Abortion: Do you Agree or Not?

[Tiffany]

How is she starting with you????

Unless I missed something, but I don't think she's even responded to any of your posts.....

[Blacksmith]

Like anyone here, I have a yes and no opinion about abortion. Mainly no though. Now, years ago one of my exes got raped by four guys (and they were all drunk so she couldn't defend herself well, including herself), and they said she was going to have twins. Along with her age, the probability of surviving that thing are actually quite low, so she had to get one or it would mean her life. Personally I'm glad it happened since she's a cheating bitch (and with 3 other ****ing guys after that!), but it was definitely a appropiate thing to do.

But onto the main subject, people who lack the responsibility and replace that with lazy bullshit are murderers. Thousands upon thousand women out there give abortions to these unborn children because of stupidity THEY commited (excluding those who used condoms and the like). Some chances are accidents, but it only happens because some people are too ****ing stupid to use a third of their brain. I think we should keep abortion, but have more strict rules. A very young teen who was raped would be a exception to these rules, but a very young teen who forgot to use the condom should by all means have the child as a reminder. Some times you have to take the factors and sacrifice these unborn children, I mean how happy do you think that child would be if he/she was being raised by such a young mother that couldn't support him/her as well as a full grown adult can? Hell, my best friend was a victim to that for years before his grandma took him away from his mother. He now has some type of asthma because of his mother's actions. So I ask the people who are COMPLETELY against it if it is worth letting a child be born into a world of no-care and having problems every single day? There are many mothers out there who neglect their own ability to be a mother and won't give the child up.

Like everything there is two sides to each life, like I just spoke of. You shouldn't get to execute your own child, but under circumstances some times it is better to let the child go. And blind hope cannot excuse that. If you cut off a horse's legs what purpose does it have? Abortion is both mercyful and merciless, but maybe if they forces stronger rules upon it things may get better.

[hellbred]

Originally Posted by Devil

Now, years ago one of my exes got raped by four guys (and they were all drunk so she couldn't defend herself well, including herself), and they said she was going to have twins. Along with her age, the probability of surviving that thing are actually quite low, so she had to get one or it would mean her life.

You've just described the only scenario in which I feel abortion is the only resort, and it has nothing to do with rape. If at any time a unborn child jeopardizes the life of the mother I feel abortion is the only response for such an occurance; regardless of how the baby was conceived.

Originally Posted by Devil

I think we should keep abortion, but have more strict rules. A very young teen who was raped would be a exception to these rules, but a very young teen who forgot to use the condom should by all means have the child as a reminder.

I utterly an intently agree with this statement. An yes, most of us have yes an no answere's. This issue is so huge!! how can you have just one opinion or one side to it. There are too many ways to wind up in this situation. Like, I agree that a women that is young, an raped should be allowed to abort.After all I am a fond believer that we need to protect our children, but someone that just goes out an messes around......now that person should have to be held accountable. not that children are the best thing in the world since sliced lettuce, but it is about the responsibility of a whore, or what not. You lay , you pay...that is all there is to it. The one main kind of abortion I am strictly against it back alley abortions, or trying to kill youself (with alcohol...etc). these people need to be shot for being all to happy about destroying their child for a sex life.

P.S. an not to sound contradictive, but I do not think a child is that much af a punishment,,,my son is the best thing since sliced lettuce to me,

[Hecate]

Yes, those who keep their kids never really regret it. Like her, Wes is the best thing that's ever happened to me. Changed my road in life?? Yes, but for the better. I'm one who believes things should happen for a reason.

So, my final word, I'm against abortion, but like circumcision, it should be kept available for those who DO opt for it. Others getting their abortions don't hurt those of us who are against it. The question of morality will always be there, be it for mother's choice or baby's right to live, it'll always be there and be unsolvable.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Sherry Wine

For Staci since she's confused:
I see BOTH sides to things, and I'm PERSONALLY against abortion, but again, I see things from BOTH sides (being republican). End.

Oh yeah, Republicans totally see things from both sides.

So do Democrats.


In the end, picking a political party and saying you see both sides of something BECAUSE of being part of that party, is ****ing stupid. Democrats and Republicans but heads for a ****ing reason, you know.

Cheese, that video was really.... moving. Doesn't change my stance, but ****ing A.




Still, it reaffirms my belief that it's helping the economy. That's 1.3 million 3 year olds we don't have right now, assuming all 1.3 million lived that long. You have to think that each of those kids would consume at least 10 dollars a day, or more. If half were put into government funded housing facilities to await adoption, at average 10 per day, 650,000 children would go through 65,000,000 (sixty five million) dollars a DAY. Multiply by 365, you get 2,372,500,000. Double that, to assume that all 1.3 2002 abortions were put up for adoption for only one year, even for just a few days. 4 billion right there.


Edit:

1.3 million abortions in one year seems a little off for a country that has nearly 300 million residents.

[Kinney]

I have both points. Once my sister told me that she supports it, and I asked her why and she said that if you did not wanted the baby and still you had it then he/she was going to suffer. I agree with that in a way but I aslo dont agree, it is very cruel.

[Angantyr]

It's not cruel, death. People live then you die, shit happens and you deal with it. I honestly still don't understand why you people don't realise the implications of an over populated planet. You think that 1 little life would of made the world such a better place? No quite the opposite, they would live a pointless life, learn the world, follow some stupid trend as a teen, rebel, go to school, get a job, have more kids, retire or get killed, then die. 6 Billion people in the world, we should be concentrating on what we have all ready got rather making more and falling even more behind.

I think you are following a different issue. Are you saying we should all get abortions or something? I am pretty sure that women who get abortions are not thinking of the good of the planet. An I am not sure if we have an overopulation problem....our largest metropolan is Japan...A freakin' island for god sake, not to mention almost all of Africa in complete desert an well as South America in complete forest. It is true that America may have an overoplulation problem, but that is mostly because of our laws of immagration. America tends to pay for immagrated children more than for it's own, but like I said...different topic.

"Sean" Yeah, and that video is kinda gruesome. Can't say I did not warn ya, Lol. I am glad to hear you feel strongly for what you believe in though. Make it more interesting. It would suck if everyone agreed..than I might have to get a life, Lol, JK. Stay cool

Either way a baby is going to suffer "Kinney". Killing it is just the quick way , though. Which I have to admit is better. But those kind of mothers that do things like that to their children are few an far between. The most cases are usually found on an overly dramatic TV series. If this were a common thing I am pretty sure that America would be worse than it is today.

Oh, and I was under the impression that rebuplicans were Pro choice....I dunno my family is democrat. >> <<

[Hecate]

I dunno, to me, republicans seem to see both sides to things while demos are selfish....then again there's different variations of the two, extreme VS moderate.

anyway, not about politics.....'bout the little ones. There's still the issue, if they opt for adoption, that there are MANY women world-wide who can't have children of their own. Yes, some kids are placed into homes that are cruel, but not all. My brother-in-law and his two brothers were adopted into loving homes....maybe too loving for his type (his mom still babies him even though he's married with his own kid). anyway, Patty couldn't have her own kids so she fostered kids till she found her three sons and that was that.....but I also believe the GVT should further investigate homes who are asking to foster children...many do it because they get paid to do it, per kid, and spend the money on themselves rather than the children.
Anyway....taking a life of a fetus is still taking a life, and as I said in the previous thread, taking a life is AKA KILLING, no matter HOW young or underdeveloped the body is, it's still a life.

my answer is i do agree with it and i say that because i think that a baby should not be concidered a life until it is capable (without major problems) of surviving outside of the mother so anyways yeah not to mention would you want some whore to not be able to have abortions and have her ruin there lives because she would not be a fit mother ( NOT LIKE I CARE) which would prolly make the kids be homeless in the long run or rapest??? or would you rather have her get the abortion and not have F*CKED up kids?????

[Hecate]

Many strippers make good mothers and recover from the birth rather easily, and quick. Cheese lost her baby tummy in...what....2 months? Maybe less? Strippers can probably lose it just as quick if they do things right. One of my friends has a stripper for a mom and she's turned out just fine. Strippers are SUPPOSED to be protected from sexual encounters while at work, so as not to get AIDS or HIV, many strip club owners take VERY good care of their girls. Same with prostitutes who work in a group for someone, they are usually well taken care of when it comes to sexual encounters, condom policy, and are regularly tested for pregnancy and STDs.

So I don't think strippers are as much of a problem here as careless teens who have sex without protection because "it feels better", and there IS a decline of that happening lately, but we're still a LONG way of fully stopping it, and never will be.

Originally Posted by Sherry Wine

I dunno, to me, republicans seem to see both sides to things while demos are selfish....then again there's different variations of the two, extreme VS moderate.

This is a rather narrowminded thing to say. Democracy is a party that has adverse opinions about certain goverment laws. I do not see how being a democrat explains personality flaws. All it implies is your main stance on certain laws. Democrats just tend to be more liberal in certain area's. In this case the majority of democrats would say that it is a womens choice. Being that I believe that, but also believe that it is wrong goes to show that you can not always stand by your party at all times. People will always make their own desiscons.

I do however agree that if you take care of yourself the right way throught pregnancy an after labor you can be able to lose your baby fat in no time. So using this as an excuse to abort does not go over well. As long as you get out an eat right, their should be no problem. Choosing vanity over a baby (reguardless or losing wieght or not) is just problematic. Vanity over life? You have to be joking

An my question is where do these people get off on thinking that the main reason people get an abortion is because they are so moral to abort thier child? Do you have any idea how much that stuff costs? if they were low lifes they would just take the shit load of money the government gave them an keep the kid for the hundreds that you get back in taxes. No, sorry but the people that want to get abortions are not these low life's. these people obviously care about life, in the sense that they are not going to beat their children, but they are not ready (no matter how much they **** around) to have a child. Meaning they have just not matured. In the real world sadly, the bad mothers do not usually opt for abortion. So them not beig able to abort would not lead to them beating there children. Maybe on the little crime scene TV episodes, but not in the real world. If they wanted to abort that bad...they would not just beat you, they would just get rid of you.

[TomStrife]

Originally Posted by Sherry Wine

Many strippers make good mothers and recover from the birth rather easily, and quick. Cheese lost her baby tummy in...what....2 months? Maybe less? Strippers can probably lose it just as quick if they do things right. One of my friends has a stripper for a mom and she's turned out just fine. Strippers are SUPPOSED to be protected from sexual encounters while at work, so as not to get AIDS or HIV, many strip club owners take VERY good care of their girls. Same with prostitutes who work in a group for someone, they are usually well taken care of when it comes to sexual encounters, condom policy, and are regularly tested for pregnancy and STDs.

So I don't think strippers are as much of a problem here as careless teens who have sex without protection because "it feels better", and there IS a decline of that happening lately, but we're still a LONG way of fully stopping it, and never will be.

I am sorry but I am quite angered at the road this thread took. Tell me, why you mentioned strippers and what relevance do they have to any point of this topic? Should we talk about how female dentists take care of their babies too?!

And strippers can take good care of their babies, huh? So you have talked to a large majority of strippers and have seen their children in great care?
How the heck would you know this?