Good game or crappy game?

[Vex]

Sorry to dissapoint you but I am not an idiot, just because I liked X-2 and agreed with someone doesn't mean I'm an idiot.

I read the points and can see he hates the game but what do I care, I still love it!

[darkViVi]

Originally Posted by Palazzo

FFVII had a cliched storyline. X-2's was far more original.

Oh noes! Only three characters! Really!?! Big whoop. Who cares if there's only three characters.
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You think you and DC could come up with some decent reasons why X-2 sucks? Not things like "omg there's lyk only 3 characters looloolool" and "there's lyk no storyline even though there clearly is and it's actually more original than the storyline of my favourite game".

OK Palazzo, exactly WHAT makes a game good?

I liked FFIX and one of the reasons you could have 4 chars fighting the battles, and the main reasons I don't like the game at all would have to be....

All the characters are 3 chicks (and YEAH I have played the game and I know they are hot, but THAT doesn't make the game good or bad)

No SUMMONS for crying out loud, (to me a FF without summons is NOT a FF, I would say the same if SE made a sequel to FF VII without summon materia.
What I like about FF is infact summons, at the start in IX before Garnet could use her summons SHE SUCKED!!! But when I could use them I powered them up as high as I could and she RULED!!!

Apart from that the graphics IS NOT what to expect of SE and the PS2, look at FF VII, VIII, IX the graphic on those games simply was something NEW, FF VII was the first RPG with 3D graphics, FF VIII was the first when it comes to FMV's and polygon graphics, and they made history (in game terms) with those games.
Then they release FF X and that game disappointed me because there wasn't anything "new" in terms of graphics, as for FF X-2, I have seen better (a lot better).

"there's lyk no storyline even"

OK did I say THAT??? NOOO!!!
I say the storyline SUCKS, ok? What is so great about playing 40+ hours with some chicks running around Spira chasing spheres and that "singing" by Yuna maaan FF X atleast had some great music.
The fact that yuna is a singing "idol" just made my mind up qicker because that was even worse than Tidus being a "blitz star player"

Look at FF 7 Cloud was a former soldier and in 9 Zidane was a thief, they both a lot cooler than Tidus and Yuna in X-2

I don't think that's a great loss to them

OH dear, you think I care what is a loss to SE? well if the game was so great then why didn't it out-sell FF VII and FF VIII?
Don't gimme any crap about 7 or 8 being on the market longer, I haven't heard a single word of FF X-2's sales and FF VII sold all the copies the FIRST day on sale in japan, so did FF VIII.

Dressphere = Job system = One of the best systems

And what can I say, yes it is SORT OF a job system (apart from the fact that it TOTALLY SUCK!!!!! I don't even WANT TO explain why I say that 'cuz the dressphere is just plain stupid......

This enough for ya? it is for me.........

EDIT: I am not telling you or anyone else to agree with me, it is my opinion and I was so disapointed of FF X-2, when the PS2 was released I looked forward to the upcoming RPG's but they been a big disapointment, I gave up waiting for a good RPG a long time ago (for PS2) and I just bought a PC so I can play games like Everquest 2 and Baldurs Gate (btw that sucks on PS2 also)

[Palazzo]

Originally Posted by darkViVi

All the characters are 3 chicks (and YEAH I have played the game and I know they are hot, but THAT doesn't make the game good or bad)

Sucky reason to be honest. I couldn't care less if all the characters were female.

No SUMMONS for crying out loud, (to me a FF without summons is NOT a FF, I would say the same if SE made a sequel to FF VII without summon materia.
What I like about FF is infact summons, at the start in IX before Garnet could use her summons SHE SUCKED!!! But when I could use them I powered them up as high as I could and she RULED!!!

There's a reason for that and you'd know it if you finished X. If they had summons in X-2, it would completely contradict the ending of X.

Apart from that the graphics IS NOT what to expect of SE and the PS2, look at FF VII, VIII, IX the graphic on those games simply was something NEW, FF VII was the first RPG with 3D graphics, FF VIII was the first when it comes to FMV's and polygon graphics, and they made history (in game terms) with those games.

First 3D FF game, maybe, but I don't think it was the first 3D RPG (but hey, I might be wrong, don't think it is though).

Then they release FF X and that game disappointed me because there wasn't anything "new" in terms of graphics, as for FF X-2, I have seen better (a lot better).

Actually, I'd say FFX-2 has some of the best graphics for a PS2 game. Not the best, but some of the best.

OK did I say THAT??? NOOO!!!
I say the storyline SUCKS, ok? What is so great about playing 40+ hours with some chicks running around Spira chasing spheres and that "singing" by Yuna maaan FF X atleast had some great music.
The fact that yuna is a singing "idol" just made my mind up qicker because that was even worse than Tidus being a "blitz star player"

Did I say you said that? NOOO!!! Your little buddy did though.

You don't even know what the storyline is do you? You seem oblivious to everything with Yuna seeing that sphere of what she thought was Tidus and finding more of them in hope of getting him back. And everything with the Dark Aeons, Vegnagun, Lenne and Shuyin.

Look at FF 7 Cloud was a former soldier and in 9 Zidane was a thief, they both a lot cooler than Tidus and Yuna in X-2

Former soilder = Boring and cliched
Thief = Definately cliched even for a main character

OH dear, you think I care what is a loss to SE? well if the game was so great then why didn't it out-sell FF VII and FF VIII?

I was simply saying I don't think Square-Enix would give 2 sh1ts if you stopped playing their games. They've got millions of other fans that will buy the games.

And what can I say, yes it is SORT OF a job system (apart from the fact that it TOTALLY SUCK!!!!! I don't even WANT TO explain why I say that 'cuz the dressphere is just plain stupid......

The Dressphere system is the job system, just with a few additions. They even tie it into part of the storyline, something which VII barely did.

EDIT: I am not telling you or anyone else to agree with me, it is my opinion and I was so disapointed of FF X-2, when the PS2 was released I looked forward to the upcoming RPG's but they been a big disapointment, I gave up waiting for a good RPG a long time ago (for PS2) and I just bought a PC so I can play games like Everquest 2 and Baldurs Gate (btw that sucks on PS2 also)

There's a lot of good RPGs on the PS2. Just to list a few:

Xenosaga
Grandia
Star Ocean
Suikoden
Kingdom Hearts

[darkViVi]

Originally Posted by Palazzo

Sucky reason to be honest. I couldn't care less if all the characters were female.

It is not the gender of the characters, even if I miss a strong warrior like Auron or whatever

There's a reason for that and you'd know it if you finished X. If they had summons in X-2, it would completely contradict the ending of X.

I know, but still, it bores the living crap outta me

First 3D FF game, maybe, but I don't think it was the first 3D RPG (but hey, I might be wrong, don't think it is though).

First RPG in 3d indeed, at least on PSX, I seem to remember first 3D RPG game in the world, but that I'm not sure about.

Actually, I'd say FFX-2 has some of the best graphics for a PS2 game. Not the best, but some of the best

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naaaah the graphics doesn't suck but as I said in my last post it's nothing "new" about it

Did I say you said that? NOOO!!! Your little buddy did though.

LoL just had to be sure

You don't even know what the storyline is do you? You seem oblivious to everything with Yuna seeing that sphere of what she thought was Tidus and finding more of them in hope of getting him back. And everything with the Dark Aeons, Vegnagun, Lenne and Shuyin.

I don't quite remember the storyline, no.
BUT i never liked it, even from the first sequence, and BTW the dark aeons was too easy (that I remember because i PWNED don't remember wich ones but it was ownage.

and that part with getting Tidus back.....ooooh tha is just so sweat...LoL
right... that is not something that makes a story good (at least for me)

Former soilder = Boring and cliched
Thief = Definately cliched even for a main character

perhaps but still they both are a lot cooler than crybaby Tidus....

I was simply saying I don't think Square-Enix would give 2 sh1ts if you stopped playing their games. They've got millions of other fans that will buy the games.

I know, i know my point is....
if SE makes good games that I like, I will love to play them
if they make crap like X-2 I will not even consider buying it.
I bought X-2 for 600NOK that is around 60£ and gave it away after perhaps 4 or 5 days THAT IS HOW DISAPOINTED I WAS, didn't even care about my money....

The Dressphere system is the job system, just with a few additions. They even tie it into part of the storyline, something which VII barely did.

I like the materia A LOT better than the dressphere stuff, but hey each to their own (or something like that)

There's a lot of good RPGs on the PS2. Just to list a few:

Xenosaga
Grandia
Star Ocean
Suikoden
Kingdom Hearts

Well glad you like them I do not, I havent played Xeno or SO but that is because of my exp's with RPG's on the PS2
Kingdom Hearts was my first PS2 game (bought a package containing the console, game, MC and 2 controllers)
That game I also gave away, but I liked that better than X-2 even I dont like Donald and Mickey mouse.
Other RPG's for PS2 I have played is Champions of norrath (both sucks), Grandia, Suikonden (just borrowed it), Wizardry, both FF's of course plus some I can't recall their names none of the mentioned games comes even close to FF VII.

[Palazzo]

Originally Posted by darkViVi

I know, but still, it bores the living crap outta me

Fair enough, though I don't need summons to be able to enjoy a game.

Not having summons in the game makes it a lot harder.

First RPG in 3d indeed, at least on PSX, I seem to remember first 3D RPG game in the world, but that I'm not sure about.

I'm sure there were one or two RPGs released before FFVII that were 3D. Meh, doesn't matter anyway.

naaaah the graphics doesn't suck but as I said in my last post it's nothing "new" about it

Yeh, but who cares about graphics to be honest

I don't quite remember the storyline, no.
BUT i never liked it, even from the first sequence, and BTW the dark aeons was too easy (that I remember because i PWNED don't remember wich ones but it was ownage.

That's fair enough, you don't have to like it, there was just more to it than you said.

The Dark Aeons in X-2 aren't like the ones in X. They're part of the storyline, not a super hard sidequest.

and that part with getting Tidus back.....ooooh tha is just so sweat...LoL
right... that is not something that makes a story good (at least for me)

All FF storylines have their romantic type parts, this was X-2's.

I know, i know my point is....
if SE makes good games that I like, I will love to play them
if they make crap like X-2 I will not even consider buying it.
I bought X-2 for 600NOK that is around 60£ and gave it away after perhaps 4 or 5 days THAT IS HOW DISAPOINTED I WAS, didn't even care about my money....

Actually, you said:

If S-E doesn't make FF XII better AND ALOT BETTER BTW, then I'm NEVER going to play any FF game EVER!!!!

Fair enough, you don't have to play a game you don't like, but not playing any FF game ever again just because of a couple of (in your opinion) poor games?

I like the materia A LOT better than the dressphere stuff, but hey each to their own (or something like that)

And you're entitled to like it more. But that wasn't the point I was making.

[darkViVi]

Originally Posted by Palazzo

Fair enough, though I don't need summons to be able to enjoy a game.

Doesn't have to be, but it is one thing that makes FF cool (for my part)

Not having summons in the game makes it a lot harder.

Perhaps, but since when was FF hard? I never needed the summons because my characters was bad to the bone YEEEEEEAH!!!

I'm sure there were one or two RPGs released before FFVII that were 3D. Meh, doesn't matter anyway.

Doesn't really matter it ws just that the graphics was so awesome when FF VII was released.

Yeh, but who cares about graphics to be honest

Well I do, that is one of the main reasons I'm looking forward to PS3.
HAVE YOU SEEN SOME OF THE VIDEOS???? AMAAAAAASING!!!!!

That's fair enough, you don't have to like it, there was just more to it than you said.

The Dark Aeons in X-2 aren't like the ones in X. They're part of the storyline, not a super hard sidequest.

well yeah, but I wished it could be a bit more difficult thats all.
The only hard time I had on X was fighting Seymore Flux and that total annialation stuff....

All FF storylines have their romantic type parts, this was X-2's.

Well yeah but they haven't turned them into a "love game" before.
BTW is that a new genre? LoL
I know what you mean but frankly I don't paid to much attention to romance when playing (or watching movies for that matter)
I'm not gonna speak about others, but I play RPG's because I find it cool to cast spells and walk around with a huge sword and stuff

Fair enough, you don't have to play a game you don't like, but not playing any FF game ever again just because of a couple of (in your opinion) poor games?

Well what I mean is....if 12 is not better, then SE is not proving to me that they can make good games anymore.
It is difficult even for a multi-national company to make games, but HEY polyphony digital did a great job with GT4, why can't SE do a great job with FF?
let's just wait for FF XII and I'll judge it then, my expectations is rather high, but I am worried about another disapointment.

And you're entitled to like it more. But that wasn't the point I was making

Well yeah, but I just don't like that dressphere stuff at all, I know some do but............I just don't

[Palazzo]

Perhaps, but since when was FF hard? I never needed the summons because my characters was bad to the bone YEEEEEEAH!!!

It's a lot harder without Summons is all I'm saying.

well yeah, but I wished it could be a bit more difficult thats all.
The only hard time I had on X was fighting Seymore Flux and that total annialation stuff....

So you beat all the Dark Aeons, Penance, all the Monster Arena creations and Nemesis with ease?

Well what I mean is....if 12 is not better, then SE is not proving to me that they can make good games anymore.
It is difficult even for a multi-national company to make games, but HEY polyphony digital did a great job with GT4, why can't SE do a great job with FF?
let's just wait for FF XII and I'll judge it then, my expectations is rather high, but I am worried about another disapointment.

From what I've seen XII looks great. But you can't expect companies to make every single game they make fantastic. All companies have their weaker games.

[darkViVi]

Originally Posted by Palazzo

So you beat all the Dark Aeons, Penance, all the Monster Arena creations and Nemesis with ease?

From what I've seen XII looks great.

As for the question I was thinking about the story, not sidequests.
And I bought it again to see if I can defeat all the dark aeons, because that was the only thing I didn't do the last time.
I just got three of 'em.

As for FF XII yeah it looks great and the battle system must be tried out, also they removed the random encounters (that is GREAT btw)

But you can't expect companies to make every single game they make fantastic. All companies have their weaker

Well why not? they charge us a great bit of cash when we buy the games.
PLUS as for online gaming you must pay for the game +your network connection AND the server you play on, so I demand games to be good.
If they gonna make mediocre games then they must charge us less, and I don't know about anybody else in this forum but I pay all my games and gaming equipment myself.

I don't say all games have to be perfect, infact we will probobly never see a perfect game. But a RPG must first of all be long, not like FF X (that was a short story, I spent twice the time training my characters than I did completeing the story)

Besides do you have ANY idea what they make yearly at SE?
I don't know what they make BUT I know what the starting salary is (minimum wage) I would be glad to work with that salary for the rest of my life dude, it is that high.

[Deicide]

Never sure wether I like this game or not to be honest.

First off I dont consider it a Final Fantasy game, its not an RPG and shares more elements with the spinoffs, like Tactics, than with the actual series. To me that makes it a spinoff also, not a 'true sequal' like Squenix would like everyone to beleive. So I'm not keen to grade it by the others, if I was though, yes, I would say it sucks by comparission. Why? Simple - the production quality or lack there off. Same enviroments, same graphics, same engine, same characters add a little sex appeal and lower the your expectation of intellegence (yes, this game vaguely offends mine, its a valid opinion) and there you have FFX-2. In my opinion better work could have been done, that a game so obviously hashed together in someones spare time could come out AND get taken seriously in this day and age...? Very worrying.

Plotwise I'm also disapointed with the game, though in all fairness I was from the get-go since there are SO many holes. For example, if Yuna was sooo in love with Tidus then why is she running around singing and living it up just a scant couple of years later? (not a spoiler, just a hint, meh) Thats not how human hearts work, its not realistic emotion, something a lot of us have come to expect from Square and hope to see reinstated with Squenixs next addition to the series. However, the horrible 'plot', combined with the HORRIFIC pop music and overplastered sex-appeal in the opening of the game almost made me put down the controller and switch the machine of there and then! Thus I can easily sympathise with those who do not like, in fact completely loath, this game.

And yet.. The gameplay is guiltily appealing and at the core I do think this had potential to be a good title if only just about every other aspect hadent been rushed over. The mission based style and the dress orbs, cliched and detestable as they are, are actually rather fun and the game is.. Playable for that alone.

I wouldnt dream of scrapping out the cash it went for at original release though, again thats more because of the poor production values and the fact the game was sold more to take advantage of the FFX fans than to be an actual, serious, well-made game. For a knock off price like it has now though? There probably are worse ways to spend your money out there..

:..2-2-7..:

[Palazzo]

ViVi, name one company that has made a lot of games and they've all been great.

[cousin eddie]

im not really botherd bout ffx2 its alr8 but it could be better you cant really compair it with the rest of the series

lmao I have not even played the game yet but I made a video involving scenes from x an x-2 but mostly 2 and made a pop thing out of it and said it was like Charlie Angels and have not even played the game, it seems my impression from the few cut scenes I viewed were right lol.