rapping itself. Rapping by definition does not have melody in it; it is basically spoken-word poetry, with rhythm.

Correct. By melody I thought you ment the specific chords and instrumentals. Rap songs often have big melodic choruses these days.

And I didn't get offended, I'm not a rapper. If I were I may be, but I'm not. I'm simply defending Rap music because it's getting biased opinions on this thread because of "Lack of Skill".. and .."it sounds like crap"... well that's their opinion.

I think rock sounds like 50 pounds of ass in a 10 pound bag, but I don't think that means Rock requires no skill.

[Plastik Assassin]

#500 baby! LOL

I choose rock. Its just the style of music I like the most. I grew up on metal, then once I grew up my taste turned to punk. I never really cared that much for rap music. I never hated it, but ever really enjoyed it. I own a Jay-Z album, 2 Ice cubes, and the Eminem catalog, but that's it. My rock CD collection numbers over 500. So naturally, I like the rock.

Also, why does almost very music thread turn into a bitch-fest in less than a day?

[hellbred]

Because retards like to start on the "rap/rock requires no skill, it's not music, it's shit, pure shit!"

Which is just their opinion. There's different genres of music because music effects people differently and is enjoyed differently. I myself don't find Rock to be a skilless talent or even find it horrible music unlike the obvious Rap-bashers have, but I do not enjoy rock -- it doesn't effect me emotionally or motivates me in a way unlike Hip-hop.

And it's too easy for someone to be like "Ya know, I'm sure Hip-hop and Rap requires knowledge, skill and determination like most music -- but I'm just not into it"

Instead, you get immaturity like "RAP IS SKILLESS, GANG PROPOGANDA AND THE N*GGER MUSIC."

[Plastik Assassin]

It all takes talent whether you like it or not.

If it didn't, the music industry would be a hell of a lot bigger than it is. Not everyone can just snap their fingers and become a vocalist/drummer/guitarist/rapper that day. Some are born gifted, but most practice for years. Hell, some people work their whole lives to gain these abilities, and still fail.

Like I said, I am not a big fan of rap music, but, I will acknowledge that it does take a lot of talent, hard work, and perseverance to make it. Go listen to Eminem or Jay-Z and tell me that's just babbling.

[OneWinged Angel]

My Opinion is that rock is better than rap ( well unless its a crap rock band ) but there have been a few rap songs that have been great , 2Pac : Changes that song is just great but over all rock has my vote

[hellbred]

Yeah, I enjoy Tupac a lot. He spawned so much of the hip-hop culture... but it has bee greatly distorted. Eminem, and Fifty and Dre attempt to recontruct it, but I don't think it will ever be the same. Rap lost a talented man when Tupac died.

[OneWinged Angel]

i think your right no one can bring back what is lost and rap is lost

OneWinged Angel (Sephiroth)

[Blacksmith]

Oh that's good dude, thinking I'm the usual biased rap-basher you see. Biased? Not really. Rap-basher, totally. I've actually taken a liking to a few songs in the past, all my friends have, but still yet rap or hip hop factually takes NO SKILL. I never said it was trash even though a lot of these rappers and such do promote trash.

Anyway, let's see here...

1. They can't sing, whether it's a style that requires it or not.
2. Even if they did make some shit up from the gheto and what not, there hasn't been MANY "artist" of this genre that I can see that has truly put any emotion into their lyrics or music. Hell by the time rap got popular (which didn't take long due to MTV and a vast society of idiots), every music industry company grabbed all they could to do what...SELL THEIR ALBUMS AND THEN WHAT...Oh yeah...GET MONEY.
3. All rap and hip hop has done is make a new type of idiotic stereotype and promote a bunch of bullshit, excluding the few good rappers who actually had something to say other than acting like horny ****s.
4. Did I mention it takes no skill? They walk around on stage, grab their nuts, and "talk" with a melody most of them didn't even come up by themselves. Old or new.

My parents knows it takes no skill, my sisters and brother-in-law know it takes no skill (and they all listen to it), everyone of my friends knows it doesn't take any skill, my next door neighbor knows it doesn't take any skill. I could probably put up a petition to and get thousands of replies (who like and dislike the genre) that it takes no skill.

Plus how could you call this shit immature? I've never said it was bad music, I never said it was ****** music, I never said it focus'd on gang propaganda (thought some actually does, you agreed on that earlier yourself), so again...how is it immature to tell the fact that this entire genre TAKES NO SKILL? Sure, some of them can write their lyrics, maybe make up their own beats, but how hard is that? You can take any drum machine, put up some random lyrics, and make music out of it.

Your argueing that I'm a biased dumbass, I'm argueing that rap has and takes no skill, (not to mention you said proved that for me a second ago), so where is the relevance? Rap IS propaganda in a sense for the music industry throwing all those guys out and gettion MILLIONS every month. Hell when Vanilla Ice joined it you knew rap went bad. And for your enjoyment I have a song from "Adam and Andrew" guys who did the "Emo Song" and also wrote a song called "Rap sucks", don't take it seriously but it can explain a lot. Comedy is truth told sarcastically.

Originally Posted by Adam and Andrew

I'm a rapper, and I'm capitalizing
On a no talent trend that'll never stop rising
I've committed 42 crimes but I've never been to the jails
I can still do my job even though I've killed all my brain cells
With the ciga-weed sticks before I write all my songs
During a 60 minute hit with a never empty bong
I got the hoes on my **** and the bitches on their knees
I have 18 kids and 3 dozen STDS
But I still keep it real with my homies on the street
Cause I’ve taken half of them and put them in my posse
They're all almost thirty but they dress like there 18
And they bob their heads to any sound like an empty-headed trained monkey
I only rap about drugs, porn, and man **** the police”
I gotta make up some words so that I can keep rhyming
I S to the iso U to the C-K
I dropped out of 8th grade and I'm making tons of money

Cause I'm a rapper, the whore talks back to me so I slap her
Then she falls unconsciously and I tap her
And you should be fed up and the green thing on my **** won't let me get up
Cause I'm a rapper, I live a life under smoke and full of laughter
The police see me and they wanna chase after
But they can never catch up cause my social status keeps me away from the cuffs.

I'm a role model, everybody should want to be like me cause I'm hot
With a strained, dazed glare and eyes that are blood shot
As you're hiding in your room jacking off in a sock
I gotta slut down on me with a package full of pop rocks
Lil Bow Wow's off the streets and his sales are getting higher
He's not even 14 and he’s able to retire
Cause his life experiences enhance his lyrics
That can open your soul and raise your spirits
Lil Bow Wow what you say? “You heard of me, had to
I'm that lil bad dude with JD
I'm the A in the hit, the prince of the click
What you think keep making Shorty have them fits
It’s the B to the capital O-W Wow”
How can you not fall in love with that style
With all that soul, man Lil Bow you’re a genius
I'm gonna have to name my next aborted fetus after you
And I'll write a song about it but you'll never hate me
And I'll use dull repetitive beats that I stole from slim shady
Who stole from Dr. Dre who copied MC HAMMER
And I never ever had to learn grammar

Cause I'm a rapper, the whore talks back to me so I slap her
Then she falls unconsciously and I tap her
And you should be fed up and the green thing on my **** won't let me get up
Cause I'm a rapper, I live a life under smoke and full of laughter
The police see me and they wanna chase after
But they can never catch up cause my social status keeps me away from the cuffs

[hellbred]

Originally Posted by Devil

but still yet rap or hip hop factually takes NO SKILL

Factually? I don't see any facts from your posts that stats Rap has no skill. It's your opinion Rap has no skill because you obviously think any 14 year old can grab some recording software, make some rhymes and a beat, then sell it and never have to work again in his life.

The reason I say this, is because every reason you give me that Rap is shit music, could easily be said about Rock music. Can I go buy a drumset and guitar and spend 4 hours making lyrics up about how I want to slit my wrists, monsters, being lonely, self-pity, and pain? That's all I hear in Rock music... but I haven't heard all Rock music have I? Much like you haven't heard all Rap music but you draw a conclusion based on comparison anyways.

If all this is true, then yeah... Rock and Rap require no skill. You must be right.

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1. They can't sing, whether it's a style that requires it or not.

I'm not fond of rock singers. So can they not sing either?

2. Even if they did make some shit up from the gheto and what not, there hasn't been MANY "artist" of this genre that I can see that has truly put any emotion into their lyrics or music. Hell by the time rap got popular (which didn't take long due to MTV and a vast society of idiots), every music industry company grabbed all they could to do what...SELL THEIR ALBUMS
AND THEN WHAT...Oh yeah...GET MONEY.

99% of Hip-hop is based on emotional lyrics. Rap music inspires some to push on through a struggle... like a phoenix rising if you will. I don't know what rap music you've been listening to lately.

3. All rap and hip hop has done is make a new type of idiotic stereotype and promote a bunch of bullshit, excluding the few good rappers who actually had something to say other than acting like horny ****s.

So all rock has done is breed a generation of heroin-addicts who scream loud and get high all day, while crying.

4. Did I mention it takes no skill? They walk around on stage, grab their nuts, and "talk" with a melody most of them didn't even come up by themselves. Old or new.

So rock stars bang around on drums, while a lead emo-guitarist screams to the point beyond recognition, usually wearing some prissy ***** girly outfit..while playing a melody that probably conjured up while they were intoxicated.

Sterotyping is fun huh?

[Daddy]

I avoid Rap like the plague.
Nuff' said. If I wanted to hear about the ghetto, I'd move there. However, I don't so I won't be told about something that really doesn't matter a whole lot.

[Storm]

ROCK ROCK ROCK! I CANNOT STAND RAP MUSIC!

For my own personal taste, music must come from real instruments and songs must be sung with emotion. With guitars maintaining the pace and flow of a song, with strong drum and bass backgrounds. Throw in a keyboard maybe, or something else. Rock is also a much more varied genre. Theres so many different rock bands, and a few similar ones, but the majority are unique. I feel rap is too single-tone, with a continuous beat and keyboard/computerised sound effects. The only rap song i can safely say I like is Goldie Lookin' Chain's "Your Missus is a Nutter" because of it's funny lyrics.

[postalblowfish7]

>.<

****ing idiots

rock musicians have been writing the same songs since the 60's - and i'd love to see one of you little punks who say rap requires no skill to battle rap with an underground MC in the inner city, just so i could see you wet your pants and cry in front of an audience laughing their asses off at you.

i voted for rock though, cause i'm a rocker, it's what i do. i love a lot of rap though - especially wu-tang and all the solo shit from them. eminem is good, but his later shit is too self absorbed for my tastes - **** kanye, i don't even really like jay z - Nas is alright (sometimes), redman is hilarious, tribe called quest is my favorite of the old skoolers.

rock all the way rap is crap