Freedom of Religion

[Taco]

Originally Posted by TomStrife

Catholics are not Christian.

...yes we are...

Originally Posted by TomStrife

-Catholics believe that you need to do all these things to get to Heaven.
One of those things being you must do good works.

No we don't...

Originally Posted by TomStrife

-Catholics believe the Pope is a perfect messenger of God that cannot do anything wrong.

I don't think we believe that either. I think we believe he is a very strong spiritual leader, but not that he is "perfect." Only Jesus was perfect.

Originally Posted by TomStrife

Funny, I`d assume if he was God`s perfect messenger, he would have lived a tad bit longer..

Uh, yeah... he was an old man when he died, who had survived an assassination attempt some 20 years earlier... Seems to me he survived well enough. Although if you're talking about Pope Benedict, and not John Paul, I'm pretty sure he's still alive.

Originally Posted by TomStrife

Lastly, I would just like to make it clear there are no divisions of Christianity.

Christians are of their own religion (being mine).

Oh, I see. You're right, and everyone else is wrong. Your church is the only "true" one. Or do you combine the Puritans, the Quakers, the Baptists, the Presbiterians, the Anglicans, etc?

Originally Posted by Tomstrife

2) We believe Mary should be worshipped AMOUNG women not ABOVE women

We don't worship Mary.

Originally Posted by Chez

For example, she insists on wearing a cross if she ventures into a church.

Huh. I've never known anyone to do that. Must be old school, or something.

Anyhoo... carry on.

Wuv, Yer Mom

[Chez Daja]

Originally Posted by Fishy Del

Huh. I've never known anyone to do that. Must be old school, or something.

Yeah, might be... She -is- in her late 40's.

I remember one time, she was going to a church and couldn't find her cross because she'd taken it off for a night. (She never usually does)... Man, she freaked out. And was all "quickly!! Find my corss, I can't go to church without it!"

However, she doesn't go to church on Sundays. Wonder why.

[Angantyr]

Personally I see Christianity as a tool designed a long time ago using stories from other Religions (I will add pagan's into it for this specific topic) such as the burning tree, Jesus=Baldr (Or Odin, not to sure to be exact), apocalypse=Ragnarök, and I am sure it fits into other various belief systems. But any, before the Christians came a long nobody feared death, then they told them about hell (Not to be confused with Hel) so henceforth people would do exactly what the bible told them.

So as we go down hundreds of years we see this religion accepted by the masses of humanity. The Christians believe that everybody should be a Christians, and those that worship other gods are evil and Satanic, in fact the concept of Satanism was loosely based on Paganism, ie burn the witch! So to them it is not only a sin, but also a crime to follow any non-christian religions doctrine.

Anyway there are a few reasons I personally, disapprove of Christianity more than any other religion. First is being my cultural identity, I am part Irish, I have freckles, and I wouldn't be surprised if my ancient ancestors were druids. To become a fully fledge Druid it took 20+ years! And this provided us with the foundations for education! But unfortunately they became Christians and rather than working to gain worldly knowledge, they went out to spread the gospel! At that time their fighting spirit was also lost and they often got desecrated by the Vikings and the English! Had this not happened who knows what us Irish would of lead to!

If you watch or read anything about the other Religions you will also find they do not find the need to criticize and attack, in fact I am sure some of them believe their gods co-exist in their own "Heavens". Watch the 13th Warrior, the Vikings call to Odin when looking for new land whilst at the same time 1 of the guys is talking to him about Allah! And at the end the Arab hails Odin! And this is based on texts that they found.

Oh and as far as I know, Nazi's had their own for of an Occult but at the same time some of them were christians. I think Christian identity is beyond a joke. And if you think all Religions should be free to follow then what do you think about man made religions like Bob Saget'ists and Rahowa? I guess it depends on how you actually define "religion".

nearly every religion involves some sort of apocalyptic event and good/bad afterlife.

[Sasquatch]

Originally Posted by Wintermetal

So as we go down hundreds of years we see this religion accepted by the masses of humanity. The Christians believe that everybody should be a Christians, and those that worship other gods are evil and Satanic

Where the hell did you get this from? Christians don't believe that non-Christians are "evil and Satanic". It this type of complete ignorance that breeds more arrogant hatred for Christianity.

So to them it is not only a sin, but also a crime to follow any non-christian religions doctrine.

Again, you're pulling this out of thin air. Is it a sin to not follow the Bible? It doesn't matter, because those of us that do try to follow the Bible will never be without sin anyway. Christians are as much sinners as non-Christians are. The only difference is that Christians have been forgiven for their sins. As for it being a crime, now you're just making things up. Some extreme stuff was done a few hundred years ago in the name of Christianity, but nothing anywhere near that extent lately.

Anyway there are a few reasons I personally, disapprove of Christianity more than any other religion. First is being my cultural identity, I am part Irish, I have freckles, and I wouldn't be surprised if my ancient ancestors were druids. To become a fully fledge Druid it took 20+ years! And this provided us with the foundations for education! But unfortunately they became Christians and rather than working to gain worldly knowledge, they went out to spread the gospel! At that time their fighting spirit was also lost and they often got desecrated by the Vikings and the English! Had this not happened who knows what us Irish would of lead to!

Oh noes! Hundreds of years ago, your "ancestors" became peaceful, and it ruined them! How dare they not be barbarians! How dare they turn away from their religion and join one that accepts all on equal ground, despite history of behavior!

Watch the 13th Warrior, the Vikings call to Odin when looking for new land whilst at the same time 1 of the guys is talking to him about Allah! And at the end the Arab hails Odin! And this is based on texts that they found.

The 13th Warrior was based on The People Eaters, which was based on Beowulf. A book-to-book-to-movie isn't the best source for debate material, especially when you don't know where the movie came from.

[Angantyr]

So? Equal ground? Yeah that explains why next to 0 knowledge of druidism is left! They weren't barbarians, they had influence from the vikings but thats about.

Explain to me how every religion (same as before) is on fair ground! Then why the hell are most Europeans more interested in a religion that wasn't created by their ancestors, merely molded from another race! Equal ground... if we were on equal ground then there would be a lot more people following their traditional beliefs! Not some alien religion! The druids were the peaceful people! And what the hell is wrong with saying it came from a book? Guess what that proves? There is lies in every movie, and you know who makes these movies? The same people that you worship!

You don't believe its a sin to follow a non-christian gods? Hell I am not even a christian myself and I know you are wrong! "Thou shalt have no other gods"

[Sasquatch]

Originally Posted by Wintermetal

Explain to me how every religion (same as before) is on fair ground!

Actually, I didn't say that every religion was on equal ground. I said that all Christians are on equal ground. There is no "I'm a Level 3 Christian, but you're only a Level 1 Christian." Unless, of course, you start getting into clergy and such.

Then why the hell are most Europeans more interested in a religion that wasn't created by their ancestors, merely molded from another race! Equal ground... if we were on equal ground then there would be a lot more people following their traditional beliefs! Not some alien religion!

What does that have to do with anything? If all religions were equal, why wouldn't people choose any other religion? Ireland hasn't had "traditional beliefs" for how many hundreds of years?

The druids were the peaceful people!

You said they lost their "fighting spirit" when they became Christian. If you blame Christianity for the Irish not developing into more of a militaristic society, there's not much I can help you with.

And what the hell is wrong with saying it came from a book? Guess what that proves? There is lies in every movie, and you know who makes these movies? The same people that you worship!

I don't worship anybody that makes movies, thank you very much. I was just pointing out that a movie, made to entertain (and not to inform), that's based off a book that's based off another book, isn't a good source to use in a debate. Saying "This happens in a movie, so it must be true" doesn't help you to be taken seriously.

You don't believe its a sin to follow a non-christian gods? Hell I am not even a christian myself and I know you are wrong! "Thou shalt have no other gods"

I didn't say it wasn't a sin, I said it didn't matter. We're all sinners, whether we worship the Christian God or any other god. The difference is that Christians are forgiven for their sins. Now, please tell me where you get the idea that Christians think it's a crime to be of any religion but Christianity.

[Angantyr]

Obviously you can't read sin=crime! This is like screaming at a wall ....

1) I mean does everybody even know their own mother religion? No, because they are taught by the christians that they are evil.

2) Time isn't the issue, that is what our race was built up upon

3) The Vikings are the vicious ones, the druids were the peaceful, but then the vikings helped build Dublin. I admire both sides of them

4) Movies are severly blurred, I was using that as an example, not an actual fact.

5) First statement, watch a christian act around a pagan, then you will understand.

[Blacksmith]

Alright, I'm not to keen on liking christians all that much, but that's a bit stupid dude. I think most people are here to understand how christians will act around non-christians and people who believe in much different gods or theories. My dad is a christian and he is far from evil, hell he's extremely SO nice that he'd never try to bring you down for what you believe in, though if you challenged his thought he'd kick your ass with wisdom. But anyway, you just seem to be blatantly attacking such religions without any backup debate to your opinions.

Now if you want to get technical there ARE christians and catholics alike that were and are evil or use the word of god in a great abuse. Though there is a lot of those people who judge every damn thing, christianity itself is not evil. Humans make the decisions with the information they have which will lead to their idiocy. Twist one understanding to be another then you'll confuse someone into thinking that it may be bad, or good. But you could say that about anything. Winter, I know you're a BOD brethren but you should really kind of knock it off. Keep it inside our thread and BOD forums.

[Sasquatch]

Originally Posted by Wintermetal

1) I mean does everybody even know their own mother religion? No, because they are taught by the christians that they are evil.

Hahahah. Forgive me if I don't dance around fires and sacrifice animals and people because my ancestors might have. I'm sure the world would be better off if we all went back to our "mother religions", wouldn't it?

[Angantyr]

I didn't say christians are evil, I just stated they don't give anybody a fair chance. The post just above me is a typical example of just how they act towards us. Those beliefs are what guided us to were we are today, do you think you would know everything you know now if you were in their times? Oh and there would be no FF if there wasn't these other religions.