Polygamy In The Netherlands

[Jin]

Originally Posted by The Brussels Journal

The Netherlands and Belgium were the first countries to give full marriage rights to homosexuals. In the United States some politicians propose “civil unions” that give homosexual couples the full benefits and responsibilities of marriage. These civil unions differ from marriage only in name.

Meanwhile in the Netherlands polygamy has been legalised in all but name. Last Friday the first civil union of three partners was registered. Victor de Bruijn (46) from Roosendaal “married” both Bianca (31) and Mirjam (35) in a ceremony before a notary who duly registered their civil union.

“I love both Bianca and Mirjam, so I am marrying them both,” Victor said. He had previously been married to Bianca. Two and a half years ago they met Mirjam Geven through an internet chatbox. Eight weeks later Mirjam deserted her husband and came to live with Victor and Bianca. After Mirjam’s divorce the threesome decided to marry.

Victor: “A marriage between three persons is not possible in the Netherlands, but a civil union is. We went to the notary in our marriage costume and exchanged rings. We consider this to be just an ordinary marriage.”

Asked by journalists to tell the secret of their peculiar relationship, Victor explained that there is no jealousy between them. “But this is because Mirjam and Bianca are bisexual. I think that with two heterosexual women it would be more difficult.” Victor stressed, however, that he is “a one hundred per cent heterosexual” and that a fourth person will not be allowed into the “marriage.” They want to take their marriage obligations seriously: “to be honest and open with each other and not philander.”

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So it's happened. Apparently those who said that opening up gay marriges would lead to this were correct. However, is that so terrible? Although this thread is based on a specific event, do no be afraid to discuss polygamy in general.

Thoughts?

[Gorath Sodom]

Polygamy, Polyamory, free love, whatever you want to call it, is a wonderful thing in my opinion. People should be able to marry (or more importantly, fu<k) anybody they damn well please.

[Yuki-onna]

Yes, I feel there's a lot more freedom here in sexual preference, in the law that is.
Personally, I could never commit myself to two or more people, but if that's your bag, I don't see a problem.
Neither do I have a problem with gay marriage; I think it's great it's been legalized. Marriage is about love, right? Doesn't matter what sex. Or how many you love.

[Hecate]

I agree. And if it's all the same except for the name of it then why not just make it marriage? People marry with different ceremonies, not just christian-based in general. As long as no one tries it on me, I don't see a problem with others doing it. If they wanna be happy then let them be happy. If people bring up "It's against the bible!" Then I say screw them....THEY don't have to do it...but if others want to then by all means. Freedom isn't free anymore.

This is freaking awesome. I love the Netherlands. Legalized pot, gay marriage, and now legal threesomes. It's not my thing, but I think it's awesome for those who are into those things. Let people do what they want as long as it doesn't hurt other people.

[Faustus]

Originally Posted by Jintatsu

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So it's happened. Apparently those who said that opening up gay marriges would lead to this were correct. However, is that so terrible? Although this thread is based on a specific event, do no be afraid to discuss polygamy in general.

Thoughts?

About time Polygamy was legal somewhere. Makes me want to go to the Netherlands. But seriously its not a bad thing, unless it involved non-consensual sex people should keep their noses out of other people's sexual and marital business and quit trying to establish a universal moral standard for everyone to follow.

Well you know TIMES THEY ARE A CHANGIN'

It appears that society has decided to take that slippery slope. Just recently here in Canada the Supreme Court (the highest one in Canada) has ruled that orgies between consenting adults are acceptible.

Given this type of attitude can the "open concept" of marriage be that far away. I mean why should a couple be married to each other for 30+ years. It would be just so much better if say the were able to have oh five wives or alternately five husbands.

Oh if you missed the sarcasim in that last paragraph. This is to let you know it was there!!!!

All one has to consider is the "cults" that have used polygamy as a means for keeping women bare foot and pregnant. Of course along with that goes ill informed and uneducated.

This is really something that western societies need to adopt for sure. (Refer to red text once again!!!)

MQ

[Sasquatch]

It just keeps getting further and further into immoral. No end in sight, now. People said homosexual marriages would lead to this, and it has...you'll see people marrying animals in the next decade, I'm telling you.

Civil unions are one thing. Marriages are religious, civil unions are not. (By the way, homosexual civil unions are legal in many states in the U.S., while marriages are not.)

The main argument for homosexual "marriages" is that they want the same rights for their "partners" as we do for our spouses. I say too damn bad. But if this polygamy spreads, will the rights that go along with it spread too? How will insurance companies afford to protect a man with two or three wives?

I'm still pissed that they're forcing their views down people's throats even moreso than they accuse religious people of doing.

[Usagy]

It sounds quite interesting, the strange is that it hasn´t been on the news here in Holland at all. So I´m not entirely sure if this article is actually a fact or bullshit.
I follow the news and read a newspaper almost everyday in Holland and haven´t seen anything like this in it. I have no problems with it though. My country is ****ed up anyways already.

Peace out

Marriage

1. The legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife.
2. The state of being married; wedlock.
3. A common-law marriage.
4. A union between two persons having the customary but usually not the legal force of marriage: a same-sex marriage.
5. A wedding.
6. A close union: “the most successful marriage of beauty and blood in mainstream comics” (Lloyd Rose).

All the definitions of marriage from http://www.dictionary.com

You see, no where does it say anything about marriage being a religious ceremony. Sure, in most cases it is. But look at the very first definition. It says "The legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife." I've been trying to get this through certain individuals heads for years, that marriage is a GOVERNMENTAL union. You don't HAVE to get married in a church. If it was purely a religion function, then you would, wouldn't you? You wouldn't be allowed to be married by a judge, or in a statehouse, etc.

Of course, I know no matter what I say you will continue to think that that marriage is purely for religious reasons. Because you seem to be one of those closed minded religious people. If you aren't, please correct me and enlighten me as to what you are open minded to.

Seriously, let people do what they want. It doesn't hurt anyone else for someone to be married to 2 or 3 different people, or for someone to be married to their dog. Maybe they really love their dog, who am I to judge? Sure I think it's a bit odd, but whatever floats your boat. It really isn't that people are trying to force their viewpoints down your throat by wanting to be allowed to marry who they want, they just want the freedom to be able to do what they want to do. As long as it doesn't hurt anyone else, I'm perfectly fine with it. It's my opinion that the religious folks out there who don't want to allow gay marriage, or polygamy are the ones forcing their opinions down everyone's throats, because you're disallowing someone to do something because YOU think its wrong. And if you had actually read the article Jinatsu posted a link to, and not just the part he quoted, you'd know that this particular union is 3 people all married to each other, not one man married to two women. This is more of a "kinky" type union than the "Let's keep women down and pregnant all the time." kind.

And for the record, Mormonism, or the Church of 7th Day Adventist(I think) is not a cult. At least, not any more than any other organized religion out there. They don't even allow polygamy anymore. The Mormons that do practice polygamy are usually excommunicated from the church nowadays.

[Sasquatch]

Originally Posted by Bronwyn

You see, no where does it say anything about marriage being a religious ceremony. Sure, in most cases it is. But look at the very first definition. It says "The legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife." I've been trying to get this through certain individuals heads for years, that marriage is a GOVERNMENTAL union. You don't HAVE to get married in a church. If it was purely a religion function, then you would, wouldn't you? You wouldn't be allowed to be married by a judge, or in a statehouse, etc.

True, you don't have to get married in a church. But even if you do, you have to go to the courthouse to legalize it, get a license, etc. To the government, "marriage" is is no different than "civil union". Marriage is the religious part, civil union is the legal part. (By the way, usage defines language.) You don't have to get married in a church, but if you don't, you're getting your "civil union". If you do, you're getting your "marriage". And I sincerely disagree with the idea of recognizing anything and everything as even a civil union, as the primary rights accompanying civil unions have to do with taxes and insurance, and recognizing a civil union between more than two partners would just cost more and more money.

Because you seem to be one of those closed minded religious people.

I really, really hope you're not so ignorant as to be directing this comment at me. It's an ignorant comment in and of itself, but directing it towards me would be pushing it.

[Yuki-onna]

Nah, that was in the news here. Briefly, but it was on.
I have no life...

People marrying people, fine. It's all good.
People marrying animals, stop. I totally disagree with different species anything-in-a-sexual-manner. Sick.

Self-marriage, now there's a topic I'd like to breach.

[Sasquatch]

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