The Earth Is Going To End.

[hellbred]

Well if it wouldnt break the earth into peices, why couldnt we find a place deep enough to live for... at least a little while? i understand there'd be no light, and nuclear winter on the surface.. but below... i would think if a metor hit we'd feel an aftershock which would probably be... well unexplainable in mere words, since we've never felt anything like that... but maybe we could sustain life long enough... for maybe even a year or so.

But if Jesus didnt' reach EVERYONE, there are people in India, China, Israel, who follow their own religion, some (asian) people live with monks in Temples and Monastaries, hwo can God possibly reach them? They're screwed for an eternity? That seems unfair...And those who; were raised to believe on thing you cna't change them on notice...

[Blacksmith]

Originally Posted by Horyo

But if Jesus didnt' reach EVERYONE, there are people in India, China, Israel, who follow their own religion, some (asian) people live with monks in Temples and Monastaries, hwo can God possibly reach them? They're screwed for an eternity? That seems unfair...And those who; were raised to believe on thing you cna't change them on notice...

1. Due to most of those countries you spoke of have laws against teaching other religions they basically will never come to find the gospel. It is unfair, but since even China, India, etc etc have dictating pieces of shits for emperors/presidents unless a REAL good leader takes position there will be no such thing as religious freedom. Oh and Israel DOES believe in god, just in a different way. But yeah in all the other countries if you don't believe what they tell you to believe you get "reducated" AKA killed.

2. Not only do the governments of each country enforce their laws greatly, but they also brainwash their own people to hate us and any free society. That is why you see dumbass Muslims killing themselves to go to heaven, (they believe in killing "evil" they get free passage into heaven), but since they believe in a different god they do not understand the christian ways.

3. If these governments also gave a damn about their own people, instead of buying weapons and missiles they'd be using their money to better schools, business, and other things. That is one reason why so many countries are 2nd around or third world countries. They have either not been introduced to the 21st century or they get treated like shit.

I could give you a thousand other reasons why so many people CAN'T believe in god, but it all comes down to the people who control them. I hate America because it can just be as bad as those countries some times, but there still IS freedom to actually live how you wish. Everything else is greatly corrupt.

Just Deye

[Novacrash]

i told you i wasnt guna post till i got my facts straight i kinda do so

And also, if God loves us, why would he punish us when he gives us free will to do waht we choose? Why not just send everyone to hell or heaven? he created us, why condemn us?

this also goes with lifes purpose once we are all tested by life ands we die and go to our final destination and no life is present on earth he destroys it

hes not going to destroy it while anything occupies it unless its plants or trees or soemthing.. but no human or animal ife

[TomStrife]

Originally Posted by Horyo

But if Jesus didnt' reach EVERYONE, there are people in India, China, Israel, who follow their own religion, some (asian) people live with monks in Temples and Monastaries, hwo can God possibly reach them? They're screwed for an eternity? That seems unfair...And those who; were raised to believe on thing you cna't change them on notice...

That`s what MISSIONARYS ARE FOR!

Ever heard of them? There are those people who travel to countries all over the wolrd and preach the Gospel. So they aren`t screwed.

Yes I have heard of missionaries, and I don't need you to insult the capacity of my knowledge. But there are certain places where missionaries can't reach, right? Who would wander in a jungle towards a temple which still might be there, in search of people to change/convert? ANd besides what of those people who have been raised to believe something else? Its not fair to force them to convert.

[Bryan]

Originally Posted by Sasquatch

Belle: Good point. From the outside looking in, that's a perfectly logical question. From the inside, though, it is so obvious. Not just from a scientific point of view, but from a personal -- we've seen God act in our lives and the lives of others, we've seen Divine Protection, we've seen miracles. I've seen a seemingly random charity check made out to a single mother, that just happened to be made out for the exact amount that was on her credit card -- the reason was a simple "God just told me to give you this. I hope it helps." But as for our relationship with God and how the Bible is involved -- if you really had faith that your pop tart would save you from eternal damnation, had faith that your pop tart would help get you through your everyday life, and had faith that, through that faith in your pop tart, you would spend eternity in Heaven in worship to your pop tart...your pop tart box would have instructions on what to do with the pop tart, how to handle the pop tart, what you shouldn't do with the pop tart, how to eat the pop tart, and even what's in the pop tart. Just like my Bible has instructions on how to worship my god (God), what God likes and doesn't like me doing, why I need my faith in God, what God is, and what I need to do to become part of God's family. Your pop tart box is my Bible.

This is probably the best explanation to the pop tart analogy that I have seen to date. It's just always been a mystery to me (and it probably always will be) why it is exactly that one needs directions on how to properly worship.

I would think that the bond would be much stronger if it was just you and God with nothing standing in between. No directions, just you and Him. You wouldn't feel as close to your friends and family if you were to check some manual before you did anything with them or for them, would you?

You just do things for people because you feel like doing them. I'm not implying that you do, but one shouldn't worship by fear of the flames, either. Do it because you want to and not because someone or something is telling you to, you know?

That's all I'm saying.

[Crazy Chocobo]

Originally Posted by TomStrife

I`m just stating my opinion on what other people say and so far, whenever I question theirs, they just leave. I guess they just suggested defeat.

I`m willing to hear them out and then question things.

You're willing to hear other people's opinions? Why do you keep telling them they're wrong then?

ONE reason why you are wrong

Actually you are wrong

Theory: REJECTED!

Um...no. You`re wrong

People are only trying to state their own opinions here. They are allowed to, it's a free country. Must you correct everyone? Are you an expert of the bible? Not everyone believes in God. Everybody has their theories, don't say their wrong. I'm not saying you're wrong, not at all. I'm just trying to say...stop telling everyone they're wrong because they have just as much right to say something as you. For all we know, they could be right! I'm trying not to be insulting but that's the way I feel.

The world is going to end one day. How? We don't know. I have heard countless stories about it. My friend reckons it'll blow up randomly, lol she's like that. We know global warming isn't doing much to help things. It's going to happen someday but when?

[Sasquatch]

Originally Posted by BelleOfTheNight

I would think that the bond would be much stronger if it was just you and God with nothing standing in between. No directions, just you and Him. You wouldn't feel as close to your friends and family if you were to check some manual before you did anything with them or for them, would you?

Yes and no. Remember, the Bible is prettymuch the only way God talks to us. We know how to act with and concerning our friends and family because we've talked to them, hung out with them, et cetera -- and we know how to act with and concerning God because, just like our friends and family, He tells us. You know when you make a friend or family member uncomfortable -- even if they don't come right out and tell you, you can see it in the way they respond, the way they act. And you know if you make them happy -- again, even if they don't tell you directly, you can see it in their response, their smile, their actions. And you might say "well why doesn't God come down to earth to have a chat with us?" The answer is that He did -- about two thousand years ago. But other than Jesus, the way he talks to us, and the way we can find out about what God does and doesn't like -- just like what our friends and family do and don't like -- is to read the Bible.

Originally Posted by ~Crazy Chocobo~

People are only trying to state their own opinions here. They are allowed to, it's a free country. Must you correct everyone? Are you an expert of the bible? Not everyone believes in God. Everybody has their theories, don't say their wrong. I'm not saying you're wrong, not at all. I'm just trying to say...stop telling everyone they're wrong because they have just as much right to say something as you. For all we know, they could be right! I'm trying not to be insulting but that's the way I feel.

This is one of the problems with a lot of ideas, including (and especially) the Political Correctness movement. There are some things that are wrong -- not just in a sense of right and wrong, but in a sense of correct and incorrect. By your logic, I could go out and say "The Chicago Bears won the Super Bowl!", and everybody would have to say "well you're not wrong, you're entitled to your opinion..." I would be wrong in saying that, because it's not true.

Now, while "The Bible is right, and you're wrong" may not be the best way to go about an explanation, it's still what we believe. But as for facts, there are definite "right" and "wrong", and stating the wrong thing as more than opinion is wrong, and we also have the right to point out when somebody's wrong. As I said in another post, I would rather somebody pick apart my arguments and tell me where I'm wrong (not just where they disagree with me, but where I'm actually incorrect), as I can take that information and use it to form a better debate.

[Crazy Chocobo]

Originally Posted by Sasquatch

we also have the right to point out when somebody's wrong.

How do you know they're wrong? Like I said, some people don't believe that stuff. They believe in another type of theory like 'the universe was created by the big bang' or something else. How do you know that's not true? It could have been anything! It could have been God, yes....it possibly could have been. It could have been something scientific too! I was never brought up religously so I don't know what to believe in really, I kind of believe in God but I don't worship him 24/7. Anything is possible. The bible may say everything was created by God but IS THAT TRUE? Does God exist? To some people no!

Is God going to end the world too? If he created it, does that mean he's going to destroy it?

[Sasquatch]

Originally Posted by ~Crazy Chocobo~

How do you know they're wrong? Like I said, some people don't believe that stuff. They believe in another type of theory like 'the universe was created by the big bang' or something else.

... and they'd be wrong.

I really don't see what's difficult about this. Go ahead and believe in the Big Bang if you want, but if you (I use "you" in a general sense here) try to produce fabricated or manipulated evidence to support it (or Evolutionism, or Creationism, or any argument), people will point out that what you presented is wrong. And they have every right to do so -- not just a right, I'd say, but an obligation. Because if nobody points out what's incorrect, too many people will buy into it, as we've seen plenty of times before. That's why in most debates, people present their argument and their support for it, and then confront the opposing argument to point out the flaws and contradictions in it -- to point out what's wrong. Where would sports be if opposing teams met and both said "I'll tell you what, you should win this game"? There's a right and a wrong, a winner and a loser, and a correct and incorrect.

How do you know that's not true?

Factual scientific evidence that disproves evidence used to portray the earth as billions of years old. Factual scientific evidence supporting the theory that the earth is only thousands of years old. Established Laws of Physics and Thermodynamics. Common sense. Laws of Probability. And the Bible.

That's how I know that's not true.

It could have been something scientific too!

You're under the general assumption that nothing God does has anything to do with science. Though the existence or nonexistence of God can't be proven, the things He's done can.

Is God going to end the world too? If he created it, does that mean he's going to destroy it?

He wanted to do it about 4400 years ago, but there was this one guy who was decent, so God decided not to scrap the entire idea of a human race after all -- that guy's name was Noah. And why wouldn't He destroy it? He already told us what He'd do.

[Crazy Chocobo]

Originally Posted by Sasquatch

Go ahead and believe in the Big Bang if you want

Umm... I didn't say that I believed in that theory myself. I'm just saying that everyone doesn't believe in God and the Bible. I know many people who don't believe in the big man upstairs. My friend is a good example, she believes God is evil actually. I know you'll say she's wrong but I learned to respect her beliefs. I don't go to Church or read the bible so I'm not knowledgable on this kind of thing....obviously . I shouldn't pick silly fights lol, I've been known to do this. I was just stating what I believe. How I feel about the matter. So go ahead and tell me I'm wrong again. I absolutely respect your opinion but I just don't like the fact that people keep getting told they're wrong. Yikes.

[Sasquatch]

Originally Posted by ~Crazy Chocobo~

Umm... I didn't say that I believed in that theory myself. I'm just saying that everyone doesn't believe in God and the Bible.

Sorry, I thought I covered that by pointing out that I was using "you" in a general sense. Which wouldn't mean YOU directly, but anybody. Anybody can believe whatever they want, but nobody should expect to be able to spout anything and everything and never be told they're wrong.