Bonemail

[Omega]

I am curious to know if anyone actually has a strategy to use this armor in the game effectively. I mean it is hella strong for the most part of the game, or at least the midsections of it. The problem lies in the fact that you can't heal or bring the character out of KO state in battle while wearing the armor. I can't think of any spell aside from an enemy using Drain on the character equipped with this to actually regain HP.

I did have a thought though but have not experimented with it yet. What if you used the Bonemail with the Hex Ring, when the time runs out and it casts Doom on the player, assuming the time did run out, wouldn't you be put to full health again??? Considering you are undead while you are wearing the Bonemail??

I dunno, I might test this theory soon, but otherwise is there anyother strategies that you can think of???

Oh....and don't say healing with the Hunter's !Critt Ability because Nightingale and other moves still damage and not heal the character with the Bonemail equipped.

[Angel of Death]

I never knew doom could do that. It just auto kills you, not take away all the health. It's a death spell, but it just takes longer.

[Omega]

Originally Posted by Angel of Death

I never knew doom could do that. It just auto kills you, not take away all the health. It's a death spell, but it just takes longer.

Well Doom is instantaneous death, however the Hex Ring creates a 50 second counter, so it's like a Gradual or Slow Death in comparison to a direct casting of Doom. However the effects are the same and I'm wondering if this would fully replenish your HP in this case, since the Bonemail is making you undead.

It's like killing The Damned or any other undead with the Assassin Knife which sometimes kills it's target with Doom. If it's undead it dies and comes back to life again instantaneously with full HP. I've seen it happen, therefore I'm wondering if the same applies in this scenario.

I'm going to test this theory later I think and post back the info.

Yes do that because I'm curious on the matter myself, I remember in FFVI using the Assassin knife with someone ad the monster kept coming back I had no idea what was going on it drove me insane.

[Omega]

Well since you read and posted in my other thread, you know that I've been fighting Stingray's. Well they have around 33 thousand HP. So I did try it in a battle against him. The Hex Ring/Bonemail combo.

Unfortunately it doesn't work like I thought. It simply kills you and does not give you a chance to revive yourself, which is total bullshit. Nor does it auto-revive like when you Doom an undead enemy.

My next idea is to try the Bonemail with the Blood Sword. As it seems one of the few ways possible to actually replenish HP while wearing that armor. It does state in an online FAQ that the Bonemail absorbs Poison damage. Possibly if I casted Bio on the character wearing the armor it will replenish HP then. I am going to test these theories to see if there is a way to make this armor more effective and again...I'll let ya know.

Bio, thats interesting I never would have thought of that, keep me informed of your progress. Especially with the blodd sword, I'm guessing if most of the rules are the same the blood sword will end up hurting yourself. You've rekindled my intrest in the game I think I'll start a new game..

[Angel of Death]

Well, the blood sword heals you.

Healing+curse=bad

But try the bio thing.

IIRC, when I faced Gilgame for the first time, I used the blood sword S-strike combo on it. It healed it and injured me!!! Stay away from the blood sword!

[Omega]

Yes I hear what you say, however when an enemy or ally of yours uses Drain on an undead enemy, the enemy ALWAYS gets the HP. So since you wearing the Bonemail would make you undead, than I wonder if you would always get HP from the Blood Sword, even against monsters that technically should take HP from you in the case of using the Drain Sword.

It's kind of a catch 22 and might produce an odd effect of 0 damage, since both parties are supposed to get the HP.

I dunno I haven't tested it yet because I don't currently have a character in a job to use the sword, but I'll check it and post back soon.

This is becoming a complex matter lets try to fill in these blanks;

Without 'undead' staus:
Blood Sword Vs Living >> Heals you damages them
Blood Sword Vs Undead >> Damages you heals them
Death Vs Living(enemy) >> Death
Death Vs Undead(enemy) >> Full Restoration
Poison Vs Living(enemy) >> Life Degeneration
Poison Vs Undead(enemy) >> ????

With 'undead' status:
Blood Sword Vs Living >> ????
Blood Sword Vs Undead >> ????
Death Vs Yourself >> Death(correct?)
Poison Vs Yourself >> ????

Can you guys understand that? I'll edit our list as we gather more information, or should I say as Cobain gathers it. ^.^

[Angel of Death]

Aaahhhh... that's the thing. I've never tried death on an undead. Good to know. But, I would think poison to an undead would still hurt them, UNLESS they absorb it. This thread is so ****in confusing.

[Omega]

Ok Marilyn Manson here is some more info, and please label the sides of the chart so we know for sure as to who is the enemy and who is the character. People playing FFV in the near future could use this information. Mind you that these theories are tested and proven, it is factual information.

Ok equipping the Blood Sword and Bonemail at the same time in NO WAY raises the damage quotient. It does the same regardless if the Bonemail is equipped or not.

If you attack an Undead enemy with the Blood Sword and Bonemail equipped, the Undead enemy will get the HP from the Drain effect. Therefore telling us that its the target in question and not the source.

This is the oddest shit in the world, if you are wearing the Bonemail and cast Bio on your character, it will heal that character. However it ironically poisons them with gradual poison and it cannot be cured with an Antidote or spell.

If you cast the spell Doom on a character equipped with the Bonemail it will completely refill there HP. However if you cast Doom on the character equipped with the Bonemail, and that character is KO'd, than the spell will auto retarget and kill one of your other characters with the Doom spell.

Scrap that other chart. Here's a new list completly, the other one only made sense in my head.

With Bonemail equipped;
-Blood sword will have the same effects as it normally does;
-->Healing undead enemies and damaging yourself
-->Damaging living enemies and healing yourself
-If you cast Death on yourself while still alive it restores HP comletely
-If you cast Death on yourself while knocked out, it re-targets another party member, killing them
-If you cast Bio on yourself, you will absorb initial damage(healing yourself) but your health will still degenerage as you are poisoned
-->Once poisoned, status cannot be removed until the end of battle
-!Critt healing abilities will still damage you as you are undead

This being said there is no way to actually revive a character with the bonemail equipped but there are multiple ways to restore thier HP, all of them having slight drawbacks. Kudos Cobain!

White wind can heal the undead.

[awall]

Aww, AoGD beat me to the punch. Serves me right for being away for several months... ohwell.

Ways to get around the healing restriction on BoneMail:
- As AoGD said, WhiteWind ignores undead status.
- Being targeted with Drain (or any similar effects) will heal you. Unfortunately, this is a bit inefficient, as the only way to reliably do this is to have another character cast Drain, and that character had better have HP he's willing to donate.
- Casting Drain (or any similar effect), on the other hand, works fine.
- Getting hit with poison-elemental attacks heals you. Bio is nice for this, but being undead does NOT, unfortunately, render you immune to the HP-leak effect that Bio causes. This means that Bio is only really useful if you need the HP NOW.
- Equipping a Flame Shield and getting hit with a fire-elemental attack heals you. Same goes for Ice Shields, Flame/Tidal Rings, and any other elemental-absorbing equipment. (Unlike the above, I haven't actually tested this, but I believe it works.)

Easiest strategy? Give Bone Mail to your Blue Mage. This gives you access to WhiteWind and BloodSuck, as well as Emission if you've got a Flame Shield. Dragon Sword (or whatever the Lancer ability that drains HP and MP is called) also keeps your HP pretty full, as does the Magic Knight's Drain Sword, and coincidently both Dragoons and Magic Knights can equip the Bonemail. Useful piece of equipment, I'd say.