What is up with this?

*Chez Daja* · 03-24-2006, 02:19 PM

It's true, very true. I used to suffer from a depression problem.

Now, I began to remember an issue I had been confronted with a while ago now.

A lot of people, who abuse drugs, often bash suicidal people.

I know that drugs give you a great feeling... But so does cutting. It gives you a great feeling of adrenaline. Now, it's been a while since I actually cut, but I still remember that same feeling.

The problem is, a lot of drug abusers tell me "but suicide kills" ... well so do drugs. Then I hear "but drugs don't always kill you" ... well, neither does attempting suicide. Have you ever stopped to think that the reason people who cut themselves aren't always suicidal? Ever thought that they cut themselves to remove pain from a heavy heart, or to just boost a great feeling of adrenaline?

I'm not saying drug abusers do or don't do it to die, and/or feel an awesome experience, but I'd like to know what you all think.

Do you agree/disagree with suicide? Or drugs? Or both? Lemme know your views on both, and why you may or may not think one is less dangerous then the other.

Euclissence · 03-24-2006, 02:25 PM

I don't agree with suicide, I beleive it to be a waste of a life ahead, no matter how shitty it would be, there are always options. Drugs, on the other hand, I oppose as well, but in certain cases, such as Marijuanna...I did a reseearch on that drug in philosophy, finding it less harmful than cigarettes, taking both in normal conditions and contexes so...I find that a bit oodd.

*Chez Daja* · 03-24-2006, 02:35 PM

Still, if one was to overdose on marijuana, the effects could be extremely harmful. I don't disagree with drugs.

But I'm just saying...a lot of people bash drugs, when suicide has a lot of similar effects.

I think you hold a very strong point about suicide being a waste of time. I do agree with you. But some people get so consumed with upset that they feel forced to it as a way out.

Thanks for your opinion, it's greatly appreciated.

Euclissence · 03-24-2006, 03:56 PM

One, nobody has quite ever overdosed on weed...no recorded, anyways. No recorded case of anyone dying on weed either [not including death related to what they do while under the influence, because if you had to bring up that point I will bring up ALCOHOL].

Cigs, on the other hand, have countless recorded cases.

AND, I also mentioned that no deaths on count of normal context, meaning if overdose on weed was even possible, my research stated excluded that case when stating it was less harmful.

OnOneRyder · 03-24-2006, 05:25 PM

I can't remember where I heard it but it's a good quote. "Suicide is a long term solution to a short term problem". I do not agree with suicide at all, it's selfish and most people end up being glad they didn't do it in the end.

Drugs I don't feel are on the same page, you can do drugs with people and still see them again. Suicide is intentional, od'ing is not.

Jin · 03-24-2006, 08:29 PM

Well, sometimes ODing and suicide can combine to be one.

Suicide: Personally, I find it to be the cowards way out. However, it isn't my life, nor is it my place to tell you that you must take the hard path. I heard a wonderful quote once (not to copy OnOneRyder): You could kill yourself, if you want to escape that way. Your death won't change anything, but if you're alive there are things that you can change. That was paraphrased a bit, but it's very close. And that's pretty much my feeling on the subject.

Drugs: I'm not a fan of them either, and that includes alcohol. But, as with everything in life, moderation is the key. Another quote: Consume wine, don't let the wine consume you. Again, it's your choice though, if you choose to escape that way, then who am I to stand in your way?

Now, that isn't to say that I'd just sit there while someone I cared about is killing themselves or is addicted to crack, hell no. Just as they're thinking of themselves first in that situation, I as well would think of myself first and how much I want them to stay in my lives. In the end, it's a battle of wills and persuasion.

relm · 03-25-2006, 02:27 AM

Suicide is a very selfish thing to do because
you are affecting not only yourself, but you have
to put into account all those that care for you, and
how much they would be affected once you're gone.
You have to realize that there are prolly a lot of ppl
that would help you with your problems. Don't just
give up on everything.
I think drugs kinda help people get to suicide...
>_>
Drinking? I agree with Jintatsu: Moderation is the key.

*Chez Daja* · 03-25-2006, 04:41 AM

The majority of people who are suicidal, often prepare notes. To ensure somewhat of a "closure" factor for those whom care about them.

A lot of people who cut themselves for a non-suicidal reason, often do it to relieve pain, stress, guilt, fear and other feelings. But many often find that the need for the adrenaline kick becomes stronger, and makes them feel the need to cut deeper and/or more severely. And its hard to stop.

Suicide is selfish... but some lose all hope.

Sasquatch · 03-25-2006, 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chez Daja

The majority of people who are suicidal, often prepare notes. To ensure somewhat of a "closure" factor for those whom care about them.

Actually, that's not true. The majority of suicides don't have suicide notes. I used to think the same thing, until I learned differently. I don't know why, but I'm sure the idea that they think nobody cares about them anyway has a lot to do with it. Why write a note when you think nobody will care that you're gone?

I have kind of the same stance on suicide and drugs (I mean drugs, not alcohol, though alcohol does get to be a serious abuse problem, too). Both, in my eyes, are weak, selfish, and cowardly. OnOneRyder was right when he said "suicide is a long-term solution to a short-term problem". In most cases, the life of a suicidal person isn't any harder than the life of anybody else, and instead of working through their problems, they take the "easy way out". As for drugs, that's even worse -- frankly, I would rather have somebody commit suicide than become a drug addict. At least suicide makes some problems go away, whereas drug abuse just causes more and more. Suicidal people don't become a drain on society, a danger to others (70% of the crime in America is drug-related), or leeches off the taxpayers.

The main difference I see is that suicidal people need counseling and therapy, whereas drug addicts need some sense knocked into them and rehabilitation.

*Chez Daja* · 03-25-2006, 09:18 AM

I respect that.

Back in my more severe suicidal days, I was helped to snap out of it thanks to my boyfriend and my best friend.

Suicide IS the easy way out. Hell, I feel suicidal when I feel theres nobody there who really cares. I think everyone feels lonely at times... some just take it differently to others.

Euclissence · 03-26-2006, 07:55 PM

Sometimes, people feel suicidal because they dont' feel cared for, and they think suicide will finally make people care...you know, the whoe theory of "you don't miss something until you lose it?"

Well, suicidal people...I've known many, helped many, and occasionaly think about the reasons of suicide, and I find that reason to be most common...

They don't want to fake it, because they would feel it won't be convincing enough...so they do it so that the people they want to care abotu can feel the feeling of 'missing something important'.

Storm · 03-28-2006, 10:06 AM

My dad actually suffers from depression. He was on drugs for ages to help him, but he stopped taking them a few years back. It took ages for my mum to try to help him, and he still gets depressed now. He drinks, smokes and takes shrooms to help ease him, which works for him, although when he has a bad trip its like the end of the world. He has a stressful job he hates, groundworks, so if you have a really stressful job it is useful to try to cut it out from your life.

I don't think suicide is a good option for anything, especially as with counselling and stuff you can ease your depression in a more suitable manner that does not upset friends and family.

I can talk to him about it when the time comes for you and give you some advice. ^-^

*Chez Daja* · 03-28-2006, 10:49 AM

Thanks that's a really nice offer.

I don't suffer from it anymore. I'm told the depression I suffer from time to time is normal teenager stuff, although sometimes my past meddles with how I feel these days. I'm told I should get a lot better as I grow up more. It's a nice thought that I'll be okay. I have the people I care about by my side... it's nice.

Edward Elric · 03-28-2006, 08:34 PM

Of course depression is normal in a teenager's everyday life, but there are different severities of it. One person could say depressioin is the feeling after fighting with a friend, or getting a bad grade.

Another person could say depression for them is every day. They could feel that no one loves them, that they have no purpose, and the only way they feel alive is through pain. That's the way some people define their existince. To show that they're alive. Because they can feel pain.

And suicide, I think, is not a coward's way out, but its the choice for people who have no patience. Suicide is almost always a spur of the moment thing, where they feel they can't take it anymore, and just stop. If someone thinks about suicide, if they just wait for 24 hours, at least, they will at least reconsider that choice.

Alcohol and drugs, on the other hand, I can never agree with. People who decide to drink till they throw up or kill their liver are cowards. They can't deal with the problem, but they're also scared of death, so they make themselves forget about the problem. They have a good time partying, but the next day, their problem is back again, so they drink so more.

Drugs can be used for release, if not in excess. As long as your smart with how you use them(as smart as someone doing drugs can be), I have no problem. If I have a friend who says he does pot, but always makes sure to hide his car keys and any kind of dangerous object, well, I could care less about it. At least no one will be physically harmed.

hellbred · 03-28-2006, 08:52 PM

I don't know why people say depression is a 'normal thing'. It's not. A lot of people get cancer, but it's not 'normal'. I don't know what causes depression, I'm sure there's the obvious acute happenings in one's life that prompts them to become sad and depressed, and then never arise out of it but as far as a deeper reasoning I don't know why people fall into depression. I've never felt it accept periodically for events that happen within a recent time frame.

Suicide is a weak escape to me, and I don't think all 'cutters' are suicidal but I don't believe in either. Some stupid teens do it for attention, while others I'm assuming from Chez's post do it for a release.

I personally never did drugs for a 'release'. I've drank myself to the point of retardness so I could forget about things, but doing drugs from the age of 13-19 were merely because they felt good, they were fun, and there was nothing else to do. I never had some deep, dark secret for doing drugs. No broken home, wasn't poor, went to school, had wealthy family and friends. I had only the reason of wanting to feel good.

Sure, there are times when I w