Revalations

I am a christian and am currently reading the bible. I have read revalations, the last book, which is about prophecy. Written by John he was taken to heaven and witnessed the future. I have a feeling that it may already be happening the steps to the apocalypse.

With what i am about to say is not what will happen soon but might be happening. It says before the trumpets sound that two beasts will appear on the earth. One being from the sea another from the land. One an empire another a false messiah. Now this empire will use the beasts number 666 and put it in peoples heads and right hands and it will control the ability to buy things. The reason i think this is happening is this. And it is ever so subtle. Go to anything you have bought or going to buy and look at the back or the bottom and you should be able to see a bar code. Now look at it closely and you should be able to see two lines on the left, centre and right. On the bottom of barcodes you can see numbers now those numbers designate what the line above it means. If there is a six on your barcode you can see that it designates that it is the number of the two lines on the left, centre and right. Combined this makes the number 666.

Seeing as barcodes are the things we use to buy things eletronicly. is it coincidence that it seems exactly the thing that revalations is telling us what is going to happen? Does this give proof that god exists? does this mean that the date 06/06/06 is going to have some meaning? Does this mean we are getting close to armageddon?

Especially when you look at the news at what Iran is doing. Thier president thinks that their messiah is coming soon and it will be time for them to control the world. Are they the two beasts that the bible warns us about? It says that the false messiah will show power with fire and many will sway to him and that followers of god will be persecuted. It says in the bible that the day of reckoning will happen in the dawn of the third era. 0-1000ad 1st era
1000-2000ad 2nd era 2000-... 3rd era. And also some people belive that christ was born in 6ad which means that the dawn of the 3rd era will infact be 2006. Could this be a false alarm? Probably Could the day of reckoning be in our lifetimes? Probably Could it happen in the future? Probably What we christians do know for sure is that we dont know exactly when it will happen all we know is that it will happen and we should be prepared for it when it does.

[Omega]

Interesting.

Well I'm on my first trip through the Bible right now and I'm in the very last book, which is of course Revelation. I'm excited actually because I don't know many people at all, that have ever gone the whole way through the book.

Anywayz I won't say anything you've said is wrong because while I think that only one interpretation is probably correct, how am I to say who is and is not correct?

I don't think I would agree on the bar code thing, it's a nice numerical and symbolic connection, but I interpretated the bible saying that the devil or whatnot would come and try to brand everyone with his number of 666 on there foreheads. This is during the 7 years of pain or whatever until Jesus Christ comes and annihilates him. During this 7 year period those who take his number will suffer with him on the day of judgement and those who don't will be executed or killed.

I don't really understand how that goes in lieu with money, but if that is true, I would think more along the lines of one company basically reaping all the profits and then damaging the economy that way. Perhaps another depression, I don't know.

If 30 days is all we have left, then I'm ok with that, God's will be done. Complaining, arguing, or fighting it isn't going to change anything. But I dunno if I'd put my gambles on this, as I just don't know.

Lastly the concept of Jesus being born in AD 6 is what I'd strongly disagree with. Simply because it doesn't make any sense at all, BC stands for Before Christ and AD stands for After Death. All of history at least recorded by our nation is set on that timescale. With that said AD started...when Jesus Died.

Interesting concepts though, and Revelation is the hardest book to understand in the bible.

[Removed]

I think Jesus was actually born in 4 BC according to most scholars because of matching up the time with the reign of King Herod and such.

And if Revelations are about the future, what's happened to free will if the future's been predetermined for the last two thousand years?

[TomStrife]

Jesus was not born in 4 BC seeing as BC stands for "Before Christ" and AD is a latin phrase meaning "The Year of Our Lord" so I think Jesus was born in 1 AD exactly.

I am a Christian to as many people know and flame me for, and I do agree the end times are on the horizon but the Bible says no one will know.

I`m curious to see if June 6, 2006 has a tie with sometihng such as the birth or start of reign of the AntiChrist. Very interesting.

[Removed]

Dude, Herod died in 4BC, that's an established fact.

There's been loads of research by theologians, scholars and other people that have calculated times for Jesus to have been born and such, by matching up historical accounts that were presented in the Bible such as Herod's reign.

"Though Jesus's birth is celebrated on December 25, and dated to the start of 1AD (there is no year 0), most scholars agree that it is unlikely he was actually born on this date. Luke's mention of a census and Matthew's of Herod the Great and a Star of Bethlehem help fix the dating, and the most plausible time of year is early September or late March. The census that Luke speaks of is almost universally identified with that of Quirinius, who conducted a census of Judea in 6 or 7 AD. Unfortunately Herod died in 4BC, making it somewhat impossible for the accounts of Matthew and Luke to agree."

By the way - AD means "Anno Domini"

[Omega]

Originally Posted by Phat Chocobo

And if Revelations are about the future, what's happened to free will if the future's been predetermined for the last two thousand years?

I'll comment on this. I don't see the connection between the two. You say the future has been predetermined so therefore we have no free will. It's not a sound theory, I have a choice here, I could shit my pants or go to the toilet right? I mean, most likely you know i'll go, but I COULD shit my pants if I wanted to.

I think you need to view it another way, I'm not saying your wrong, but please hear my concept. I think with God being an "omnipotent" being that it isn't that we don't have free will, WE DO, but God is beyond any intelligence we could fathom and therefore already knows what we'll choose.

I mean come on, you hear of people that can read minds all the time, or all those people talking to spirits, like that one famous chick that comes on the Montel show. Well if people can see the future or the past now, with some kind of clairvoyance or clairaudience, or whatev, that we don't understand.

Why can't God do it? Since he was the lord of all creation, and created the humans that can do it. Nostradamus anyone?

Yes Lord, you were right, I'm going to the toilet now...



Lastly, Anno Domino sounds latin, is it any coincedence though that its BC and AD, I've never heard it called anything other than Before Christ or After Death. But I suppose there not only is a scientific name for them, but also perhaps titles for other countries that are not Christian.

[Kimmy37]

December 25th was taken from a Pagan holiday to make it easier for them to convert. Same goes with Easter, I believe.

There are many signs that have already come to pass, such as Israel becoming a nation in one day (1945). The anti-Christ will be the person to draw a 7 year peace treaty between Israel and her enemies. That's how we will know who he is. I think he's also supposed to be of middle-Eastern decent.

There are supposed to be many earthquakes in the end times. (Check the news. It's happening.) All of the signs are supposed to be appearing closer and closer together like birth paings. They seem to be getting closer to me, so I'd have to say it's near. Of course, it could be 1000 years from now, but the Bible says it will be like in the days of Saudam and Gamora, and I'd say it's pretty close.

As for 6/6/06, I personally think it'll be just another day, but definitely not the end. Too many people are expecting it, and the Bible says it'll be the least expected time. We can't possibly pinpoint a date.

Anyway, this is just kinda on the side, but I'm reallllly hoping for a pre-Tribulation (the 7 years of woe) rapture.

[TomStrife]

Originally Posted by Phat Chocobo

1)Dude, Herod died in 4BC, that's an established fact.


2) By the way - AD means "Anno Domini"

1) You are correct on that part therefore I was indeed incorrect.

2) Yes, I know. "Anno Domini" translates to "The Year of our Lord".

[Tiffany]

I remember being told in Sunday School that no one will be able to predict the time when the rapture (christ's return to earth) will commence.

I started thinking that all it would take is for one person each day to think "Today's the day!" and it'll never happen lol

[TomStrife]

It WILL happen. But no one knows when it will.

[Kimmy37]

There probably will be one or two people suspecting it, 'cause it's supposed to be the least expected time, but I doubt it'll be anything like, "RIGHT THIS INSTANT IS THE RAPTURE!" I think i'll probably be along the lines of, "Mmmm... Soon... Maybe toda-- Um, wow... Hello, Heaven."

[Jin]

I'm sorry, but I really don't think that any appocalypse will happen. It's possible, yes, but I really don't think that the bible has proven itself enough to me for me to be concerned at all about this supposed rapture. As for your bar code theory...that sounds like a conspiracy theory fetured in various B movies.

[Omega]

Originally Posted by Jintatsu

I'm sorry, but I really don't think that any appocalypse will happen. It's possible, yes, but I really don't think that the bible has proven itself enough to me for me to be concerned at all about this supposed rapture. As for your bar code theory...that sounds like a conspiracy theory fetured in various B movies.

In English this says:

"I'm not sure if I believe in God or not, and I sure am not convinced that the Bible is true or not, even though proof would detract from the concept of faith. So in reality if I am unsure of my faith in God or the Bible, then no...why would I believe in an Apocalypse related to the bible"

....You might think I'm being a smartass but in reality, I don't even know why the hell you posted then.

It's ok for you to think what you do, but...what the hell, why post if you don't believe in any of it???

You probably just wanted to make an Antichrist Superstar statement....ladies and gentlemen, the theories have come true...Jintatsu is the next Anti-Christ.

mwahahaha