The Boy Scouts of America: Teaching the values of Bigotry?

[Tiffany]

After watching a program that was talking about the BSC (Boy Scouts of America) it was saying that they have the right to exclude people who are either gay or don't believe in God, as it is a "private club", therefore can do what they want.

Anyone who applies to be in the boyscouts cannot be either Gay, or not believe in God. Doesn't this seem a little like passing on the hate and discrimination to the next generation of children?

I'm of the opinion that children should be taught tolerance towards people who are different, as in... you don't have to like it, and you don't have to participate in it, but don't lash out at the people who are doing it.

Originally Posted by Scouting for All Website

The Boy Scouts of America have adopted a resolution dated February 6, 2002, in which gays and atheists are deemed unfit and unacceptable role models for scout youth. Although the Boy Scouts have had an unwritten policy concerning gays, this is the first time in their 92-year history that it has become an actual resolution.

I feel that if it's a private function, then I guess they can discriminate, but the crap part is that they would recieve government funding because they are considered a "patriotic" club, therefore, they recieve government money to fund their organization, and use public land to host their jambourees.

So I guess it boils down to the fact that while gays/atheists arn't good enough (or 'morally clean' as they put it) to join their ranks, but their tax money certainly is to fund the events. I think that's a load of bullshit.

Has anyone been in the scouts? They said this adoption of practice came in around 1980 or so, I'm curious to see if people actually witnessed stuff like that, or what your opinions are on it.

Think they should be able to say who or who doesn't apply to their organization?

[Sasquatch]

If that's how you feel, then the government should also stop funding all women's organizations and minorities because they also "discriminate". While groups like the NAACP actually do discriminate, I have absolutely no problem with the concept of not letting homosexuals be scout troop leaders. Just like not letting women be boy scout troop leaders, or not letting men be girl scout troop leaders.

If you don't like it, don't "lash out" at anybody, but you don't have to associate with it.

[Toph Bei Fong]

Er.. I didn't belive in 'God', and I still got in the cubscouts. o_O;
Then again, I quit after I became a Weblos. (The rank before actual Boyscout.) So yeah... o_o
Just cause they have the 'right' to, doesn't mean they always will. I think.
This was early 90s, btw.

[Tiffany]

There's a difference between funding organizations that promote tolerance towards other people. The organizations you're talking about (while are for certain groups) don't advocate distolerance of other people base only on their sexual orientation, or religious belief.

If there was a woman's group that said "No lesbians or atheiests" than I wouldn't support it either. Nor would I support a minority group that stated that only IT'S race should be around.

So fine, you don't disagree with gay people being scout leaders. Men being girl scout leaders, women being boy scout leaders. But what about athiests? A man atheist cannot be a boy scout leader because he doesn't believe in God?

Besides, I'm not talking about letting men/women into the other sect. I'm talking about goverment funding for an organization that doesn't approve of those. So it's not okay for gays/atheiests to join. Fine then. don't let them join. But to use their tax dollars? That's crap.

Again, I wouldn't support ANY group that encouraged hate agaist any racial/sexual/religious orientation. I'm not sure where you got from my post that I did.

[Chez Daja]

Bleh, I think it's disgusting. There shouldn't be any groups that discriminate, or at least, not well-known orgasnizations. Small-time, harmless and private clubs I have nothing against. But isn't this like saying that gay people and non-believers are a "lower" form of life then straight and believers in God?

Ew. Seriously.

Using tax money for a group that discriminates... well, what if these people paying taxes are non-believers, and/or gay? Lemme get this straight... You'll take their money, but won't let their kids/little brothers/young male relatives join? Well done, Boy Scouts; what a bunch of ****ing hypocrites...

[Asheis]

Bit of a question..

Do they consider "atheists" people who aren't christian?

[Plastik Assassin]

I said this before many times...

They obviously have the legal authority to discriminate whoever they want. That happens sometimes. Deal with it.

Not every group and organization in the entire world is going to bend over and take it in the dumper just because a couple people don't agree with their agenda. Some groups will remain exclusive no matter how much you bitch...

Instead of complaining about it, get off your ass and write a letter to someone in charge. That will do more damge than crying on a message board.

[Angantyr]

No offense but Why the hell do people get offended over stuff like this? Seriously if they don't want to let certain people in for special reasons then that is their choice, its not discrimination its just what they don't want. I hate homosexuallity and I think its complete rubbish that people should tolerate it, I think Aids is a way of saying "you shouldn't be doing that!" and if you're going to have a bunch of boys in the same area I don't think having faggots there is a good idea. All though I dispise Christianity, I still think they have every right to put those rules in place.

Tiffany - I think you are cool and all but this thread is an example of how hopes of so called Equality to be put in place. Rules are put in there for a reason, could you Imagine if the rest of the world was running around rampant with homosexuals with their pants hanging down bragging about how big their phallus is whilst the world lies in ruins? I am sorry but I don't want to go there but thats what will happen if we don't put rules in place.. Think how messy this forum would be if we were aloud to say what ever we want in this forum.

[Tiffany]

Originally Posted by Plastic Assassin

They obviously have the legal authority to discriminate whoever they want. That happens sometimes. Deal with it.

Again, you're missing the point. I'm not saying they don't have the right to discriminate against people. IF it's a PRIVATE club. What we're talking about is the fact that they want public government funding to do this.

Originally Posted by Asheis

Bit of a question..

Do they consider "atheists" people who aren't christian?

I guess you're not familiar with the term athiest. An Athiest is someone who doesn't believe in god. So to answer your question: Yes, they consider people who are arn't christian to be athiests.

Originally Posted by Odin

No offense but Why the hell do people get offended over stuff like this? Seriously if they don't want to let certain people in for special reasons then that is their choice, its not discrimination its just what they don't want. I hate homosexuallity and I think its complete rubbish that people should tolerate it, I think Aids is a way of saying "you shouldn't be doing that!" and if you're going to have a bunch of boys in the same area I don't think having faggots there is a good idea. All though I dispise Christianity, I still think they have every right to put those rules in place.

Tiffany - I think you are cool and all but this thread is an example of how hopes of so called Equality to be put in place. Rules are put in there for a reason, could you Imagine if the rest of the world was running around rampant with homosexuals with their pants hanging down bragging about how big their phallus is whilst the world lies in ruins? I am sorry but I don't want to go there but thats what will happen if we don't put rules in place.. Think how messy this forum would be if we were aloud to say what ever we want in this forum.

Wow. I used to think you were cool too, until I read that lmao.

First of all, I'm surprised at how as soon as people see the word "tolerance" and "homosexuals" in the same line and automatically assume the worst. Did you even read what I wrote?

Here. I'll requote myself from another post

Originally Posted by Tiffany

I'm talking about goverment funding for an organization that doesn't approve of those. So it's not okay for gays/atheiests to join. Fine then. don't let them join. But to use their tax dollars? That's crap.

Are you seeing where I'm comming from now? I'm not saying they don't have the right to discriminate. What I'm saying, is that if they want to be able to do that, then at least go to privitized funding to get their money to do so. Otherwise, don't tax atheiests and homosexuals.

Originally Posted by Odin

Rules are put in there for a reason, could you Imagine if the rest of the world was running around rampant with homosexuals with their pants hanging down bragging about how big their phallus is whilst the world lies in ruins?

Double Wow. That is by far, THE most disgusting thing I have ever read on an internet forum, and that's saying something. I'm sorry that you feel that talking about a little tolerance is going to end up with gay men running around with their pants down showing everyone how big their cocks are.

Are you for real? lmao.

It's Illegal for anyone to be running around naked. So what makes you think that by not hating someone for their sexual orientation is going to cause the end of the world?

LMFAO.

And thank you Chez, for being one of the few who can look past the word "homosexual" to see what my topic was really about. lol

[Sasquatch]

The point is, the Boy Scouts have a valid point. They don't want women or gay men supervising groups of young boys. Just like how the Girl Scouts don't want men or lesbian women (I would assume, I haven't heard any stances on this) leading groups of young girls. Not that something bad would happen, but it's much easier to decrease the risk when they don't let somebody who is attracted to males (be they homosexual males or normal females) be in that position. As for Athiests -- the Boy Scouts is a Christian group, it only makes sense for them to only want Christians (or at least people who aren't anti-religious) leading them.

It's a shame how people have problems with not letting homosexuals supervise young boys, yet remain silent when colleges and employers discriminate in favor of minorities and against white males. If you want to cut government funding for the Boy Scouts, also cut it for the NAACP and ACLU.

Why would anyone want to join boy scouts anyway?

Isn't in mandatory for the scoutmaster to be gay?

Here's what I think, people like them give christians a bad name, but I guarentee you that if it was an organazation of homosexual atheists descriminating hetrosexual christians, then nobody would care. People have some urge to blame it on us and throw a pity party for gays and atheists.

It's also kind of unfair debating about this since we seem to have a disgusting amount of atheists on this forum. I do not agree with descrimination of any kind, based on sex, race, color, religion, etc. but I feel that anytime that gays are descriminated then everyone else all of a sudden becomes oh so ignorant; the scum of the earth. However, if it were the other way around, I feel that not nearly as many people would give it a second thought.

[Angantyr]

Oh put it this way, I live in New Zealand which has 1 of the highest tax rates in the entire world, also there is a race here known as Maoris, first of all I'd like to point out that their race mixed so much that there is no more full-blooded maori's left, but the funny thing is there is heaps of Organizations funded by our Government which is strictly for Maoris only! Now that's what I find discriminating, but we can't do anything about it cause the Maoris will go like the Indian-americans and cry about how the mean old Europeans stole their land even though not only our ancestors, but THEIR ancestors traded it for stuff though wasn't really worth much, still happened 100 year