Abortion: Do you Agree or Not?

[Sasquatch]

Originally Posted by cheesevixen

Any kind of contraceptive can be seen as that, but those seem to more acceptable in our society that killing the thing on the monitor...either or.

Birth control pills usually work by simply not letting the (fertilized) egg attach to the inner walls of the uterus. A fertilized egg being passed as a normal egg is NOT the same as a growing baby being flushed out.

Originally Posted by Jintatsu

It's quite ignorant to say that every abortion case involves only people that didn't care about protection during sex and now don't want to live with the consequences.

It's quite ignorant to deny that that's usually the situation.

Abortion, in my humble opinion, has to be taken on a case to case bases. After all, how can you say no if you don't know the reason why?

How could you ever say yes to the murder of an innocent child? There is no justifiable "reason" for abortion -- apart from, like I said, a threat to the mother's life.

Originally Posted by hellbred

I've heard on the radio talkshows that of post-abortion women somewhere in the 90 percentile regret it, and another 45-50% become suicidal. Kind of sad.

I don't know the exact numbers, but that seems about right. There's an exponential increase in the probabilities for PPD, and even if it's not that extreme, the vast majority of mothers who "abort" their children end up realizing that they have a heavy burden to carry.

Originally Posted by .EcKS.

BUT, some things have to be taken into consideration, mental well being of the parent/s. sometimes ones not ready to have a child, this can cause lots of stress on the mother. Stress is not good on the mother and may cause a miscarriage.

You put the "mental well being of the parent/s" above the life of the child? True, stress is not good on the mother. But murder is even worse on the baby. All the mother has to do is carry the child to full term, not raise it.

mistakes! yes accidents do happen, a condom can break, or even not work, birth control could fail.

Condoms break? Not work? Extremely rare. Birth control fails? Extremely rare as well. Birth control and condoms failing is, obviously, even moreso extremely rare.

Here is a list of pregnancy rates in relation to specific methods of contraception. Hell, pulling out will reduce the risk of pregnancy to 4% in a year.

I'm definitely pro-life. It isn't a belief of religion or education or economics or opinions in politics, it's life -- disagree with me all you like, but that doesn't mean I should let you murder your baby.

Originally Posted by Sasquatch

Birth control pills usually work by simply not letting the (fertilized) egg attach to the inner walls of the uterus. A fertilized egg being passed as a normal egg is NOT the same as a growing baby being flushed out.

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Okay I agree with you on that, but in many places a fetus is not a human either.....so then what would the perspective be on the people that view the death of a fetus as okay, but still claim contraceptives are better? I understand it prevents a baby from forming, but isn't that why a lot of people think abortion is wrong...The prevention of a child being born.It is not the science that becomes the conflict....it is a matter of wether or not you give a baby a "chance" to live( in my opinion).

[Sasquatch]

Originally Posted by cheesevixen

Okay I agree with you on that, but in many places a fetus is not a human either.....so then what would the perspective be on the people that view the death of a fetus as okay, but still claim contraceptives are better? I understand it prevents a baby from forming, but isn't that why a lot of people think abortion is wrong...The prevention of a child being born.It is not the science that becomes the conflict....it is a matter of wether or not you give a baby a "chance" to live( in my opinion).

A main issue is that birth control prevents the child from even beginning to form -- I don't know if it does or not, but I don't think that it starts dividing before it attaches. Contraceptives prevent fertilization or the attachment of the egg to the wall, while abortion deals with a baby that's already forming, and that's the main issue. I disagree with the Catholic belief that all contraceptives are wrong, but there is a difference between a fertilized egg and a forming child.

EDIT: For the record, I really don't disagree too much with the "Emergency Contraceptive" pill, or the "Morning After Pill", because it works before the egg starts really dividing and growing. Of course, I'd like to see people be more responsible and use other, more consistent and reliable types of contraceptives -- like abstinence, in an ideal situation -- but I know sometimes that's not the most realistic option.

[LocoColt04]

Originally Posted by Sasquatch

Birth control and condoms failing is, obviously, even moreso extremely rare.

But it DOES happen.

I've got a friend who was told by her doctors that she could never get pregant because of some terminology which I've now forgotten. Despite this, she also used birth control to keep her periods regular. When she was persuaded into having sexual intercourse with her ex-boyfriend (who used a condom), she thought nothing of it aside from depression from the near-rape.

Turns out she got pregnant.

Pregnant while it being "physically impossible," on top of birth control and a condom that DIDN'T fail. What are the chances? Not very high AT ALL whatsoever.

Of course, then she debated with the thought of abortion for a while, and when she decided to have the baby, she miscarried few weeks later... it was really horrible, but of course, none of this is really my position to say. Point being? It DOES happen. And always under the most unlikely of circumstances.

[Plastik Assassin]

Originally Posted by LocoColt04

To me, that's my opinion regardless of whether it was rape, voluntary, or whatever.

PERSONALLY, I think abortion is wrong and would never support it. If someone came to me asking my opinion, I would certainly advise her to go through with the pregnancy, and attempt to raise the child (or at least give it up for adoption).

POLITICALLY, I am pro-choice, because I also feel that I have no right to tell someone what he or she can and cannot do when it's not an illegal act.

You kind of took the words out of my mouth Loco. I am basically a pro-choicer due to political reasons. I am in no place to discriminate others based on their own personal religious or political beliefs. Everyone is entitled to their own feelings and I would never take that away from them. I live in Minnesota where abortion is legal, so more power to those people that choose to commit a legal act. Hell, some people don't like the fact I smoke, but thats my right....

[Chez Daja]

Agreed... One of these posts was talking about disagreement with protection.

I'm not against protection at all. Blah. I'd hate to have a child almost everytime my man and me had sex. It's only nature, and I think if it stops an unwanted pregnancy, or a pregnancy that could lead to a child being killed or born and abused, then, yeah, go for it... Meh.

Then again though, I still stick to my first post in the topic.

And yeah, don't talk to me about miscarriages. My mothers' had three miscarriages and so has a close family friend.

[Leroy]

What the hell?

There's nothing wrong with abortion. It's entirely up to the mother whether or not she wants to bring the child into this world. Sure she could like send the kid to an orphanage if she doesn't wanna raise it, but she'd still have to go through giving birth. If the lady doesn't want to have the baby, then it's her say.

[.:Anima:.]

Well i certain circumstance i agree with Abortion (eg Rape) but on others i dont, i think that the mother and father(or just mother if the father is missing) should get to decide

[Chez Daja]

Pro-choice. Like Loco said. I'm the same as him, although, in my personal opinion, I could never do it.

I can't and won't decide for other women.


Just want to clear that shiznit up.

[Sharzademar]

"Thou shall not kill". That is my stance. Maybe some of you unmarried couples should wait before you have sex. And for the Married couples, If you don't want a baby, maybe consider adopting. There is life in a fetus, and if it has a nervous system, it can feel pain. In my opinion, abortion is like saying, "I accidentally had a baby, or i wanted a baby but reconsidered halfway through, so i won't even see to it that my baby get's some kind of a life, i'll just kill it.

The nervous system of a fetus is only forming at the begining, their is no real proof a baby can really feel pain, and in Cal. if you are at a stage to where the baby has it's nervous system completed than they refuse to give an abortion. But there have been a few studies that have been conducted to where they took a needle an a noticed that the fetus moved away from it. Even though there was no pain there was an obvious wanting to live. I think people should see what they do to some of these baby's. Not to freak anyone, but my mother showed me this. There was a site an it showed what happens to baby's after they are aborted. There were pictures of chopped up baby's in a medical bag. It was so sad. Not to mention that people have to relalize that when they abort your baby....they have to kill it while it is still inside you first. Meaning they have to chop it up inorder for it not to be considered murder. I have seen the pictures of little "still forming" hands that had been,an it just breaks your heart. Even though it is a choice....their has to be some responsibility to knowledge first.

[Chez Daja]

Originally Posted by Deoxys is awesome

"Thou shall not kill". That is my stance. Maybe some of you unmarried couples should wait before you have sex. And for the Married couples, If you don't want a baby, maybe consider adopting. There is life in a fetus, and if it has a nervous system, it can feel pain. In my opinion, abortion is like saying, "I accidentally had a baby, or i wanted a baby but reconsidered halfway through, so i won't even see to it that my baby get's some kind of a life, i'll just kill it.

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What.the.****.

Go and masturbate.

Come back, and tell me how it feels. Good, right? What the hell are you on about? "Some of you unmarried couples should wait before you have sex" ... are you a nun? Dude. Couples want to ****. It's natural. Me? I'm unmarried. I have a boyfriend. I want to **** him. Am I going to wait til I'm married? Hell no. Consider adoption for married couples?

Are you shitting me, kid? Seriously. Wait, wait, this is hilarious, I gotta quote it again.

Originally Posted by Weird person with confusing name

Married couples, If you don't want a baby, maybe consider adopting.

What the...? Why the hell would couples who don't want a baby adopt?

Do you mean "if you don't want to have sex" ?

Dude, there are not many people out there who don't want to have sex. Sex will do people some good before they go ahead and face the birth of a kid.

No offence, but meh, that was a weird post.

Yes, I disagree with abortion.
No, I don't make choice for others.

Yes, I agree with protection.
No, I won't make others agree with it.

But seriously... No sex? I'd rather like... die. Yeah.

[TomStrife]

Originally Posted by Chez Daja

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What.the.****.

Go and masturbate.

Come back, and tell me how it feels. Good, right? What the hell are you on about? "Some of you unmarried couples should wait before you have sex" ... are you a nun? Dude. Couples want to ****. It's natural. Me? I'm unmarried. I have a boyfriend. I want to **** him. Am I going to wait til I'm married? Hell no. Consider adoption for married couples?

Of course you WANT to have sex but sex is made as a tool for those who are married by God. If I were to "do" some girl that I am dating and then we break up then I am "Doing" someone else`s future wife.

Christians stance are