The Better man...

[King Fenii]

Me, as a person am amazed how quick people give up their beliefs and principles so fast because they think it is pointless to continue. I am also amazed at how mankind are so easily convinced to follow, opposed to leading. On this very day, leaders leading a nation of people technically equal to them don't seem to be leaders at all.

I am one of those people that believes more in mankind than in anything else. What I can't understand is...why are people so afraid? Why are people scared to say what they think. Why do they supress what they can easily express? To tell you the truth, I think this world is ridiculous. The way people act and think, is just too strict and foolish basicly. What I want to see one day, is true freedom. That man can do as he pleases without being restricted by money, or rules or things like that.

I want to see the day that, we all see eachother as friends, and that matter isn't as important as values. That there are no governments yearning for power, money or recognition. That people learn to live as individuals...responsibly. Of course, that would mean like a new world order, and it seems too late for that. But, those would be the days that people can really live. That's what it's about after all...to live.

So, now I face a dilemma of some sort. Should I give this thought up, because in theory it's pointless to continue, or should continue nonetheless? I know my answer already, so do you...But, what's your answer?

[Sasquatch]

All people doing anything and everything they want would be chaos. Anarchy doesn't work, we need order. Otherwise, we'll just end up poor, cold, and hungry. Or dead.

[King Fenii]

Well, I wasn't refering to anarchy. I was talking about total freedom. Also, freedom of money and stuff like that. We would still need some leaders, but not many, and the leaders should have to be true leaders.

Of course, I understand these concepts are so surreal and conflicting what we have today. But I'm not talking about changing goverments or policies. I'm talking about changes of mankind itself. Only then could we realise this all. That's what I wanted to discuss...

[Mistress Sheena]

You say you don't want Anarchy, but you want total freedom. Guess what? Anarchy is exactly that. Total freedom.

You basically want world peace and a utopia-like world. Well.. that's naive. Human beings don't have it inside of them to be like that. Sure a lot of people may wish for it, but certain things exist in their hearts that won't allow it. One such thing is greed. And another is lust for power. With those two things in people's hearts, then utopia is impossible.

[King Fenii]

Yes, but take away money and you take away greed. Take away control and you take away power. Taking away control means freedom. I'm not aiming for a utopia. A utopia is led more by strict rules and stuff like that. At least, in my perspective. What I would want is for people to use their intelligence to create a world free of things like power and greed.

And like I've said before...right now...that's way over our heads. Also, I believe peole DO have it inside of them to be like that. It's just a matter of taking the step of wishing for something to doing what you've wished for yourself. This whole thing is so conflicting because, you can't do this on your own, so you can only wish for it...

So, you can call me naive if I believe in man, but I know how man can be...I've seen the good sides, and also the bad sides...Should've stopped believing in them when I saw all the bad, but I chose not to, just because of those good sides...

[Asheis]

Basically, you want the people to change, but you don't want to change the reason these people are the way they are? The way our government is set up allows for greed. In fact, as soon as we stopped being hunters and gatherers, where everyone HAD to work together, and HAD to do their own share, we became at risk for the "cheaters" and the "slackers". As soon as we stopped being egalitarian and started our whole social stratification thing, exactly what you're talking about started to happen.. greed.

Until we stop being human, and stop feeling emotion, we will never be free of this corruption you're talking about.

As a matter of fact, I'm not sure I would exactly like your ideal world to come into fruition. I just feel that it would take unification. We'd all have to have the same color skin, talk the same, look the same, feel the same, and even think the same. There is NO way to accomplish that.

I like our world how it is. I don't think we'll ever have what we used to have. As long as humans are motivated by the will to survive, we will never be free of the greed, and bad feelings. It's just the way it is.

Edit: In response to taking away money, thusly taking away greed? Think again! Human greed has been around far longer than money.. and in societies where they still don't have money today, greed exists. What you are saying isn't over our heads, but rather close to impossible with the way government is set up in most countries.

[Angantyr]

This is will only work if we were truely equal in the sense that we worked together to rid all human faults, people didn't see something they wanted and couldn't have where as the people who have it will abuse it to their advantage. Multi-culturism is the biggest cause of them as even though their ideas are similar it's the little things that cause friction.

I think we could reach somewhat of a Utopia but due to differance in opinions we will never met it. Seperate people into groups where they share similarities such as apperance and intelligence, get them to work together to build the means nessacary for a better future.

[Tiffany]

Originally Posted by Inferno Mage

Yes, but take away money and you take away greed. Take away control and you take away power.

Money is not the only source of greed.

Sure, take away money. Then people (who will always be competitive with each other) will use something else to show off their worth. One person's house is better than the others. Okay fine. Have everyone in the exact same type of house. Then it could go to who's wife is better looking.

We'll always find ways to sabotage ourselves. We're a really disgusting race, when you sit down and think about it.

I see your point though, it'd be nice to do away with all these things that constantly feed our power hungry and greedy selves.

[amFu]

well said tiffany i think what your saying is a good idea inferno mage but it will never happen. to get rid of greed you would have to elimenate all forms of compettion, it is stupid but people have killed other people so they can win a game. also their will always be people who people think them self to others over little things and you can't make them change and if you just kill them your just a tirent worse than what we ahve at the mo.

if this has been said before then sorry but i haven't read hole thread (im to lazy!)

[Chez Daja]

You should really read more or all the posts in the ID threads, dude, (it makes one look smarter! )

Personally, I don't think the world could ever be "perfect"... Our personalities is what helps to wreck any, even NEAR perfect thing that we create. And Sasquatch is right, Anarchy would run wild if we were to have this "perfect world free of money and greed". Tiffany also holds an excellent point, as she pointed out that we would just attempt to show off what we would have -- just without money being in the way.

There would never be a way to erase all form of competitive nature - and if it were possible, we'd find some other way to **** up our race. Sorry for the bluntness of that, but in a way, I feel it's true.