The Final Fantasy Forums  

Go Back   The Final Fantasy Forums > Member Lounge > Intellectual Discussion

Intellectual Discussion In this forum, intelligently discuss anything that can expand the mind.

View Poll Results: Do You with Abortion
Yes 15 36.59%
No 16 39.02%
Can`t Decide 10 24.39%
Voters: 41. You may not vote on this poll

Closed Thread
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 04-03-2006, 04:26 PM Level: 29   HP: 136 / 712
TomStrife's HPTomStrife's HP
  EXP: 51%
TomStrife's XPTomStrife's XP
  #1 (permalink)
The Master of Strife
 
TomStrife's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: The Ever-Enchanted Land of Noisemaking where our only means of survival is Metal!

   Posts    1,135
        
Gil: 26,814.12

TomStrife has levelled up - (lv 1)
Abortion: Do you Agree or Not?

I am not going to share my opinion until after someone makes a post. I don`t want a post of my opinion to just fall to the bottom of the abyss of threads with no responses.
__________________
Remember kids, internet debates are just like the special olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.

My Band:

www.purevolume.com/onthewingsofvictory
www.myspace.com/onthewingsofvictory
TomStrife is offline       
 
 
Old 04-03-2006, 04:43 PM Level: 58   HP: 1446 / 1446
Chez Daja's HPChez Daja's HP
  EXP: 84%
Chez Daja's XPChez Daja's XP
  #2 (permalink)
.Hippy With A Heart Of Gold.
 
Chez Daja's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: A hamsters' tummy.

   Posts    7,371
        
Gil: 1,351,229.35

Chez Daja has mastered Ultima - (lv 10)Chez Daja has mastered Ultima - (lv 10)Chez Daja has mastered Ultima - (lv 10)Chez Daja has mastered Ultima - (lv 10)Chez Daja has mastered Ultima - (lv 10)Chez Daja has mastered Ultima - (lv 10)Chez Daja has mastered Ultima - (lv 10)Chez Daja has mastered Ultima - (lv 10)Chez Daja has mastered Ultima - (lv 10)Chez Daja has mastered Ultima - (lv 10)
Long answer: We've had many threads about this in the past, and no, I don't agree with abortion.

Even a small "blob" of almost nothing can feel the needle as it's "life" is taken away. I know I'm going to get bashed for this answer, but no. Now, I know we all have to think about the rape victims. Carrying a baby from a rapist for nine month after conception? I could never imagine it.

I know personally though, if I was to get pregnant, by say, my boyfriend, I could not give our child up. Why? I know it'd effect me for the rest of my life. It's my body and I'll deal with the stress it undergoes.

I know women who have had abortions and regretted it, that isn't to say some other women don't regret it. I just personally don't agree with it.

Short answer: no.
__________________
"I hate my fellow-man." - W.S. Gilbert.



Döende man lever inte mer / Kroppen lämnar plats åt fler / Släkter av människa skall ruttna
Sorg, glädje känslor äro gjutna

i hav tff family kk?


Chez Daja is offline       
 
 
Old 04-03-2006, 04:51 PM Level: 27   HP: 137 / 662
Sasquatch's HPSasquatch's HP
  EXP: 48%
Sasquatch's XPSasquatch's XP
  #3 (permalink)
Doing what you can't.
 
Sasquatch's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Central Wisconsin

   Posts    957
        
Gil: 25,942.20

Sasquatch jumps rope with Freya - (lv 5)Sasquatch jumps rope with Freya - (lv 5)Sasquatch jumps rope with Freya - (lv 5)Sasquatch jumps rope with Freya - (lv 5)
I think most people know what I'm gonna say here. I see no amount of "convenience" that's worth the life of a child. When fingerprints, heartbeats, and conscious responses form within a few weeks, there's no reasonable denial that it's a human life.

I don't have a problem with birth control, though. The way I see it, if you're "responsible" and "mature" enough to have sex, then you should be responsible and mature enough to have "safe" sex, and if you don't, you should be responsible and mature enough to deal with the consequences. Give birth, and if you can't raise it, give it up for adoption.

The only -- I repeat, only -- case where I would support the choice of an abortion is if the mother's life would be in danger if the child was carried to full term. But that's very rare.

The most common excuse, that I've seen anyway, is that abortions are mainly for teenage girls who wouldn't be able to support the child. This isn't true, first off. Second, that doesn't mean the child should pay with his or her life. There are four times as many couples waiting to adopt in America than women that have abortions, there's absolutely no reason the mother shouldn't give birth and give the baby up for adoption.

EDIT: Chez mentioned rape victims. While I still think it's no excuse to kill the baby, I can't imagine the emotional trauma the woman would be going through for the entire term. I would still say to carry it to full term and give it up for adoption, but I would sympathize with the mother, and understand if she wanted the abortion. (Wouldn't agree with it, but at least understand the motives.)
__________________

Sig courtesy of Plastik Assassin.


In Honored Memory

SPC Thomas Day Caughman
3rd PLT A Co. 458 En. Bn.
Baghdad, Iraq

CPL Steven Shannon
1st PLT C Co. 397 En., TF 321
Ramadi, Iraq

Last edited by Sasquatch; 04-03-2006 at 04:54 PM.
Sasquatch is offline       
 
Sponsored Links
 
Old 04-03-2006, 04:53 PM Level: 58   HP: 1446 / 1446
Chez Daja's HPChez Daja's HP
  EXP: 84%
Chez Daja's XPChez Daja's XP
  #4 (permalink)
.Hippy With A Heart Of Gold.
 
Chez Daja's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: A hamsters' tummy.

   Posts    7,371
        
Gil: 1,351,229.35

Chez Daja has mastered Ultima - (lv 10)Chez Daja has mastered Ultima - (lv 10)Chez Daja has mastered Ultima - (lv 10)Chez Daja has mastered Ultima - (lv 10)Chez Daja has mastered Ultima - (lv 10)Chez Daja has mastered Ultima - (lv 10)Chez Daja has mastered Ultima - (lv 10)Chez Daja has mastered Ultima - (lv 10)Chez Daja has mastered Ultima - (lv 10)Chez Daja has mastered Ultima - (lv 10)
I agree with everything this smart guy just said.

__________________
"I hate my fellow-man." - W.S. Gilbert.



Döende man lever inte mer / Kroppen lämnar plats åt fler / Släkter av människa skall ruttna
Sorg, glädje känslor äro gjutna

i hav tff family kk?


Chez Daja is offline       
 
 
Old 04-03-2006, 05:08 PM Level: -INF   HP: NAN / -INF
cheesevixen's HPcheesevixen's HP
  EXP: NAN%
cheesevixen's XPcheesevixen's XP
  #5 (permalink)
cheesevixen
Guest
 


   Posts    n/a
        
Gil: 0 [Check]


I say no...I think it is wrong to tell someone that they can not live, thus not giving the baby a chance to speak for itself. In this country we thrive on the freedom of choice an speech.....killing a human being defies both choice an the freedom of an individual...Would you like someone to kill you if you were not a tribute to society....an could not speak up for yoursef?

I believe women have a choice though, but the question was if "I "think it is right....No I do not. Baby's are humans an precious beings that it is are responsibility to nurture.

Not only that, but I def. agree with the idea that you can have a baby an at least put it up for adoption! It may be hard if you are a rape case, but some women go through that during pregnancy whether or not they are in heaven or not. Even after...It is possible to hang on.

Last edited by cheesevixen; 04-03-2006 at 05:15 PM.
      
 
 
Old 04-03-2006, 05:41 PM Level: 66   HP: 1630 / 1636
LocoColt04's HPLocoColt04's HP
  EXP: 47%
LocoColt04's XPLocoColt04's XP
  #6 (permalink)
Head Administrator
 
LocoColt04's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Mount Olympus

   Posts    10,727
        
Gil: 2,304,462.77

LocoColt04 has mastered Ultima - (lv 10)LocoColt04 has mastered Ultima - (lv 10)LocoColt04 has mastered Ultima - (lv 10)LocoColt04 has mastered Ultima - (lv 10)LocoColt04 has mastered Ultima - (lv 10)LocoColt04 has mastered Ultima - (lv 10)LocoColt04 has mastered Ultima - (lv 10)LocoColt04 has mastered Ultima - (lv 10)LocoColt04 has mastered Ultima - (lv 10)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasquatch
I would still say to carry it to full term and give it up for adoption, but I would sympathize with the mother, and understand if she wanted the abortion. (Wouldn't agree with it, but at least understand the motives.)
To me, that's my opinion regardless of whether it was rape, voluntary, or whatever.

PERSONALLY, I think abortion is wrong and would never support it. If someone came to me asking my opinion, I would certainly advise her to go through with the pregnancy, and attempt to raise the child (or at least give it up for adoption).

POLITICALLY, I am pro-choice, because I also feel that I have no right to tell someone what he or she can and cannot do when it's not an illegal act.
__________________

75 {Can I have it?}

SOLDIER's back, babeh.
LocoColt04 is offline       
 
 
Old 04-03-2006, 06:04 PM Level: 38   HP: 295 / 930
Jin's HPJin's HP
  EXP: 22%
Jin's XPJin's XP
  #7 (permalink)
Jin
Scribe of the Tao
 
Jin's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: We beat seals.

   Posts    2,182
        
Gil: 846,350.71

Jin successfully stole from Locke - (lv 7)Jin successfully stole from Locke - (lv 7)Jin successfully stole from Locke - (lv 7)Jin successfully stole from Locke - (lv 7)Jin successfully stole from Locke - (lv 7)Jin successfully stole from Locke - (lv 7)
This has always been a difficult topic for me. I try to find a gray area, because I abhore black and white situations, but there is very little room for that on this topic. I feel that up until a certain point, abortion is not different than using the morning after pill. After that though, there's really no way around the fact that you are killing a human. I do make the exception at rape victims though. At that point, I feel much more for the woman than the potential human. Insensitive? Perhaps, but that's the way it goes.
__________________
Tribute to the Romans

Emperors of Rome: Tetrarchy

~LIII~



Constantine: r. 306 - 337; Founder of the Christian Empire.

CATO MINOR . GERMANICVS . AGRIPPA . GAIVS MARIVS . SCIPIO AFRICANVS . GRACCHI . MARCVS ANTONIVS . SVLLA . TACITVS . CICERO . GALBA . OTHO . VITELLIVS . VESPASIANVS . TITVS . DOMITIANVS . CRASSVS . PLINIVS MAJOR . CASSIVS LONGINVS . AELIVS SEIANUS . IVLIVS CAESAR . POMPEIVS MAGNVS . AVGVSTVS . TIBERIVS . CALIGVLA . CLAVDIVS . NERO . MARCVS BRVTVS . LEPIDVS . PLINIVS MINOR . LIVIVS . NERVA . TRAIANVS . HADRIANVS . ANTONINVS PIVS . MARCVS AVRELIVS . COMMODVS . PERTINAX . DIDIVS IVLIANVS . SEPTIMIVS SEVERVS . CARACALLA . MACRINVS . ELAGABALVS . SEVERVS ALEXANDER . MAXIMUS THRAX . JVLIVS PHILIPPVS . DECIVS . VALERIANVS . GALLIENVS . CLAVDIVS GOTHICVS . AVRELIANVS . DIOCLETIANVS . CONSTANTINVS
Jin is offline       
 
 
Old 04-03-2006, 06:11 PM Level: -INF   HP: NAN / -INF
cheesevixen's HPcheesevixen's HP
  EXP: NAN%
cheesevixen's XPcheesevixen's XP
  #8 (permalink)
cheesevixen
Guest
 


   Posts    n/a
        
Gil: 0 [Check]

Cool

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jintatsu
I feel that up until a certain point, abortion is not different than using the morning after pill. After that though, there's really no way around the fact that you are killing a human.
I completely agree with this fact that most people seem to miss. Any kind of contraceptive can be seen as that, but those seem to more acceptable in our society that killing the thing on the monitor...either or. People that "go out of their way" to yell at these women that have had abortions........they have to "not" be using any kind of contraceptive to have a voice enough to actually say anything. Abortion are just as harsh..an yes it is a persinla choice...you either kill it before anyone judges you or no..that is all it comes down to. All for choice, but it is just not mine.I am not downing contraceptive though.

Last edited by cheesevixen; 04-03-2006 at 06:15 PM.
      
 
 
Old 04-03-2006, 06:47 PM Level: -INF   HP: NAN / -INF
Robot Raged's HPRobot Raged's HP
  EXP: NAN%
Robot Raged's XPRobot Raged's XP
  #9 (permalink)
Robot Raged
Guest
 


   Posts    n/a
        
Gil: 0 [Check]

This is what I think "Abortion sucks" I mean all people care about is the " fun part" about making a baby and when they have to deliver it there like ow I'll just kill my baby, bottom line is that I think abortion sucks and really messed up.
      
 
 
Old 04-03-2006, 06:49 PM Level: 31   HP: 224 / 758
hellbred's HPhellbred's HP
  EXP: 33%
hellbred's XPhellbred's XP
  #10 (permalink)
ad astra per aspera
 
hellbred's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Atlanta, GA

   Posts    1,315
        
Gil: 140,066.99

hellbred takes classes from Quistis - (lv 2)
Quote:
Originally Posted by LocoColt
PERSONALLY, I think abortion is wrong and would never support it. If someone came to me asking my opinion, I would certainly advise her to go through with the pregnancy, and attempt to raise the child (or at least give it up for adoption).

POLITICALLY, I am pro-choice, because I also feel that I have no right to tell someone what he or she can and cannot do when it's not an illegal act.
I share the same view. Pro-choice all the way, but I guess sometimes I feel sympathetic to a female who is raped and becomes pregnant. Chances are they would give up the baby for adoption, if they weren't going to have an abortion... I wouldn't see why someone would want to keeo a child they knew was produced from being raped... then again, I could never be pregnant so maybe the mother would form a special feeling for the baby anyways.

Regardless, I feel abortion isn't right -- it's not really our place to end a life. I've had friends and ex-girlfriends who were adopted and are some of the most amazing people I've ever met... if the mothers decided to just abort them I would have never met them, and frankly I think my life would be a lot different than it is now.
__________________



hellbred is offline       
 
 
Old 04-03-2006, 06:50 PM Level: 38   HP: 295 / 930
Jin's HPJin's HP
  EXP: 22%
Jin's XPJin's XP
  #11 (permalink)
Jin
Scribe of the Tao
 
Jin's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: We beat seals.

   Posts    2,182
        
Gil: 846,350.71

Jin successfully stole from Locke - (lv 7)Jin successfully stole from Locke - (lv 7)Jin successfully stole from Locke - (lv 7)Jin successfully stole from Locke - (lv 7)Jin successfully stole from Locke - (lv 7)Jin successfully stole from Locke - (lv 7)
Quote:
Originally Posted by robot raged
This is what I think "Abortion sucks" I mean all people care about is the " fun part" about making a baby and when they have to deliver it there like ow I'll just kill my baby, bottom line is that I think abortion sucks and really messed up
It's quite ignorant to say that every abortion case involves only people that didn't care about protection during sex and now don't want to live with the consequences. Abortion, in my humble opinion, has to be taken on a case to case bases. After all, how can you say no if you don't know the reason why?
__________________
Tribute to the Romans

Emperors of Rome: Tetrarchy

~LIII~



Constantine: r. 306 - 337; Founder of the Christian Empire.

CATO MINOR . GERMANICVS . AGRIPPA . GAIVS MARIVS . SCIPIO AFRICANVS . GRACCHI . MARCVS ANTONIVS . SVLLA . TACITVS . CICERO . GALBA . OTHO . VITELLIVS . VESPASIANVS . TITVS . DOMITIANVS . CRASSVS . PLINIVS MAJOR . CASSIVS LONGINVS . AELIVS SEIANUS . IVLIVS CAESAR . POMPEIVS MAGNVS . AVGVSTVS . TIBERIVS . CALIGVLA . CLAVDIVS . NERO . MARCVS BRVTVS . LEPIDVS . PLINIVS MINOR . LIVIVS . NERVA . TRAIANVS . HADRIANVS . ANTONINVS PIVS . MARCVS AVRELIVS . COMMODVS . PERTINAX . DIDIVS IVLIANVS . SEPTIMIVS SEVERVS . CARACALLA . MACRINVS . ELAGABALVS . SEVERVS ALEXANDER . MAXIMUS THRAX . JVLIVS PHILIPPVS . DECIVS . VALERIANVS . GALLIENVS . CLAVDIVS GOTHICVS . AVRELIANVS . DIOCLETIANVS . CONSTANTINVS
Jin is offline       
 
 
Old 04-03-2006, 06:55 PM Level: 31   HP: 224 / 758
hellbred's HPhellbred's HP
  EXP: 33%
hellbred's XPhellbred's XP
  #12 (permalink)
ad astra per aspera
 
hellbred's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Atlanta, GA

   Posts    1,315
        
Gil: 140,066.99

hellbred takes classes from Quistis - (lv 2)
I've heard on the radio talkshows that of post-abortion women somewhere in the 90 percentile regret it, and another 45-50% become suicidal. Kind of sad.
__________________



hellbred is offline       
 
 
Old 04-03-2006, 07:32 PM Level: 32   HP: 102 / 776
.EcKS.'s HP.EcKS.'s HP
  EXP: 7%
.EcKS.'s XP.EcKS.'s XP
  #13 (permalink)