The Earth Is Going To End. - Page 3

hellbred · 02-20-2006, 11:09 PM

it's not a one-way choice, because you have the option to turn to jesus as your savior, or to deny him. it's a choice you have because you do have free will. you have to have faith to get into heaven because if you have no faith, you do not believe in christ, or that christ is the son of the lord. the bible says everything the lord has, he's given to his son, and no one comes to the lord except through jesus.

02-20-2006, 11:11 PM

But people from other religions, other countries were raised to believe something else, The Lord shouldn't condemn them...Its not fair that way, Old habits Die hard, you can't force/tell a person to give up their religion for something new, and they shouldn't suffer for it.

Ultima · 02-21-2006, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Sasquatch

I really like how you talk about God and Jesus, but discount the entire Bible. Please tell me, what in the Bible has been a false prediction? And no, though God didn't write the Bible in his own hand, it's inspired by God -- basically, God told Moses, John, Paul, Peter, and all the rest of 'em what to write, and they wrote it. Discarding it because it wasn't written by the physical hand of God is like throwing away your tax return because it wasn't personally signed by the President.

"and no I'm not in denial either" just reeks of irony. Comical.

Comical huh? Well smart guy what makes you a good Catholic? Oh, and irony is overrated if you're trying to keep up with the times.

Sasquatch · 02-21-2006, 08:51 AM

...what?

I'm not Catholic.

TomStrife · 02-21-2006, 09:27 AM

Sasquatch, ignore him. He is obviously one of those people that think that Catholicsm and Christianity are synonyms.

I think I`m a good Christian because I`m not Catholic.

(And Ultima, if you are by chance a girl, I aplogize. No gender symbols on these forums....jeez).

BTW, I just would like to say:.

THERE ARE NO FALSE PREDICTIONS IN THE BIBLE.

If you think you found one, let us know.

Ultima · 02-21-2006, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TomStrife

Sasquatch, ignore him. He is obviously one of those people that think that Catholicsm and Christianity are synonyms.

I think I`m a good Christian because I`m not Catholic.

(And Ultima, if you are by chance a girl, I aplogize. No gender symbols on these forums....jeez).

BTW, I just would like to say:.

THERE ARE NO FALSE PREDICTIONS IN THE BIBLE.

If you think you found one, let us know.

For your info, I am a guy, and I use male symbols, second you and Mr. Smartass can just kiss my ass, Third, synonyms have nothin to do with this arugment, and lastly who makes you two the authority of the bible? Last I heard in Church God was the authority HE MAKES THE RULES!!!

If you want to waste your lives believing world ending nonsense go right ahead, because if you losers believe the end is coming it will for you, not for me! And I'll say it again: GOD MAKES THE RULES, HE'S THE AUTHORITY, YOUR NOT, SO bELIEVE WHAT YOU WILL BUT GOD KNOWS ALL AND IF YOU THINK THE WORLD'S ENDING THINK AGAIN!

God's decent HE will tell us when it's time, NOT YOU.

relm · 02-21-2006, 12:38 PM

Ultima,
...seems like you believe in GOd, but you
do not believe in His word... Written all throughout the
Bible are signs and events that will happen right before the
end of times. There is strong evidence that the days we are
living in are those final days. Please take some time to read
Revelations if you want to understand. If you're convinced
that God makes the rules, then you should read them some time.
The Bible is the word of God, and thats a way He talks to ppl.

Ultima · 02-21-2006, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by relm

Ultima,
...seems like you believe in GOd, but you
do not believe in His word... Written all throughout the
Bible are signs and events that will happen right before the
end of times. There is strong evidence that the days we are
living in are those final days. Please take some time to read
Revelations if you want to understand. If you're convinced
that God makes the rules, then you should read them some time.
The Bible is the word of God, and thats a way He talks to ppl.

Oh, don't get me wrong I believe in God's word, But I also believe he is a kind and just God. I mean come on, Why would he create humans only to destroy them in the first place? We go to Church, we listen, we read the bible, only to have someone who is not God tell us we are going to die? I for one plan to live a happy long life either on earth or in heaven, but I 'am not dead yet. So yeah i believe in his word, lets not forget that God is great, he gave us lives to live, and if he was going to destroy the world in 2012 why would he wait that long? Creaters are not destroyers, you understand? So if you believe in him why fear death? Why fear dieing? I for one believe in him he would not kill us off after all we give up and do for him.

Sasquatch · 02-21-2006, 03:46 PM

Aww c'mon now... Why would you call me a smartass?

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Originally Posted by Ultima

For your info, I am a guy, and I use male symbols, second you and Mr. Smartass can just kiss my ass, Third, synonyms have nothin to do with this arugment, and lastly who makes you two the authority of the bible? Last I heard in Church God was the authority HE MAKES THE RULES!!!

If you want to waste your lives believing world ending nonsense go right ahead, because if you losers believe the end is coming it will for you, not for me! And I'll say it again: GOD MAKES THE RULES, HE'S THE AUTHORITY, YOUR NOT, SO bELIEVE WHAT YOU WILL BUT GOD KNOWS ALL AND IF YOU THINK THE WORLD'S ENDING THINK AGAIN!

God's decent HE will tell us when it's time, NOT YOU.

Alright slick, settle down a bit. Breathe. Nobody said anybody was any "authority of the Bible". I simply see the contradictions in your argument. Yes, God makes the rules. They're in the Bible. Which you claim contains false predictions. Take it or leave it, buddy.

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So yeah i believe in his word, lets not forget that God is great, he gave us lives to live, and if he was going to destroy the world in 2012 why would he wait that long? Creaters are not destroyers, you understand?

Destroyers? You mean destroying, like, oh, say, raining sulfur and brimstone from the sky to completely demolish two entire cities? How about crumbling the solid rock walls around a city so that an opposing army can invade and capture it? Or what about parting an entire sea so that thousands upon thousands of people can walk on dry land through it, then letting it collapse and swallow their pursuing army? Or do you mean DESTROYING THE ENTIRE EARTH IN A FLOOD? Nope, God would never do that. What, d'you just skip over those parts?

Nobody here is trying to use the Bible to support the idea that the world is going to end in 2012, or in the near future, or at all -- the Bible never says the world is going to end, only that He will Rapture those that follow Him, and that we'll eventually all come back down for one big thousand-year shindig on earth before we go live happily ever after in Heaven. ... Really.

...

("God's decent"?)

(I also liked "God's a Lover, not a Destroyer, that's the thing I learned from the bible, they got that part right." Yes, the Bible got that part right. Who would have imagined that? The Word of God, and it even agrees with your views of God! They must be doing something right, huh? They're on top of it. On the ball.)

(...am I still a smartass?)

relm · 02-21-2006, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultima

Oh, don't get me wrong I believe in God's word, But I also believe he is a kind and just God. I mean come on, Why would he create humans only to destroy them in the first place?

Ok, Ultima you say U believe in God's word, but you should try reading it
a little more. Sasquatch is right. You can't read some of it and
discredit the rest like it was never there. I will try to answer ur
questions simply...

You ask why he would create us? God created mankind in His image to
woship Him. Now man has turned away from Him, and turned to sin.
Why do you think God created the Great flood that wiped out the earth?
Why do you think he destroyed Sodom and Gommorra with fire and brimstone?
Because man has turned away from Him.
That's not all - read on...

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Originally Posted by Ultima

We go to Church, we listen, we read the bible, only to have someone who is not God tell us we are going to die?

God speaks to us even through people and events. Yes, through the
pastor of a Church.

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Originally Posted by Ultima

Creaters are not destroyers, you understand?

This is not true. By saying this, you are saying God's power is limited.
He can do whatever He wants, and He will do what He said He would
do, which is Judge the world when He returns.

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Originally Posted by Ultima

So yeah i believe in his word, lets not forget that God is great, he gave us lives to live, and if he was going to destroy the world in 2012 why would he wait that long?

The truth is, Ultima, we don't know when He is coming. He can come Today, He can come tomorrow, He can come in 2012. But He will come when no one
expects it, as the Bible says: His coming will be like a theif in the night.

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Originally Posted by Ultima

So if you believe in him why fear death? Why fear dieing?

That is a good question. As Christians we should not fear death. If we have faith in God and we accept Him as our personal Lord & Saviour, He will save
us, and we will go to heaven.

*Bryan* · 02-21-2006, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TomStrife

You say it like it`s going to happen the way you say.
That would be great if you had evidence to support it.

I do. The Bible.

But how do you know that the Bible is even real? It all boils down to a matter of faith. For all you know, the Bible could have just been written to keep us all in line by some (mortal) guy with a really good idea.

One can have faith in anything, you see. I could put all of my faith into a pop tart and believe in it, convincing myself that it will lead me to salvation just as much as you put your faith into God. This is not a blasphemous statement, either, but rather a matter of looking at things in a different light. One must have an extreme amount of faith to believe in something that you can't even touch or see. Open your mind a bit for the sake of this conversation, that's all I'm saying.

Tossing everything to faith is an easy escape to the question at hand. It's very easy to say, "This is going to happen because I have faith in it and nobody can convince me otherwise". Well, I'm not trying to convince, but merely attempting to get you to see things outside of the box.

I, for one, don't believe in the Bible. I think it's about as false as "I Can't Believe It's Not Butter". It's just another obstacle (along side churches and everything affiliated with them) between your relationship with God. Honestly, religion-wise, I don't know what I am. But looking at the Christian religion, it's a poorly constructed, man-made error. Keep in mind, this is just the religion. Nobody should be telling you or even guiding you to the "correct" way to worship, which is all Christianity actually does.

Why not sever the ties and it just be you and God? It makes more sense to me. But this is a different story altogether. It is not my intent to offend with this message, but to simply attempt to expand at least one mind to whoever might read this.

relm · 02-21-2006, 06:08 PM

Belle, you bring up a common argument for
Non-believers, which is just questioning the Authority of the
Bible. You are right tho when you said basically it IS all in one's faith.

Sometimes I even question, 'how do we know
that God is real?'...

But I look at the vastness of the ocean and I am reminded....
I look into a clear starry sky at night and I am reminded...
I look at how perfect everything is from the smallest atom, to the
far off galaxies and I am reminded of how great God really is.
You just see these things and you just know...

But if you are looking for more solid proof, I don't have much.
I can say that The Ark that Noah built from the great flood in
Genesis still exists on Mt. Ararat today!
There are books though, I think it's called A Case Against Jesus, but
it brings proof that Jesus and creation really existed.

But I never look at the scientific historical proof, I just believe... wow...
All we need is God's word to us.

Ultima · 02-21-2006, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sasquatch

Aww c'mon now... Why would you call me a smartass?Alright slick, settle down a bit. Breathe. Nobody said anybody was any "authority of the Bible". I simply see the contradictions in your argument. Yes, God makes the rules. They're in the Bible. Which you claim contains false predictions. Take it or leave it, buddy.Destroyers? You mean destroying, like, oh, say, raining sulfur and brimstone from the sky to completely demolish two entire cities? How about crumbling the solid rock walls around a city so that an opposing army can invade and capture it? Or what about parting an entire sea so that thousands upon thousands of people can walk on dry land through it, then letting it collapse and swallow their pursuing army? Or do you mean DESTROYING THE ENTIRE EARTH IN A FLOOD? Nope, God would never do that. What, d'you just skip over those parts?

Nobody here is trying to use the Bible to support the idea that the world is going to end in 2012, or in the near future, or at all -- the Bible never says the world is going to end, only that He will Rapture those that follow Him, and that we'll eventually all come back down for one big thousand-year shindig on earth before we go live happily ever after in Heaven. ... Really.

...

("God's decent"?)

(I also liked "God's a Lover, not a Destroyer, that's the thing I learned from the bible, they got that part right." Yes, the Bible got that part right. Who would have imagined that? The Word of God, and it even agrees with your views of God! They must be doing som