Abortion: Do you Agree or Not?

Well that is what you think and that doesnt mean someone has to think the same. If you feel it is murder to abort a child from the womb them you can think that.

remember abortion is a CHOICE that people make to help either themselfs out or maybe the child. I know this isnt a good reason to do this but it is not illegal and it will never be illegal no-matter how much people protest against it.

Well this is all i am going to say for now.

[Plastik Assassin]

Originally Posted by ffxjunky

it is not illegal and it will never be illegal no-matter how much people protest against it.

It IS illegal in South Dakota now.

People now have to drive next door to MN here to get an abortion.
The doctors are making a killing. ( Yes, pun )

[Sasquatch]

Originally Posted by ffxjunky

Well that is what you think and that doesnt mean someone has to think the same. If you feel it is murder to abort a child from the womb them you can think that.

A few hundred years ago, society thought that it wasn't murder to beat a black person to death for looking at your wife. Under your mentality, it doesn't matter what anybody does, as long as it doesn't affect you personally -- in which case, I can go kill black people, homosexuals, Muslims, and pre-pubescent morons, and hey, just because you may think it's wrong doesn't mean that I have to think it's wrong or that I have to live my life by your values.

[TomStrife]

Explain to me how aborting is not mrudering.

How is killing a baby and some highschool student any different?
It`s a life that hasn`t fully developed. Teenagers have a better understanding of life obviously, but the world is still new to them just like a baby.

I`m assuming the example of a teenager would be too random for you so I will list another one.

If I were to pick up a small baby and stabbed it to death you would consider it murder, right?
Even though the babey has no knowledge of the outside world and is completly clueless to all that goes on around it.
Now, we come to killing a baby inside the womb. Same exact thing. No knowledge of the world outside of it but the babey is still conscious.

If you were to watch a baby suffer from abortion, you would have a different opinion towards it.

And BTW, it IS illegal in some states and I believe it should be illegal in every one.

[Sasquatch]

Don't forget that killing a baby is murder when it's not the mother's choice, too. The murder of a pregnant woman is considered a double-homicide, and the murderer is punished for both crimes. Even an assault or accident in which the unborn baby is killed but the mother is not can be considered murder, manslaughter, or homicide.

But not when the mother has it done "professionally".

So, what this means is that society puts the decision of "is this a life or not" into the hands of a young woman who doesn't want the "burden" of carrying a child.

This is why many people refer to abortion as "murder-for-hire". Because that's exactly what it is.

Even if a child was mentally disabled or physically handicapped and needed constant attention and care -- much moreso than an unborn baby does -- killing him or her would still be considered murder.

Originally Posted by TomStrife

If not murdering, you are preventing a life which is just as horrid.

I really dont believe that a Foetus is alive. It is still just cells with no real sense. The termination of that foetus is NOTHING compared to killing a teenager and quite frankly the comparison is ludicrous. Abortion saves the parents the heartache of struggling to cope for a child that they really can't handle or having to give them up to a complete stranger.

[TomStrife]

Perhaps you are not paying attention to what you quote, my friend.
By killing off the fotus, you are preventing a life and yo uare KILLING what is becoming a child.

Abortion saves nothing. The life of a child is a lot more important than you think.

And don`t tell me that you are preventing a life by choosing not to have sex. That`s one of the most wise guy remarks someone could say.

I do not believe that we have the right to choose whether fetuses live or not. There was a reason that this life began, and it is not for us to decide to destroy it. All life is precious, no matter how small.

[Testbug]

Abortion is strange thing. You defend it but same time you agree with that. To abortion you sholud have good reasons. You're too young, you're too old old or you have some money problems. With those explanation it's acceptable. But if you just don't want birth baby, that isn't. I know that many peoples thinkk that abortion is inhibition way but it isn't. Condom and e-pills is but not abortion.

[OnOneRyder]

Over populated?! How comical.

It is a proven fact that everyone in the world can stand beside together and only take up one town in Florida. Please, the world isn`t even 1/100 full. All that "over populated" crap is just an excuse.

The size of a human makes no difference to population. It's about the amount of resources that we consume that matter and yes we are in fact overpopulated in relation to the amount of resources we use up. The ideal population to sustain a healthy planet while still taking advantage of it's non renewable resoures is only 500million-1billion people. This may not be realistic but it is the ideal and our planet IS overpopulated.

Now onto to abortion. Despite what many people think about me, I am 100% on the side of the Christians. I believe abortion is in fact a form of murder and goes against everything I stand for. Not only is it taking the easy way out, but it also hell on a lot of fathers to be. One of my close friends was in a long term relationship with a girl and while in her second to last year she became pregnant and decided to have an abortion. As a father his feelings were completely thrown out and he had to sit back and watch his child be murdered. This is completely unacceptable in this day and age where you can literally leave a child at a hospital with no notice and not be charged with any offenses. There is simply no good reason to not give a child a chance at life.

[Sasquatch]

...Wow. Didn't expect that out of you.

Originally Posted by OnOneRyder

Not only is it taking the easy way out, but it also hell on a lot of fathers to be. One of my close friends was in a long term relationship with a girl and while in her second to last year she became pregnant and decided to have an abortion. As a father his feelings were completely thrown out and he had to sit back and watch his child be murdered.

This is another main Pro-Life point. As it stands now, fathers have absolutely no say in the life of their child. Another product of the feminist movement, a woman's "reproductive rights" are completely seperate from those of her partner. There have been countless situations in which the father wishes to keep the baby, but can't stop the mother from murdering it in the womb. I definitely wouldn't be satisfied with just granting the father the right to keep his child, but it's a step in the right direction.

[OnOneRyder]

Yeah, fathers are completely walked over. Her reasoning for it was horrible too, she didn't want to have it for the simple fact that the sickness would interfere with her schooling. He has a stable job with a construction company and made $60k+ a year and due to his gf not wanting to experience pain he had his child slaughtered with the government's approval.

I'm not extreme enough to bomb a clinic where abortions take place but I have taken part in protests at their locations and I consider those who have them done to be as innocent as someone who watches a murder and says nothing for fear of being hurt themselves.

...Wow. Didn't expect that out of you.

I told you I have morals!

[Arkaine]

Well as usual, my posts in this forum will be long winded, so bear that in mind before continuing. But by all means please continue cause you just might learn something.

Abortion, this has been a major issue in not only our nation but many nations worldwide since before we even became a nation. Do I agree with it. In most cases, NO. Abortion is just one of the symptoms of the greater disease that strikes this county: apathy, unthoughtfulness, and the lack of people taking responsibility for their own actions. It has been said many times, many ways. If you wanna play, you gotta pay. There are way too many people, both young and old, that take little or no responsibility for the choices they make, and unfortunately that sometimes affects a new life which can't speak for itself.

If you want to prevent and unwanted pregnancy, find an effective form of birth control. There are many out there that are 99% effective, from pills to shots to IUD's to male and female condoms. When in doubt to your verility or fertility, use more than one. A condom and birth control, and maybe a spermicide for safe measure. But don't create a life in during your gratification just to unilaterally and selfishly decide to snuff it out because it would be and inconvenience for you. You should have thought about that before proceeding irresponsibly.

Of course the most effective form of what is misnomered birth control, because it doesn't prevent birth, it prevents pregnancy, is abstinence. Now I'm not some old prude. I've just as healthy if not a healthier drive than most and I'm not some bible thumper that says, abstinence til marriage. I'm all for free love as long as you are responsible about it.

Abortion is murder, there are no two ways about it. You are willingly and voluntarily ending a human life, no matter which way you slice it. Now by getting an abortion you are not technically commiting the murder, the physician is. But you are essentially an accessory to pre-meditated murder. Think about that the next time you are thinking about entering into unprotected...well..ya know. If you don't want to have a child and plan to abort, you are planning to be an accessory to Murder in the first. If the courts of this nation prosecuted for this, abortion would no longer be an issue.

But the legal ramifications are not the issue and that is why this issue is so clouded in this country. The issue is that killing is wrong, and not taking responsibility for the choices you make is wrong, it sets a bad precedent for your future decision making.

There are only two instances where I believe that abortion should be considered an option. The first is if carrying the baby seriously jeapordizes the continued health and/or life of the mother. However with medical technology nowadays, this is a rather infrequent occurence. The second, and some would disagree with me on this, is the case of rape. This goes back to the continued well being of the mother, only more in a mental and emotional sense than in a medical sense. I could not imagine being raped and then spending 9-10 months carrying the child of my attacker in my body. Now if the woman is strong enough to carry and then give up for adoption, then that is all the better. But if it would be too traumatic to the mother to carry then abortion could be considered. It's still not right, but it is the lesser of two evils and we make these decisions in medicine every day. Do we cut off grandad's life support or let him live for 2 weeks as a veggie. Do we separate these conjoined twins when one may die in order to give the other a 35% greater chance at a mostly healthy life? These are the tough calls we make every day.

In conclusion, in most cases abortion is wrong. It is murder, it is apathy at it's worst, and it is a result of some of the worse sides of the human personality, and the worst traits that we as American's have come to possess. Unless it is an issue of someone else's health, physical or mental, it is wrong, plain and simple. Now many may disagree on the issue of abortion, but no one can disagree that abortion stems from people failing to take responsibility for themselves and that is the root of the problem.

Til next time, think on this, form your own opinion please, that's what opinions are all about. But in this instance I strongly believe that mine is the correct opinion.

Laters,
Ark

[hellbred]

Originally Posted by Sasquatch

Don't forget that killing a baby is murder when it's not the mother's choice, too. The murder of a pregnant woman is considered a double-homicide, and the murderer is punished for both crimes. Even an assault or accident in which the unborn baby is killed but the mother is not can be considered murder, manslaughter, or homicide.

But not when the mother has it done "professionally".

So, what this means is that society puts the decision of "is this a life or not" into the hands of a young woman who doesn't want the "burden" of carrying a child.

This is why many people refer to abortion as "murder-for-hire". Because that's exactly what it is.

Even if a child was mentally disabled or physically handicapped and needed constant attention and car