In game, and according to the stats and all that... who would win?

Sephiroth's final boss form (the three part one)

or

Kefka's three part boss fight (with the sub parts on each part)

ok.. you have to have information on both parties, like the abilities they can do and the damage they can deal, to be able to really say who would win...

and try to defend your answer..

[KingSephiroth]

Well, I'll bring in some points for Sephiroth.
Supernova - (Long ass Summon) That takes away from your max health a percentage until you are somewhere in the yellow. I can vouch for this because I played enough to know, here's how. I use Cid, Barret, and Cloud end game (when you basically have everything) and they are all 99. Supernova was used on me twice and both times I had full hp. It did the exact same damage each time.
At another time I was in the 60's. It did less damage, but all 3 times brought me down in the yellow, never red unless I was already damaged. Since I knew that it did percentage damage, I was low and let him use it again and he killed me because he did exact same damage. So one guarantee is that it will do more than half life to everyone and not affect Seph (The sun freaking goes through him!)

Sin Harvest - (He does have this as Safer, it's just called differently in alot of versions) Drops to 1 hp, eliminates all mp, removes all forms of shield/barriers, done to entire party. What can I say? Ultimate move EVER.

Break - Earth damage, possibility of Stone.

Pale Horse - Non elemental decent damage, inflicts with a number of status affects including confusion, toad/frog, darkness, silence, and poison. May not all affect at once. (Actually those are the most common, technically its supposed to "Throw every status effect in the book" at you")

? - It was a basic attack he did with his wing, it had an actual name, but did light damage.

Wall- 'Nuff said.

He can fly

Shadow Flare - Heavy damage (I think non-elemental or darkness)

That's about it.

[relm]

Kefka's "Fallen One" attack.
That's all I have to say.
Such a cheap attack lol.
If this works, Sepheroth would be on his knees in no time.
Worrrd

[Palazzo]

Well, let's have a look at what attacks they have first (I've probably missed some, so tell me if I have):

Kefka:

1st form:

Normal Attack - Pretty strong basic attack.

R.Polarity - Switches your party's positions around (front row and back row) Can be bery annoying as it brings characters with low defense to the front so they receive more damage and sends characters with high attack power to the back so they do less damage themselves.

Shockwave - Pretty strong attack against one character

Slip Hit - Attack the causes HP to be taken away from the target randomly (pretty much like Poision) as well as the original damage caused by the attack. I don't think you can stop the HP loss either.

Haste - Speeds up a part of itself. Definately bad as you can guess.

Safe - Reduces damage received. Definately annoying as you're not causing as much damage with your physical attacks anymore.

Dread - Petrifies one character

Quake - Strong magic attack on self and your party

2nd form:

Normal Attack - Pretty powerful basic attack.

Imp - Turns one character into an Imp, stopping them from using Magic and Special Abilities.

Diffuser- Lightning elemental attack, hits all characters for moderate damage

Fire3 - Powerful fire elemental attack

Flare Star - Fire elemental attack, ignores defense and hits all enemies for high damage

Grav Bomb - Halves the HP of one character

Haste - Speeds up a part of itself

Missile - Lowers HP of one character to 3/4. Causes Seizure (Randomly causes damage to target, I don't think it can be stopped)

Bio - Poisions All characters

Atomic Ray - Hits all characters for moderate damage

Haste2 - Speeds up all parts of itself (VERY bad)

N.Cross - Hits all characters and has a chance to freeze them. All characters frozen = Game Over

Poison - Poisons one character

Dispel - Takes away any positive statuses from a character

S.Cross - Hits all party members for quite high damage

10 Hits - Hits your party ten times for moderate damage each hit, randomly choosing targets

Muddle - Confuses a party member

Life3 - Allows a part of the boss to automatically revive upon dying

Bolt3 - Strong Lightning attack on all characters

Mute - Silences a party member

Quartr - Reduces all characters HP to 1/4 of their current HP

Pearl - Strong Holy elemental attack on one character

Tek Laser - Moderate Lightning elemental attack on one character

3rd form:

Normal Attack - Pretty powerful basic attack

Merton - Strong Fire and Wind elemental attack that ignores Defense

Life2 - Revives a part of itself with full HP

Calmness - Puts one character to sleep

Condemned - Starts a countdown on one character. When the countdown reaches 0, the character dies

Pearl Wind - Heals all targets by caster's current HP

W Wind - Lowers all of your party to 1/16th of their current HP

Meteo - Strong attack that hits all of your party ignoring defense

Final form:

Normal Attack - Pretty powerful basic attack

Fallen One - Reduces all of your character's HP to 1

Train - Hits all of your party causing Darkness and Mute (and I think damage)

Havoc Wing - Powerful attack on all characters

Revenger - Hits all characters, removing any positive status effects (and possibly causing damage)

Hyperdrive - Strong attack on one character, ignoring defense and causing Seizure.

Goner - Hits all characters for high damage

Some very powerful (and annoying) attacks there.


Now Sephiroth.

Bizarro Sephiroth:

Normal Attack - Pretty powerful basic attack

Bizarro Energy - Restores around 6000 HP to one of the parts or revive and restore the head part

Stigma - Inflicts status effects on all characters

Aurora Fence - Hits all characters and negates any positive status effects they have.

Heartless Angel - Reduces all character's HP to 1

Demi3 - Hits all characters and takes of around 75% of their HP

Ice3 - Strong Ice attack on one character

Bolt3 - Strong Lightning attack on one character

Fire3 - Strong Fire attack on one character

Quake3 - Strong Earth attack on one character

Slow - Slows the speed of one character

Stop - Stops one character

Safer Sephiroth:

Normal Attack - Pretty powerful basic attack

Supernova - Powerful attack on all characters that takes away around 80-90% of their HP.

Shadow Flare - Strong attack on one character

Deen - Does moderate damage to all characters

Wall - Casts Barrier and MBarrier on self, reducing physical and magic damage.

Pale Horse - Quite small to moderate damage on one character plus some status effects

Fly Higher - Flys higher into the air avoids most physical attacks other than long range attacks

Fly Lower - Comes back down, meaning all physical attacks work again


To be honest, based on their attacks, I'd say it would probably be pretty much a stalemate. Their total combined HPs are even around the same.

[Sasquatch]

Palazzo -- Is "Calmness" the one the third tier uses that kills one of your characters, right before you get up to Kefka? I always got annoyed that I had my best characters fight all the way up, and one of them -- usually, for some reason, my very best -- gets killed so I can't use them.

I'd, again, have to go with Kefka and his Statue on this. Kefka himself wasn't all that difficult, but the statue made him much moreso. And to me, Sephiroth was somewhat difficult, but not really.

Not to mention, FFVII included things like Knights of the Round, which made Sephiroth extremely easy.

I'm not going to go in to their abilities and such, because, obviously, that's already been taken care of. But I can point out that Kefka and his Statue have forty-three different ways they can hurt you, while Sephiroth only has, what, eight?

[Palazzo]

Originally Posted by Sasquatch

Palazzo -- Is "Calmness" the one the third tier uses that kills one of your characters, right before you get up to Kefka? I always got annoyed that I had my best characters fight all the way up, and one of them -- usually, for some reason, my very best -- gets killed so I can't use them.

Yeh, that's what it said when I looked it up, but I could have sworn when I did the final battle this morning, that when "Calmness" was used, it only put one of my characters to sleep. Maybe I just misread though.

[KingSephiroth]

Palazzo has interesting points. However if Kefka won, it'd only be because he has 4 forms vs 2. Though going from 1st to last with both, Bizzaro would own up normal Kefka without breaking a sweat. If you ever fight him without lvl 4 limit breaks, kotrt, or 3 parties, he's a bitch to defeat because of massive hp and constantly curing and he often has several turns or at least 1 for every of your characters, so he's naturally extremely fast.

We also have to consider that things like Demi and status effects won't really affect either of them because Safer is immune to all and Bizzaro most (I don't know about Kefka). Also, lets rule out the dropping to 1 hp thing, they both can use it, mostly not often, and after that its pretty much whoever hits first (Sides, it'd be anti-climatic, all that HP going to waste...)
And Sephiroth's Sin Harvest is better, look at my post. (top)
I am completely going by what everyone else says about Kefka, I don't even know if he has that Fallen One attack because it seems too much like Seph's. I also think Kefka would have problems because it seems most of his attacks are status or elemental related, and Seph also has an extreme resistance to elements (Null in KH).
Oh, and thanks Palazzo for clearing something up for me - Deen, I forgot about that.

[KingSephiroth]

Something else kinda unrelated is that Sephiroth's Sin Harvest has had alot of name's.
Fallen One
Heartless Angel
Angerl Harvest
Sin Harvest

Its weird because I've seen all these names and used several different FF7 discs in my time and not all of them are apparently the same. I go with Sin Harvest though, Sin is one of my favorite words. (I also believe it is supposed to be the correct translation, but meh)

[Palazzo]

Originally Posted by KingSephiroth

Bizzaro would own up normal Kefka without breaking a sweat. If you ever fight him without lvl 4 limit breaks, kotrt, or 3 parties, he's a bitch to defeat because of massive hp and constantly curing and he often has several turns or at least 1 for every of your characters, so he's naturally extremely fast.

To be honest, Bizzaro isn't that hard to defeat. All you need to do is concentrate all of your attacks on the body part and once that's gone, you've beaten him. He only has a lot of HP if you use KOTR against Jenova SYNTHESIS, otherwise he only has about the same HP as Kefka.

We also have to consider that things like Demi and status effects won't really affect either of them because Safer is immune to all and Bizzaro most (I don't know about Kefka).

Yeh bosses usually are, especially final bosses. I don't think Safer is immune to Darkness or Slow though.

And Sephiroth's Sin Harvest is better, look at my post. (top)

Fallen One and Revenger combined.

I am completely going by what everyone else says about Kefka, I don't even know if he has that Fallen One attack because it seems too much like Seph's.

Kefka does have Fallen One.

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/1576/fallenone0sh.jpg
http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/5784/ouch3jl.jpg

I also think Kefka would have problems because it seems most of his attacks are status or elemental related, and Seph also has an extreme resistance to elements (Null in KH).

None of the final form of Kefka's attacks are elemental or status based and only some of the other form's attacks are.

[Telegraph]

Originally Posted by KingSephiroth

I am completely going by what everyone else says about Kefka, I don't even know if he has that Fallen One attack because it seems too much like Seph's.

Yes, because everybody knows that that darned Kefka is just trying to copy Sephiroth. Why, in Kefka's final form, he even takes on the form of an angel! Just like Sephiroth! What a copycat!

I'd also like to point out that all of Kefka's forms should probably be thought of as a part of Kefka. Just as I would consider Bizarro, Safer,

Spoiler: and the final version of Sephiroth who's ass Cloud kicks

(I dunno, someone might not know this yet?) are a part of Sephiroth. So I'm pretty much viewing this as all vs. all. No final form of kefka vs. Bizarro Sephiroth.

Spoiler: Because, quite frankly, the final form of Kefka would totally own the final, final form of Sephiroth, right?

I don't really know who would win. I would have to agree with Palazzo that it would probably end in a stalemate, or something.

Wuv, Yer Mom

[KingSephiroth]

Meh, I wasn't sure about the fallen one thing, but looking at the pics reminded me because I HAVE seen it, I guess its because I didn't associate the picture >_<
But you're right, Kefka came first, so it would be Seph copying Kefka, though I was only JUST saying...
(Because I knew Seph first, and had prior knowledge before Kefka, gotta understand the context)
As for Bizzaro, I never used kotrt on Jenova, so I wouldn't know, I always had fun toying with Synthesis
Again for Bizzaro, you can't deal damage to his core, which needs to die for him to die until you've defeated every other piece, and they often revive quick and/or get healed often enough. I do believe he heals the core though occassionally, not entirely sure about that though.
I'm trying to go if you just use basic materia and melee fighting.

Spoiler: That thing with Seph fighting Cloud... He had no hp and Cloud automatically gained his limit break, not only that, when you took a hit, Cloud would do a normal attack back and still win (I also noticed no damage number comes up when he does that... Hmmm...) SE wanted Cloud to win. Its good vs. evil and good HAS to win, just like in the movie. I don't see anyone in anything else pulling anything out of their ass to win something.

[Telegraph]

Spoiler: Originally Posted by KingSephiroth Don't bring up what Cloud does to Seph, its just something SE did for the good vs. evil and good always has to win thing. Its annoying. He didn't even have hp (literally) It's still an actual battle in the game, and it is you against Sephiroth. I will bring it up if I want to, so there Maybe the actual Sephiroth; I'm not completely sold on that whole last fight actually being completely Sephiroth, without Jenova at least supporting Sephiroth a little bit...

I dunno. This seems perfectly logical to me right now. Heh.

Wuv, Yer Mom

[KingSephiroth]

Originally Posted by Telegraph

It's still an actual battle in the game, and it is you against Sephiroth. I will bring it up if I want to, so there Maybe the actual Sephiroth; I'm not completely sold on that whole last fight actually being completely Sephiroth, without Jenova at least supporting Sephiroth a little bit...

I dunno. This seems perfectly logical to me right now. Heh.

Wuv, Yer Mom

I changed my post because I needed the spoiler thing and forgot how ><
Needed it because I couldn't argue my point
Go ahead and bring it up if you want, I just think its BS.

cmon, you can't say that sephiroth is nothing against cloud at the final, final fight, and cloud kicked his butt because he didn't have jenova in him. cloud has some of the jenova cells too, right? so if both their jenova cells were removed, who would win then? of course it would be sephiroth. but then again, the good should always win, which is kind of cheesy...

[Telegraph]

Originally Posted by miggyboi

cmon, you can't say that sephiroth is nothing against cloud at the final, final fight, and cloud kicked his butt because he didn't have jenova in him. cloud has some of the jenova cells too, right? so if both their jenova cells were removed, who would win then? of course it would be sephiroth. but then again, the good should always win, which is kind of cheesy...

I think that Sephiroth might have been dead the entire game, and that you were actually fighting Jenova. Maybe. Or a combined Sephiroth/Jenova thing.

At the end of the game, Cloud did kick a lot of ass. And as far as I know, he had had the Jenova cells in him throughout the entire game, too. Including when he was at level 1 at the beginning of the game. So I don't think that Jenova was a factor in him leveling up to whatever level he gets to at the end of the game.

In any case, I don't care if it was a "cheesy good vs. evil" scenario. That's still how the game ended, and it was still the final fight against Sephiroth

Wuv, Yer Mom

Sephiroth just cuz i say so idk who would win