Abortion: Do you Agree or Not?

Gonna make this one short and sweet. Abortion in my opinion is an ok option in certain circumstances. If you are raped go ahead and have the abortion, or other bad situations... BUT i don not believe that you should be like... well lets have sex and if I get pregnant then, I'll just get an abortion... I dont think it should be used as a type of contraceptive. If you wanna have sex have birth control or protection or whatever... And if you dont then be ready to have a child.

[hellbred]

Originally Posted by Camas28

Gonna make this one short and sweet. Abortion in my opinion is an ok option in certain circumstances. If you are raped go ahead and have the abortion, or other bad situations... BUT i don not believe that you should be like... well lets have sex and if I get pregnant then, I'll just get an abortion... I dont think it should be used as a type of contraceptive. If you wanna have sex have birth control or protection or whatever... And if you dont then be ready to have a child.

So a child which is conceived doesn't have the right to live because the mother was raped?

I dont believe that a group of cells can really be called a child. I believe it is a child once a fetus forms and you can make out a child. At the point when its just some cells I just dont think that if your raped you should have to carry the child if you dont want to.

[hellbred]

Brainwaves and heartbeat can be detected almost 3-6 weeks after conception. You don't call that a living thing?

And even if the woman were to be raped, there are thousands of couples who can't have babies who would love to take care of a child. A mother who can carry a baby being raped, and give it up for adoption has a lot of respect in my book.

Edit:
Regardless of what you hold to be the definition of a child, the result of the unborn baby eventually becomes a child. Abortion is always resulting in a loss of life.

Do you think its fair for a teenage girl to carry a child when she is raped?

[hellbred]

Nope it's not fair at all.

Life isn't fair, we all know this. But it's not up to man to determine when life begins and ends. The child has a right to be born whether the mom wants to carry it or not.

As I stated earlier, my ex-girlfriend is an amazing girl -- also adopted, by far one of those highest influences in my life.... her mother could have aborted her, but she didn't, because Laura had a right to live because she was concieved.

It would be hard for a mom to carry a baby due to a rape, not denying that. But aborting the baby on this fact alone is still wrong. The baby could grow up to have a wonderful life.

Life isn't just thrown away because it's an inconvenience for the girl to carry the baby for 9 months. Boo f*ckin hoo....the life inside of her could be adopted by a loving family.

well I think Im gonna have to give up on this one I cant really disprove what your saying... No hard feelings?

[hellbred]

No hard feelings, but this is a debate which has been going on between people since the first abortion, so don't worry.

whew... good thing the last thing i need is to start making people unhappy

[hellbred]

Off-topic, but just FYI. The Intellectual Discussion forum is a place for debate, inwhich hard facts and strong personal opinion come into play. Nobody should get mad at you because of this, it's all perspective and discussion, not an arguement.

Guess that just goes to show that im not quite sure about everything as of yet

[Deicide]

To throw in with the current line of debate;

Its true that the child is an innocent in such a situation, it did not ask to be conceived in such a way and its life it still as valuble as any other. However many feel that women who are the victims of rape should be allowed to abort due to the chances of mental problems down the line as well as the pain endured by carrying the 'product' of such a violent event in there lives. I beleive a women who was raped should have the option of an abortion but I do not beleive it is always the right thing for said woman to do and, if at all possible, it would be nice to see such children carried to term. However, at the end of the day, I would not feel.. Comfortable forceing the associated mental suffering on a pregnant mother by denying them the option of abortion either. In my opinion it should fall in the mothers hands as to what she will do, and any partner she has at the time, because it will be there lives that are affected and there world that might well come crumbling down. And before its mentioned, yes, I am quite aware with the depression associated with post-abortion (sorry if that is not the correct terminology) mothers, all I can say is that anyone faced with this choice should be made aware of all possible consiquences and options includeing fostering or adoption and the various chances and levels of mental problems that may develop down the line. It is there life, there risk and, ultimatly, should be there choice.

Generally speaking I am against abortion, especially when used as a kind of contraceptive, a get out clause for that growing number of women who cannot seem to say 'no' or comprehend the advent of codoms. I tend to make exceptions for those whos pregnancy was not a volunary affair, as explained above and also for mothers whos lives and/or childs life are put at risk by complications in the pregnancy. If its a choice of loosing the mother and the child or just the child, cold as it may sound, I would likely say the lesser loss of life is also the lesser evil. That said I think this should also be up to the mothers descretion, my mother was told to abort my half-brother because shes a diabetic and misscarriage was greatly feared as well as the possibility of her own death, she knew all of this - she used to be a nurse - but continued the pregnecy regardless and, though I have only met him once, I'm glad my half-brother is alive and well today because of her choices. This, like rape, is a very complicated issue that, as with the other, I would much rather leave it in the hands of a well informed and educated indivudual and, most importantly, those to whom it stands to have the greatest impact. I would not see a women told she must die so her child can live or forced to kill her child so she herself will survive.

Abortion is not a 'get out' clause for volunatry 'mistakes', it is not a right to legally murder and for it to be used as such is.. Distressing to me as a woman and as a person who was once a 'ball of cells'. However, no matter how ugly and distasteful the medicine it can still have it uses, it can save lifes and it can help people avoid the consiquences and some of the suffering caused by anothers choice to violate them.

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[Storm]

Originally Posted by hellbred

Brainwaves and heartbeat can be detected almost 3-6 weeks after conception. You don't call that a living thing?

A heartbeat and brainwaves? Before a heart or brain is formed? I think movement is detected via mitosis of the clump of cells, not an actual heartbeat or brainwaves. Yes it is still a living thing, but so are skin cells that fall of our bodies everyday. When we tear off flesh via falling, we loose living cells.

Originally Posted by hellbred

Regardless of what you hold to be the definition of a child, the result of the unborn baby eventually becomes a child. Abortion is always resulting in a loss of life.

I believe what you are saying here. It is still a loss of life, but in my opinion, sometimes it can be for the best, as I have previously stated. Of course abortion for no reason is a lot more of a worse thing to do, and i dont exactly believe that that is the right thing to do. Especially when people have unprotected sex and end up forming a baby, it is their fault. Of course contraception sometimes fails, but i say that if it will be hard to bring up a child in the living conditions, and the mother does not want to face child birth, it may be a better choice. If they do decide to keep the child, this is even better.

Originally Posted by hellbred

Nope it's not fair at all.

Life isn't fair, we all know this. But it's not up to man to determine when life begins and ends. The child has a right to be born whether the mom wants to carry it or not.

As I stated earlier, my ex-girlfriend is an amazing girl -- also adopted, by far one of those highest influences in my life.... her mother could have aborted her, but she didn't, because Laura had a right to live because she was concieved.

It would be hard for a mom to carry a baby due to a rape, not denying that. But aborting the baby on this fact alone is still wrong. The baby could grow up to have a wonderful life.

Life isn't just thrown away because it's an inconvenience for the girl to carry the baby for 9 months. Boo f*ckin hoo....the life inside of her could be adopted by a loving family.

That is a really nice story. It is nice when people do choose not to abort, and put the child up for adoption. It is a better solution to the problem. Whether parents do this, though, the mother has to be emotionally strong enough to go through this. People who do this, fair play on them. They are strong people. If the mother feels comfertable by doing this, it is a better option than abortion.

This whole topic also takes up the subject of therapuetic cloning, which I have posted a thread on previously. here.

Just think, if abortion was illegal, due to the increase in unwanted pregnancy today we would have an extreme amount of children with parents who just cannot cope with a child at their current stage in their lives. The world will become over-populated over a shorter time period than it already is. Abortion really is ok if the parents cannot offer the child a decent life such as one in a home etc.

[TomStrife]

Originally Posted by Pie Man 360

Just think, if abortion was illegal, due to the increase in unwanted pregnancy today we would have an extreme amount of children with parents who just cannot cope with a child at their current stage in their lives. The world will become over-populated over a shorter time period than it already is. Abortion really is ok if the parents cannot offer the child a decent life such as one in a home etc.

Over populated?! How comical.

It is a proven fact that everyone in the world can stand beside together and only take up one town in Florida. Please, the world isn`t even 1/100 full. All that "over populated" crap is just an excuse.

When you abort, you murder whether you think you have the right to or not or even if you think the baby is alive or not. i don`t care if the baby isn`t developed enough to live.

If not murdering, you are preventing a life which is just as horrid.